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sorry for the really bad spelling in that post

  • 04.19.2004 1:26 PM PDT
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Did some research on what I was talking about and found some interesting facts that pointed to what 343GS says about when the Halos are fired, "this galaxy will be quite devoid of life." Why the use of the word 'this'? Why not just say 'the galaxy'? It seems to me that if GS thinks MC is a Forerunner, then the word 'this' has great significance. To anyone else, once could just say 'the galaxy', because there would be no confusion regarding which galaxy one was talking about. Therefore, it seems likely that the Forerunner are not native to this galaxy, but came here in trying to escape the Flood. It is not a stretch, considering the technology of the Forerunner, that they may be capable of inter-galactic travel. So, perhaps while other galaxies were being overrun they sent a group to this galaxy to begin the construction of Halos, as I will now elaborate upon. This would go along quite well with the Flood not originally being a part of Halo. (The facility, Library, whatever, not Halo itself, is spoken of as being built to study the Flood.) Therefore, after the completion of Halo, structures were built to study the Flood, perhaps after the Halos were fired. But more about that later. Why is Halo a Fortress world? When GS is talking to MC, he mentions the firing of Halo rather casually, as if it will have no immediate effects on MC. This is important, and why Halo would be a Fortress world. The simple conclusion is that the effects of the firing of Halo do not affect the Halos themselves! Perhaps that is the purpose of the mysterious blue beams...who knows. The point is that the Halos are fortress worlds because they are the only safe place for the Forerunner to be when the Halos are fired. Having said all that, here is the scenario that I find most likely. The Flood is probably some naturally occurring parasite that came into contact with the Forerunner in some other galaxy. To avoid being completely destroyed, some Forerunner came to this galaxy to construct the Halos. Having done this, eventually the Flood caught up with them. Therefore, the Forerunners fired the Halos, wiping this galaxy clean, destroying the Flood, although perhaps they still remain in other galaxies, but without a way of leaving those galaxies now. That doesn't matter. What matters is that now this galaxy is free from the Flood. The Forerunner, with such a reprieve, decide to capture some of the Flood before they all die so they can study them to find a different way of killing them, or, perhaps, to find a way to use them for their own ends. Who knows? With this complete, the Forerunner civilization advances, populations grow, and eventually colonization begins to happen. However, after the firing of the Halos, there are only a few planets that haven't been ecologically devastated- and these happen to be Earth and the Covenant homeworld. A lot can happen in 100,000 years.

  • 04.19.2004 1:29 PM PDT
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Your attention to the word 'this' surprises me but i understand your point about the Forerunners not being native, why would you build halos to destroy the galaxy that you live in.

  • 04.19.2004 1:34 PM PDT
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Banshee Barron, If you think ninny, hell and morron are profanities then you are even more nieve than I thought:

Oh, respond next time without cuss words and profanity, please. A touch of grammar wouldnt hurt either.

As far as the time thing I can't locate it again at HBO. I know its an old theory, but I simply don't have the time to reread all the info there. The mention of it was in relation to the crytal found on Reach. This is why I can prove the time theory is definately not your very own original idea. In fact if you read First Strike, its a pretty obvious that the forerunners had time travel capabilities. Once the Doctor and the Spartans found the forerunner crystal on Reach (it bent time and space), there were time anamolies from there on out. The time line completely disappeared. We all read and observed that with the crystal, slip space travel took less time and covered more distances.

Now you are probably wondering whats my point? Well, this is where I teach you a lesson. Why couldn't you use the crytal in the opposite way? Instead of bending space and therefore defeating time in terms of travel length, couldn't you stay in the one place and bend time? this would alow you to go into the future of back into the past.

So what did I mean by this:
If it actually is in the halo storyline then we could then prove it was someone's original idea... THE WRITERS WHO WROTE HALO YOU MORRON

It should be obvious to you now, because the writters of the Halo story made it obvious. Teh forerunners have time travel capabities.

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And I've bee alive before Halo was even invented, I'm afraid.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. make sure you check your grammer and spelling as well. If you are still having troublr with my writting style, wait until you read at the college level. then you'll be able to understand me better (I think you are a pretty smart guy so I'll assume you will be attending someday).





If you haven't noticed, i started this thread. I have been watching it very close, You may also notice it has over 400 post to it. Oviously the forerunners are a very popular subject concerning Halo.

  • 04.19.2004 2:01 PM PDT
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alot of these posts make since but it still will be unknown until either halo 2 tell us different or bungie.net decides to before or after halo 2.

  • 04.19.2004 2:01 PM PDT
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Unless...you yourself were imune to the effects of HALO and had a lifespan of a few million years where as you could watch the evolution of a new galaxy that you created and it wouldn't be that big a deal to you.

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Good point :)

I think the Forerunners are exactly like the Xel Naga in starcraft: An ancien race that created/helped evolve the flood, the flood then destroyed the forerunners world. The forerunners just had the time to build some countermeasure. Maybe they sacrificed themself to kill their "creation"(or maybe they didnt had time to use the halos).

I doubt any forerunners are left in this galaxy. The covenant sure stole all their technologies but didnt know about all the forerunners secrets.

Seeing an alliance between the human and the covenant is a good idea but I doubt Earth would ally(its got almost completly invaded by the covenant).

Anyway, Halo and Starcraft are based on movies like Alien and serie like Starship Trooper.

  • 04.19.2004 2:04 PM PDT
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You talk about the Covenant stealing the Forerunners technologies huh? Wrap your brain around this one. I believe that the Forerunners are a for of advanced AI. In the game and in the books, the Covenant are referred to as being able to adapt to any technology and environment that they come in contact with. Sound familiar. Do you think that maybe...and this is a long shot....that the Covenant could be a highly evolved for of Flood that have advanced so much that they have gone from assimilating bodily characteristics like a virus, but instead, they adapt to different technologies instead? Maybe the Covenant are trying to get back to their creators...the Forerunners....to find out about their past or to get some secret technology from their past. The only thing is...is why do the Convenant absolutely detest the Human race?

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thanks Mikey. I just asked a "loaded" question that had a possibility of answers. Its everyone else that has made this thread what it is. The fact is that the forerunner debate is an old and ongoing one. It saddens me to see people come on and not know the past of earlier speculation about the forerunner. They try to claim old ideas as their own and inevitably we really make no progress in trying to open new doors. these ideas are a collective effort. they build upon each other.

It just goes to show though (in regards to the length of the thread) how much mystery and interest follows the halo story line.

[Edited on 4/19/2004 2:14:49 PM]

  • 04.19.2004 2:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: solja637
The only thing is...is why do the Convenant absolutely detest the Human race?


We were talking about this earlier. I theorized that the Covies detest the humans because it is the will of the prophets. The prophets control all of the covie society. they have the power because they hold all of the knowledge about their religion. their religion centers around the forerunners. It is also obvious at this point that the human race has a connection to the forerunners. If covie society found out that the humans had a direct connection, they would then gain more power over the prophets. The only way for the prophets to keep their power is to keep their secrets secret and wipe out all proof that reveled their secrets... the humans.

  • 04.19.2004 2:23 PM PDT
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Have you ever stopped to think that maybe all the possible answers have been presented and that we have discovered the correct one? So many make sense that it is maddening. So manya re such non-sense that I want to slap some people around sometime. What I believe the really cool thing about this is, there are some people from Bungie that are probably reading this and seeing how much their work has affected each and every one of us. I'd like to thank the men and women at Bungie for making such a story for a game and really feeding the need of the mature gamer. There are companies out there that find it necessary to program and package absolute -blam!- and think that the 20+ croud is just going to bite. Bungie sees that we have been playing for most of out lives and we need more than just a simple 'the galaxy is in trouble now smash your buttons as hard as you can to the beat of some purdy graphics and see a cool ending cinematic' so-called game. We need to have a game that gives us a reason to sit here and discuss it as a community and really become part of a culture that really takes this art seriously. Ichallenge you to find a more dedicated fan-based site than HBO, or even to find a more dedicated group of individuals such as Bungie is to their fans. They know what we expect and they DELIVER!!! Thank-you again for everything you do for our gaming needs!

  • 04.19.2004 2:29 PM PDT
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SOunds to me kinda like the state of the USA today. Hell...the state of the world today. Kinda what the public doesn't know can't hurt them and let's play them like pawn in our game. So you do believe that the humans are direct decendants of the Forerunners huh? If this is so, then why did we not have any previous knowledge to the existance of HALO. Or did we? Was Keyes landing on HALO and acident as the books stated, or did he land there to intercept the Covenant and stop them from learning too much about the forerunners. Was his plan all along to wipe out that armada of COvenant by destroying that HALO to halt them in their quest of Forerunner information?

  • 04.19.2004 2:35 PM PDT
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solja637,

you have some really good points and have contributed a lot to this thread. I can appreciate that as well as everyone else, Im sure. But do you think you could shorten your post? They are a little too long and they kinda ramble on sometimes. Try to keep it to the point and maybe only one or two points per post. It will make it a little easier. Thanks man.

  • 04.19.2004 2:45 PM PDT
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here is an idea I had in another thread:

Humans could be the forerunners. Here is my theory that "could" work:

Forerunners had time travel capabilites. The proof is the crystal found on Reach. Now what if the humans use the crystal to go back in time far beyond the appearence of humans on earth. They then continue to improve their technology more and more until they reach the level of the forerunners. they create all this stuff we know as forerunner, including the halo ring for whatever reasons. Then, something happens and all the humans from the future (that are in the past) disappear. Time then passes on and humans evolve from apes again and so on and so on until the time of the master cheif comes along. The crystal is found and time repeats itself all over again.

So yes, humans could be the forerunners.

  • 04.19.2004 2:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Tartarus
Banshee Barron, If you think ninny, hell and morron are profanities then you are even more nieve than I thought:

Oh, respond next time without cuss words and profanity, please. A touch of grammar wouldnt hurt either.

As far as the time thing I can't locate it again at HBO. I know its an old theory, but I simply don't have the time to reread all the info there. The mention of it was in relation to the crytal found on Reach. This is why I can prove the time theory is definately not your very own original idea. In fact if you read First Strike, its a pretty obvious that the forerunners had time travel capabilities. Once the Doctor and the Spartans found the forerunner crystal on Reach (it bent time and space), there were time anamolies from there on out. The time line completely disappeared. We all read and observed that with the crystal, slip space travel took less time and covered more distances.

Now you are probably wondering whats my point? Well, this is where I teach you a lesson. Why couldn't you use the crytal in the opposite way? Instead of bending space and therefore defeating time in terms of travel length, couldn't you stay in the one place and bend time? this would alow you to go into the future of back into the past.

So what did I mean by this:
If it actually is in the halo storyline then we could then prove it was someone's original idea... THE WRITERS WHO WROTE HALO YOU MORRON

It should be obvious to you now, because the writters of the Halo story made it obvious. Teh forerunners have time travel capabities.

One more thing,
And I've bee alive before Halo was even invented, I'm afraid.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. make sure you check your grammer and spelling as well. If you are still having troublr with my writting style, wait until you read at the college level. then you'll be able to understand me better (I think you are a pretty smart guy so I'll assume you will be attending someday).





If you haven't noticed, i started this thread. I have been watching it very close, You may also notice it has over 400 post to it. Oviously the forerunners are a very popular subject concerning Halo.


Understood, my friend. In one of my other posts I was merely stating that I wold be very angry if someone had stolen my theory that I had posted days ago. I was met with a very harsh response from you- for almost no apparent reason. For you to explode for such a simple thing angered me.

But, alas, you did a much better job of making your point this time. Dare I say, you did it much better than anyone else I''ve seen on this new forum. And believe me, I have seen many, on this forum, and the one before. If you get to know me, you'll see that I fight for what I believe is right, and if I make a wrong decision- I'm not to arrogant to deny it. And if I loose an argument, I admit defeat.



So, for lack of better words, congratulations. I hope you stay at this forum for awhile- it needs more people like you.

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While the covenant maybe a strange group of fellows the flood are like bad-ass-mutant marshmallows

Halo not just a game but a way of life

well acording to bungie they are an acient alien race. my guess is , they are dead, all of em.

  • 04.19.2004 3:20 PM PDT
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Banshee Barron,

OK. We are friends. I'm also sorry I called you a morron. It was just that it was a little upsetting to me because you came off so selfish about the time travel idea. Honestly I've heard it before. that doesn't matter though. all of these ideas are built upon one another and when it comes down to it, its all speculation. that is, we won't know anything until they our ideas are truely answered (with future halo releases) as right or wrong . If they are wrong, then the ideas will be forgotten and won't matter. If they are right, then the only people that can take true credit for them are the original creator(s) of the halo story. You just can't take credit for anything as it is a collective process that we are going through here in this thread.

  • 04.19.2004 3:31 PM PDT
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I thought I'd show you guys one of my posts from another thread. Heh, tell me what you guys think. The post was in reply to someone saying that they strongly believe we'll meet the Forerunners in Halo 2. It has to do with Forerunners being Humans, but I'm not saying that's exactly what we'll find out in Halo 2. The Forerunners could just be another alien race for all I know. But this how I kind of picture Halo 2 being:
Indeed, or at least what's left of them. Starship graveyard anyone? (Perhaps a few Forerunner skeletal remains inside the ships....) Heh, I just thought of something, imagine a dramatic cutscene where the Masterchief enters one of the ships. He picks up one of the Forerunner skulls, and.... well I'll be damned.... it's a human skull.... Does that smell like a plot twist to you? Heh heh.

  • 04.19.2004 4:49 PM PDT
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u should be a writer

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Posted by: piko8o8
u should be a writer

Heh, why thank you. I'll take that as a compliment.

  • 04.19.2004 4:55 PM PDT
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what would be even creepier is if when the skull was picked up and the cheif looked at it, it strongly resembled a human skull, but was slightly different. It was like a human cousin species. ohhhhh *craps pants*

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I believe that humans are the descendents of the Forunners. Theres lots of theoretical evidence that I'm not going to go into right now. lol, I hope they'd be on our side...but as stated by another member, Bungie likes to put us in tough spots and its doubtful that they will stop anytime soon. ;)

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If the humans are the forerunners, then we must of been like the dog is to a human. Us the dog and the forerunners the human. They left nor wiped themselves out or some crap like that and we took over . Or we may have been a species created to keep the forerunners alive. Maybe the flood was killing them or something so they made another race. The forerunners do have the ability to create and end races.(i read somewhere) m I am just making up theories as I type so they probobaly aren't too bright.
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u should be a writer

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I could broaden that cutscene for you guys. I could picture a desolate wasteland much like the Pillar of Autumn's crashsite in the level the Maw. There would be numerous battlescarred ships and some of them would have half of their hulls missing. Some ships would be battle-ridden and so old where you could see the skeletal structure of the ships and everything just rotting away. Dramatic Halo music would be playing. The planet's star is just above the horizon, in an afternoon setting. Master Chief is alone, walking through this barren wasteland, the only footsteps visible are those which he just marked with his boots on the sand dunes.... Ancient battle armor is rusting in the afternoon sun. The Chief walks up inside one of these ships, and there ahead, lies what seems to be the bridge of this ancient space vessel, the crew still manning their positions. He walks closer to one of crew's remains, examines his skull, and a chill runs down his spine as he notices that the bones almost look human...

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Posted by: masterchief65
If the humans are the forerunners, then we must of been like the dog is to a human. Us the dog and the forerunners the human. They left nor wiped themselves out or some crap like that and we took over . Or we may have been a species created to keep the forerunners alive. Maybe the flood was killing them or something so they made another race. The forerunners do have the ability to create and end races.(i read somewhere) m I am just making up theories as I type so they probobaly aren't too bright.
Posted by: piko8o8
u should be a writer


Wow! that an interesting analogy. so like if i died right now my dog would take over for me. He would watch my TV, pay my bills and even post to this forum. Wow! really good, but that Xbox controller ain't going to fit in is paws too well

  • 04.19.2004 5:16 PM PDT