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Subject: Are the Forerunners extinct?
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You guys just love to rain on our parade huh. I'm also pretty sure that they aren't comming abck, but still. Just passing time between each screen shot and the actual release day.(whenever that may be)

  • 04.17.2004 1:59 AM PDT
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yea really i think thats kinda off about the halo rings being sent back in time......i got very confused when cortana was talkin about the forrunners and i was still confused about them after playing it for the 20th time!!!!! so they have to come back in H2!

  • 04.17.2004 2:26 AM PDT

everyone keps saying that maybe the forerunners are ancient humans or humans from the future. has anyone considered the fact that the forerunners might be an ancient race of covies. has anyone else noticed how similar the architecture of halo and the T&R is?

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  • 04.17.2004 2:50 AM PDT
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Yes, but that could be explained by the nature of the covies... After the covenant attack a race they take everything that is useful and use it in their society. Anythig they can't use they destroy. But still it's all a possibility.

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I believe that the forerunners were human. Here's the reasons, and i'll be using examples and references from the first game and the books, so spoiler warning if you haven't read them. Oh, and it's kinda long. Sorry.

Let's see, 343 Guilty Spark calls the Master Chief "Reclaimer" as if it KNOWS him, or at least beings like him, from experience.
343 is "the monitor of installation 04" right? So there must be AT LEAST 3 other forerunner installations out there. Plus 343 also says "Technically, this installation's pulse has a maximum effective radius of 25,000 light years. But, once the others follow suit, this galaxy will be quite devoid of life." Others? So logically, there must be a ring world spaced roughly every 15-20,000 light years in every direction from Halo, to ensure even coverage of the galaxy and ensure that there is no food (read:life) left for the flood.
BUT, the forerunners would like to exempt themselves from destruction, surely. When you put circles together on a map, you get gaps. So by putting some rings in the 'wrong' place, they could create a gap to spare earth from totally being wiped out.
But they'd want to let the flood die first, so they create a primitive colony in a 'Halo hole' on earth, activate the halo NETWORK, which is what it would have to be to cover the ENTIRE galaxy, in full knowledge that by the time we crawl back into space, the flood will be dead, all bar the ones kept in containment on the halos for study.
Hence 343 says "Why would you hesitate to do that which you have already done?" not only that, but in the books, several references are made to John-117 recognising the forerunner writing, but what he can't put his finger on is from where. Maybe a sufficiently advanced race could use a language based not on letters but on instinct, or one that speaks directly to the brain, or something like that. It would certainly be faster.
Also, Cortana "cracks the code" on the stone the brutes were looking at on Sigma Octanus IV, and uses the co-ordinates as references for the jump made while initiating the Cole Protocol at the end of the Reach conflict. These lead STRAIGHT to Halo, also, accidentally, leading the faster covenant ships there. The Covenant, being faster, get there first, and we all know what happens from there. More of these artifacts are later found on Reach, with strong hints that there are more, possibly on Earth, the worlds WE are most likely to reach, and therefore to explore fully, find these artifacts, and 'get back on our feet' as soon as possible, to give us a helping hand as it were, back to our former level of sophistication. (soffish-tication? ;) )

I could keep going, but I know you're all sick of reading by now, so i'll let someone else take over. Sorry bout the big post.

  • 04.17.2004 5:50 AM PDT
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Well, I don't have much to say about that, but it sounds great. I wish there was a way to get the answers to our questions, because this is the biggest one I have.

  • 04.17.2004 8:55 PM PDT
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the forerunners arent extinct, they are alive and well, and i have two theories about them myself, my frist i more believable, i think that the forerunners are humans, and i have evidence to support my idea. In the maw(last level of halo) guilty spark says so akward things when he is going through the colections of data on boardt he poa. he says
"all our lost history, human history its called i believe"
now guilty spark is forerunner made, which means when he says our history he is refuring to forerunners. now i bleieve that the reason we dont know we are the forerunners are that the halos had be set off before, destroying all intelligent life and only a few humans survived living on earth. the covenant have a much better understanding of the forerunner then the humans so they know that the humans are the forerunner and are afraid that we might relize this, so they decide to kill us all because they are afraid of our potential.
my second theory is that they forerunners are just watching the humans and covies killing eachother and that it is some sort of sick game of theirs and they set us against eachother.

  • 04.17.2004 9:37 PM PDT
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Yo wat up i started dis thread. All this discussion is good.

Let me propose this: We know from the crytal that the spartans and the doctor found that the forerunners were heavially involved with slip stream space. When the halo rings are activated do they kill things in slip stream space? Perhaps the forerunners are now living/hidding in slip stream space. Or, perhaps human ancestors lived because they were protected in slip stream space, yet something went wrong and they lost all their technology and had to start over on earth. No matter what there is a connection between humans and the forerunners. Guilty Spark was very interested in "our" lost history as stated by an earlier post.

What i don't think is that the covies were the forerunners. The only thing that I believe is that they have assimilated the forerunner tecnology into their own. Their religion allso focuses on the forerunners as gods. Perhaps because of the tech that they supply to the covies? I think the prophets know about the forerunner connection to humans and do not want their subjects to know about it as it will lessen their power. If the humans have a direct connection then think about it. The prophets would have to answer to them, thus tearing down the covie social order.

  • 04.17.2004 9:57 PM PDT
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i think your right, they prophets do know whats up, they know hte most about the forerunners because they came from a planet that once had forerunners one it or at least i read that they did somewhere i dont remember, but the prophets know whats up and that is why bungie has left them as mysterious as the forerunners themselfs

  • 04.17.2004 10:03 PM PDT
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i dunno bout the forrunners that much, seems as if they have an important role. oh well...juz another evil guy wanna-be gettin their butts kicked all across da galaxy by MC.

  • 04.17.2004 10:06 PM PDT
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Its kinda like the whole planet of the apes scenario where the Dr. Zeus knew that the apes all came from humans but didn't tell anyone because it would destroy their society. He wanted them destroyed and wiped out to protect his secret just like the prophets want humans wiped out. If humans have a special connection to the forerunners then they are truely holier than any other covies including the prophets.

This is interesting though if it is true that the prophets hail from an ancient forerunner world.... let me speculate. Lets say that the humans are the long lost forerunners. We can also conclude that the forerunners developed species with the proof of the flood. Then what if I said that the forerunners developed all races in the universe and all covie races are the children of humans?

  • 04.17.2004 10:11 PM PDT
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that would be some good speculation, cuz i mean why else would the forerunner keep the flood alive inless to use them for good, there are all sorts of things that could have happend to the forerunner, but i think they are human, specially the entire guilty spark acting like her new the master cheif, damn it why does teh master chief have to be so burly, even is voice is burly,i wonder if there will be more spartans in halo 2, cuz the books did sya that mendez was going to train more spartans, and it takes 8 years to train them, so that mean theere could be atleast 3 more groups of them ready, man that would be awsome


i liked your use of planet of the apes even though i hated the movie, it could be right, do you have any ideas on what they were talkinga bout in the end of first strike when the prophets were talking about their great journey or something????

  • 04.17.2004 10:47 PM PDT
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also have you noticed that the size of all the covies heads are relativly small compared to their bodies, which would mean that their brains are small, which means they arent smart, so how come they are like smart. lol
i think that some of the smart life could be forerunner children, cuz the brutes are primates, and the grunts are so darn cute, but i dont knwo about the rest of htem, cuz they are -blam!-ing ugly
wait did you say the forerunner developed the flood? i thought that they found them or something
this will be my last post for the night, im sleepy so till tomorrow

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  • 04.17.2004 10:51 PM PDT
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Why keep the flood alive for any reason unless the flood posed no threat to the forerunners. Perhaps the forerunner form isn't infectable. Perhaps the onlty threat was to their other forms of life they had created in the universe.

as far as the journey, maybe they need a crystal or amount of crystals for a long and distant slip space tripso that will let them come into contact with the forerunners who actually aren't humans. Perhaps the other rings are really far away. It could be anything.

Also are you talking about the newest planet of the apes or the old and very first planet of the apes?

  • 04.17.2004 10:56 PM PDT
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in science the intelligence factor isn't detirmined by brain size neccessarily. Einstein had a smaal brain size for a human. Neandertals actually had large brains compared to humans as well. Intelligence I also think has to do with the relation of brain matter to spine length as well. Most covies really aren't smart though. they follow because they are dumb. Religion does not require one to ask very many questions if you know what I mean. Generally the smarter you are, the more questions you ask about your world,.

  • 04.17.2004 11:01 PM PDT
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I have an idea. Maybe humans are ancestors of the Forerunners. No hear is my idea. When in the library, 343GS stated that MC had brought inefficient weapons to combat the flood, and that he needed at least a level 12 weapon to be effective. He also stated the MC's current weapons where only a level 2. So wouldn't the Forerunners have to have had weapons that where related or close to the one's MC carries now. Because he wouldn't be able to classify it in that short of time would he? I believe that this supports the theory further that the Forerunners where at least related to the humans.

  • 04.17.2004 11:24 PM PDT
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The Elites armor was also made by the "Ancients"(Forruneers??)

  • 04.17.2004 11:26 PM PDT
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maybe a level 12 weapon would be the halo ring?

The cheifs armor took the sheilding from the elite's. Perhaps its the sheild that the elites got from the "ancients"

  • 04.17.2004 11:31 PM PDT
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I thought hes armor was being classified... maybe thats why the minitor classified it so fast.

  • 04.17.2004 11:33 PM PDT
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the monitor said that his armor was good but that the weapons sucked.

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You sure? Weird. I remember it different.

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Ok Bungie said that MC would have to fight the covenant along with other enemies and that another Halo ring would be involved. So that means more flood (let's pray no library) and maybe when theres like a thousand around you and Sgt. Johnson, your like....."-blam!-", but then here come the forerunners to save the day (and Sgt. Johson again). Plus the Covenant model alot of thei technologie after the the forerunners (that's why they were so interested in Halo) (after this point I ramble on and on....) and the Covies would be like "Hey, they're gods" and worship them, then the profits would be all pissed cause they won't have as much power and be like, "no they are the devil".
But I like the idea of the covenant teaming up with us to defeat hte flood and/or forerunners.

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What is the proff that the Forerunners are extinct? Could they return in Halo 2?

  • 04.17.2004 11:39 PM PDT
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The monitor did say that. He said that MC's suit was good for when the flood started to change the enviroment. And I do remember that the weapons is what GS was talking about.. or at least I think I do.

  • 04.17.2004 11:41 PM PDT
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Does that mean that Sgt. Johnson is really an elite in a halloween costume, that would explain why he kicks ASS!

  • 04.17.2004 11:43 PM PDT
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See this is the effect on the mind of having to play the libraiy through on Legendary and then also have to listen to 343 guilty spark's voice . you end up forgetting -blam!- cause you've gone crazy. Anyways he did comment on the suit and the weapons. weapons bad and suit good for the whole enviro thing. If anyone wants they can head over to HBO and read the transcripts for that level. then we'd know exactly what 343 said. Any volunteer's? : )

  • 04.17.2004 11:46 PM PDT