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Hmmm...Wrap your brain around this one. I have another point that will lead to why the Forerunner(s) were AI and not biological. The flood are able to assimilate any living thing they come in contact with right? You see a bunch of Convenant and Human flood in the game along with the original carriers...those little onion dudes...but no trace of any other type of Flood. Well..besides the weird pulsating trees in the 343GS level that I assume were infected by the Flood virus for some experimental reasons or maybe just a containment error. What I'm saying here is that the Flood's food source was not cut off for some reasons. Maybe the forerunners where still on HALO at the time of the events in the game, but were able to hide themselves because they have an advanced AI on their side like Cortana to block any info of them from the MC and Keyes. Do you think that maybe Dr Halsley could be working in conjunction with the Forerunner AI. Also, MC knows how to operate HALO because he has Cortana in his head. It even stated in the books that he could feel her taking over when she was plugged in. They were one. Take a look at this too:

I was thinking...Cortana says that the forerunner called Halo a Fortress world. Well, maybe the forerunner existed in a time of war (kinda like the 17-1800's) and built Halo like a castle. Think about it, with the extreme landscapes (Desert, Ice Covered Wasteland, and Cliffs hundreds of feet high) it would be extremely difficult to capture it. Not to mention the underground passages, where you could hold out for years. This could explain the flood and Halo's "Final" Weapon. The flood could be used in controlled amounts (kinda like backburning when people are trying to put out a forest fire) against invaders (which would explain why their survival as a race was dependant on studying and containing the flood"...they could have had to keep studying the flood to find ways to improve them as enemy forces found ways to kill them...and if the invaders were about to capture the ring, they could activate Halo...as if to say "congratulations, you've defeated us...now say goodbye to the galaxy"

  • 04.19.2004 12:28 PM PDT
Subject: Are the Forerunners extinct?
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Posted by: Banshee Barron
Posted by: Sweet Oblivion
I like the Time travel idea actualy.


You mean my idea. I thought up the time travel thing and posted it on these forums days ago. I'm going to read through this monster of a thread, and if I find out someone else took the credit for my theory, I'm going to be pissed.


Shut the hell up Barron bum. The time travel idea is your daddy you ninny. Its been around before you were born. If you have ever been to the HBO site and read the stuff there about the foreunners, you'd see a lot of time travel talk. Its not your original idea. who knows whos original idea it was. If it actually is in the halo storyline then we could then prove it was someone's original idea... THE WRITERS WHO WROTE HALO YOU MORRON!

  • 04.19.2004 12:30 PM PDT
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I have read quite a few posts suggesting that Humans or Covenant would not have built Halo because it would destroy them. However, there are times in real life where people have to make difficult decisions about sacrifice for the greater good e.g. shooting a plane down with 100 people on board to avert 1000 deaths. This could be such an instance for Halo, wiping out 20 light years of sentient life to protect the rest of the Galaxy is worth the bloodshed.
The Flood is basically a virus or infection that seeks out sentient life forms to control as they do not seem to have a physical presence of their own. Obviously the Forerunners (who ever they may be) wanted to study them just as humans have a fascination for studing potential life ending things e.g. small poxs, nerve agents, etc. The only way the Forerunners could ensure that they took the Flood out completely was by studying them to find the antidote. This has not happened and the activation of Halo doesn't even destroy them as it merely destroys their food. The fact that MC has destroyed Halo probably means that the Flood will end up spreading across the Galaxy again.
Sorry this is a bit confusing i just don't really know where to start....or end!
One more thing, has anybody read Ringworld by Larry Niven as this is about a RingWorld (no, really!) very much like Halo with strange structures and suggestions of Forerunners! Very good read.

  • 04.19.2004 12:30 PM PDT
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Easy bro, relax!

Perhaps it will end with cortana being MC bigest nemmesis.perhaps she will come in contact with the forerunners in the twelth hour.saving them from cortanas basket of mixed feelings.ooooh

  • 04.19.2004 12:31 PM PDT
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ever wonder why the installation in the game is referred to by GS as HALO 04? Hmmm.....

  • 04.19.2004 12:36 PM PDT
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Easy bro, relax!

Old news if you read the previouse posts.

  • 04.19.2004 12:37 PM PDT
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Cortanna being linked with the Forerunners, quite a crazy idea (unless you are talking about the Forerunners and Humans being linked) as she was constructed by Doc Halsey, the same person who helped create the Spartans.
When Cortanna infiltrates the Covenant ship and says she feels like she recognises the AI (or whatever she says) it is probably because the Covenant have stolen it from Humans (I know they will not use Human tech but you never know). Another theory is that massively advanced AI would eventually reach a point where there collide, by that i mean that the AI's, however differently they started out would expand and grow in the best possible way and ultimatley be the same! Anyone agree?

  • 04.19.2004 12:39 PM PDT
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Last couple of post are very interesting. Baggy shorts and solja you make exxcellent points. humans have made weapons that could destroy the earth in attemps to avert destruction. Its a defense of you attack me I'll destroy us both. The idea of a halo ring and why it would be built could be very similar to these ideas.

  • 04.19.2004 12:40 PM PDT
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I think that the forerunners were created as some form of experiment to make the perfect biological being and that the infection process was just a way of spreading the "perfection" then the Forerunners where overwhelmed by their creations and most got turned in to flood. then the Forerunners sealed the flood away and died out. it's a long shot but it's what i think.

at the end of Halo 343 doesn't say "human history it's called i believe" it says "human history is it fascinating"

Einstein had one half of his brain larger than normal

  • 04.19.2004 12:41 PM PDT
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Oh...here's another one for ya: Have you ever noticed that the images/symbols on the various covenant vehicles and armor bear striking resemblance to those found in the various installations in HALO? Could the covies be in direct decendance (<---did I spell that right) to the forerunners? Or could the covenant have maybe built the Forerunner AI, left it on HALO to "monitor' the Flood and came back to contain the Flood outbreak that slipped past their off-line AI? I like what was posted before.....there's more to that little Cortana then we know about.

  • 04.19.2004 12:43 PM PDT

Shut the hell up Barron bum. The time travel idea is your daddy you ninny. Its been around before you were born. If you have ever been to the HBO site and read the stuff there about the foreunners, you'd see a lot of time travel talk. Its not your original idea. who knows whos original idea it was. If it actually is in the halo storyline then we could then prove it was someone's original idea... THE WRITERS WHO WROTE HALO YOU MORRON!

I wrote this three months ago, and posted it three days ago. Read it before you explode.

Well, I had this idea. We all see how Guilty Spark seems to know the Master Chief, and also acts like he has activated halo in the past and wiped out the galaxy. So I began to wonder, if for whatever the reason in Halo 2 Master Chief is forced to go back in time and destroy the galaxy in the past, meeting Guilty Spark explaining why he already knew Master Cheif in halo, and why he thinks MC has done this before. He might also be the one to restart the Forerunner, or actually save some d.n.a for them to start over as a "NEW" race. There is one catch, this would only work if the humans are the forerunner. (And in my opinion they are.) And for some unknown reason he would have to save the Covenant from halo as well. But why would he do something that seems stupid like that? This also explains why Guilty Spark calls him "The Reclaimer" because he reclaimed all of the races from the infestation of the flood. All of this kind of' might seem a little strange at first, but it does fill in some holes......

And no, Tartarus, I read through this thread and I found that no one took my idea. I read every HBO theory I can find, my friend. And I've bee alive before Halo was even invented, I'm afraid. You should be more carefull who you flame next time. If you were so eager to flame me for such a stupid reason, I wouldn't be surprised that next time you get into something way over your head.

Hold on,

If it actually is in the halo storyline then we could then prove it was someone's original idea... THE WRITERS WHO WROTE HALO YOU MORRON

That makes no sense. Explain.

Oh, respond next time without cuss words and profanity, please. A touch of grammar wouldn’t hurt either.

  • 04.19.2004 12:46 PM PDT
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Easy bro, relax!

so if four of these are placed around the galaxy its for control.its for* controlling the flood.why? because their a threat! To who? probably not the fore runners( any moore at least because it dosent seem like anyone can find them).in that case the humans or the covi would have to bring the flood to the forerunners.not likely.so the protection is for all OTHER sentient life.theive let the halos stay functional out of good will.but now the flood is PROBABLY loose and GS is in hot prosuit.maybe for the best.

  • 04.19.2004 12:46 PM PDT
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Hey congrats to tartarus on having the most popular thread!! YEA this has nothing to do with the Forerunners but congrats to u and lets keep this thing going!

  • 04.19.2004 12:51 PM PDT
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Go banshee it's your birthday.
Oh yea it's nice to read from a familiear people to banshee. There are either a lot of new people or they have been holiday. Whoa scary.

  • 04.19.2004 12:53 PM PDT
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The forrunners for all we know could be humans. If you read the books for Halo, or if u even pay attention in the game, On 343 guilty spark spark calls the master chief, "reclaimer". Nobody ever said that the forrunners are dead, nobody said they weren't humans or covenant. All we know is that they built Halo and the covies would die for them.

  • 04.19.2004 12:55 PM PDT
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Could their be 4 HALOs to 'destroy' the Flood, or could their be 4 HALOs so that the Forerunners could distribute them throughout the galaxy more easily? Maybe study different strains of Flood found or manufactured in different regions of the galaxies never-ending expanse.

And now for someting completely different:

343 Guilty Spark seems surprised that the ballistics-type human weapons (most noteably the shotgun) are so effective against the Flood. Someone else noted that the Energy-beam weapons used by the sentinels are excellent against the small spores of the flood, but very weak against the mature Flood warriors. This perhaps indicates that the biological lifeforms 343 GS talks about were never intended to be on HALO. Since this intallation was a research facility, as well as a weapon, this brings back my argument that perhaps the Forerunner were not biological lifeforms, and therefore had not anticipated needing a defense mechanism to destroy mutated Flood forms

  • 04.19.2004 12:56 PM PDT
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Master Chief is somehow connected with the forerunners. Perhaps Master Chief is a forerunner in blood. In the Halo books when MC comes across a light panal, it says he has an odd feeling of rememberance, and somehow know what to do.

  • 04.19.2004 1:01 PM PDT
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This one goes out to Banshee Barron. I like your idea about Master Chief going back in time to destroy Halo or whatever it said but how can the MC destroy the universe??? There would then be no Halo or anything we know of about Halo today. I just dont really get what your trying to say.

  • 04.19.2004 1:02 PM PDT
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who ever said there where only 4 halos just cos the one MC is on is number 4.

  • 04.19.2004 1:05 PM PDT
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if you ever read the halo book like a true fan they state indirectly that the forerunners were humans. The moniter says "i am glad to see some of the forerunners are still alive"

  • 04.19.2004 1:09 PM PDT
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He says that in the book? i don't remember. Btw i am a fan so don't go round insulting people on these forums

  • 04.19.2004 1:12 PM PDT
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Easy bro, relax!

answering baggyshortsman.Like becoming perfect, yes.

[Edited on 4/19/2004 1:13:00 PM]

  • 04.19.2004 1:12 PM PDT
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There may be more...good point m'friend. Any thoughts on it? Think about this one:

We can tell by 343GS's behavior in relation to the flood's outbreak that the Forerunner have (or had) very different views on the disaster. While humans and covenant panicked and treated the situation as one of the direst of emergencies, 343 simply followed protocol and lead MC to the solution. I don't believe that a species that feared for its own existence would create an AI that could act in such a leisurely manner during this emergency, nor do I think that they would be willing to construct a weapon that would wipe themselves out in order to control a single outbreak (In quoting 343, "...this galaxy will be quite devoid of life, or at least any life with sufficient biomass to sustain the flood...") thus, I believe that the Forerunner: A.) Dwell outside of our galaxy, where they would not be vulnerable to their own "security mechanism" B.) The Forerunners are Ai that do not interest the Flood are thus impervious to Halo's mechanism. which is why they were able to so easily study them and, through their studies, discovered the threats that a massive outbreak could pose. But this theory can easily be struck down by observing the Forerunner architecture. Why would AI need hallways and doors? Maybe for transport vehicles to move the Flood? Or maybe, just maybe, the Forerunners were working in conjunction with the Convenant.
Please post some thoughts.

  • 04.19.2004 1:14 PM PDT
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Atomisk....how do you know that the 343GS is not talking about Cortana? Hmmm...

  • 04.19.2004 1:15 PM PDT
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Guilty spark is an ai that has been left alone for thousands of year, he may have therfore suffered some degrading of his system that makes him very matter of fact, and he is a tool to the forunner. theoreticlly you wouldn't want your toster deciding that its not a good idea to toast your bread if you get what i mean.

  • 04.19.2004 1:21 PM PDT