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Well, I would imagine that we just have to wait until H2, or whenever Bungie decides. Perhaps the writers have not even come up with a theory themselves. Remember, It's all up to the authors.

An Admin or official should comment with a teaser morsel, it would help Halo fanatics everywhere.

-_-; For Brie

  • 04.19.2004 5:24 PM PDT
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This is a pretty glorious post, I'll help keep it alive too. (as asked for on page 3 of the post)
;) As has been previously stated, 343 Guilty Spark is the biggest piece of evidence to the fact that humans are forunner descendents. I think the most significant idea is the part when he is wandering about in the engine room and is babbling about "our" history. He's not a human AI and ya...anyway! Its been said that 343 Guilty Spark shouldn't be quoted or relied upon for plot ideas, I disagree. While he may be a tad insane ( who wouldn't be after 100,000 years alone) but its still important when he starts talking about your armour, weapons, species and history as if he's seen it all before and is intensely interested.

  • 04.19.2004 5:25 PM PDT
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I have a theory......

What if the Forerunners created flood, and then they created humans to use in experiments with the flood, and humans activated halo by accident, destroying forerunners and leaving humans with lots of superior tech. the humans left halo for another planet on a shuttle, and landed on earth. that would explain why covenant are attacking humans, since they think we can use forerunner tech, and why the forerunners havent done anything........ this has to run counter to the "Fortress World" theory though

  • 04.19.2004 5:29 PM PDT

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Ladies ladies, please, first of all, dont we all remeber guiltyspark, saw mater cheif before(which how could he?) and second lets say were in the future(so acctually the rings dont exist yet, so thats why they send them back, and also im not saying that I believe in the horse -blam!-, im just saying is a possibility and lets keep all ideas open for a bit intill we start preaching, the wrong truth.. And remeber in the atack of the controll room level, cortona said "forruner" with no " 's ", so shes talking about one forruner humm many posibilitys, such a long time to ponder about them...

long live the webmaster for he is our king..

  • 04.19.2004 5:29 PM PDT
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Way to read it all and then keep it alive Nerevarine! Thanks I appreciate it! good post.

  • 04.19.2004 5:29 PM PDT
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I hope Bungie eventually decides to sell the Halo Bible. And in case some of you guys didn't know, the Halo Bible does exist. I could post a link to it if you guys like. In it is written every single plot piece and twist. I for one, would buy this baby the first day it comes out, and read it from page 1 to the end.

  • 04.19.2004 5:30 PM PDT
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to awnser a question earlier on i think that the reason why the covenant are attcking the humans (of course the prophets told them 2 but the reason why the prophets want to )is because the humans are forerunners. I think theer was a peacful forerunner.. I'll call them A and a more daring but not quite dangerous forunner i'll call them B. We are the B forerunners. we buildt the halo rings without A nowing and we started to plot agaisbnt them....Forerunners A killed almost all (they thought they killed all) and forerunners B escaped to earth... overtime they became primitive and everything started all over.. That could explain why gilty spark recognied him and his armor" armor might be like a imprint in brain....... Thats a reason why the covenant could want to kill us so bad.............heck this is probably way off but atleast it explains some stuff

  • 04.19.2004 5:32 PM PDT
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I don't think that anyone is truely saying anything like its fact here. Its all speculation dark Sabith. you make some very good points though. I never realized she said forrunner. there is no plural. However you don't say Covenants, yoiu say covenant, and yet there are more than one.

  • 04.19.2004 5:34 PM PDT
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if the halo bible is real id like to c post a link to it

  • 04.19.2004 5:34 PM PDT
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Yes the Forerunners do still exist, I have one locked up in a cage which solves particularly difficult equations. They seem to be good at math. lol. I don't see why some Forerunners couldn't have put themselves in the giant cryo-freezer banks in the Library, or other Libraries on other Fortress worlds. The Forerunners could be anywhere maybe on a gas giant, another galaxy.

  • 04.19.2004 5:38 PM PDT
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I think that humans are the forerunner. What i think happened is that kindof like Atlantis say 120,000 years ago a branch of humans broke of and devoted themselves to technology, they expand and get bigger. then just as we are now, but more advanced and devastating develope the flood as a biological weapon. The flood then infect everything. so the forerunner/humans build these halos, they wipe the galaxy clean but the entire race runs of to another galaxy. some return and go to back to earth, but loose all technology and memory of the ancient forerunner. The covenant arise and they see this forerunner tech everywhere. the read forerunner texts and see that there is a parasitic lifeform spreading across the galaxy, they see the humans and assume the humans are the flood.

proof of this is when guilty spark sayz that there was a redeemer or whatever before mc. this was probably the forerunner sent in to set of the halos the first time. gs seems to recognize the mc. ALSO MOST IMPORTANTLY:: gs, when onboard the pillar sayz "finally, a record of all OUR lost history", our? i mean that is THE evidence there that proves the forerunner is human. he wouldnt say OUR if the forerunner wasnt human.

To support my idea that the forerunner ran outside the galaxy, as posted earlier is that gs sayz THIS galaxy.

As for a reason as to why the forerunner kept some flood alive, maybe the forerunner government didnt want to wipe out their supreme weapon(besides halo) or who knows, im sure the forerunner had a reason.

I think in halo2 the forerunner will come back, just before the fall of earth, and save us. then they will help us assault the covie homeworld. i mean whatelse could attack there world? it sayz that their homeworld is soo well defended that a pebble cant come withing a light year of their world without being destroyed.

  • 04.19.2004 5:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: Foton
Yes the Forerunners do still exist, I have one locked up in a cage which solves particularly difficult equations. They seem to be good at math. lol. I don't see why some Forerunners couldn't have put themselves in the giant cryo-freezer banks in the Library, or other Libraries on other Fortress worlds. The Forerunners could be anywhere maybe on a gas giant, another galaxy.


Is that what those giant computer screen things were in the library? Cryo chambers for forrunners? Yeah thats it. That explains it all!

yeah right. you are crazy.

  • 04.19.2004 5:42 PM PDT
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arkvariable thats pretty much what i was saying good point.. as for the person who has the forerunner in his cage..... whats it look like

  • 04.19.2004 5:51 PM PDT
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Hahaha. You guys are just off the wall. I'm guessing you didn't read the lol at the end of my one sentence, I actually made it a second sentence by its self so you would notice. Why what do you think those Giant Cryo-chambres are used for, I think it is for keeping biological specimens, and such. Flood maybe, all I was trying to suggest was that the Forerunners could have easily frozen some of their kind incase of catastrophe.

  • 04.19.2004 6:01 PM PDT
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My friends, when Halo 2 is released and we watch the final cinimatic clip, we'll all be hitting our collective heads saying "Ohhhhhh....I would've never thought of that!". So in conclusion, it's pointless to even debate about unknown plot points. Bungie is just too smart for this cackamamy group of people, who we call ourselves fans, to wrap our minds around this plot. Think back to Halo uno, on level 5, did you have any damn idea that level 6 was gonna completely turn things around? No. I'm going to bet that by level 26 on Halo 2, everything will all become clear.

Note: level 26 not confirmed....or denied. :)

  • 04.19.2004 6:02 PM PDT
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Here you go, here's an interview with the writer of the Halo Bible, enjoy:
http://bs.bungie.org/mtarchives/000228.html

  • 04.19.2004 6:03 PM PDT
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tyhank you jumpmaster

  • 04.19.2004 6:05 PM PDT
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I don't think that anyone is truely saying anything like its fact here. Its all speculation dark Sabith. you make some very good points though. I never realized she said forrunner. there is no plural. However you don't say Covenants, yoiu say covenant, and yet there are more than one.

Cortana says "forerunners" later. Let me give you the quote:"This ring isn't a cudgel you barbarian, it's something else, something much more important. The Covenant were right... this ring... it's Forerunner... give me a second to access... Yes the Forerunners built this place, what they call a fortress world in order to..." There you have it. I didn't type in the full quote, I just typed what was important to get my point across.

  • 04.19.2004 6:12 PM PDT
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Ok, forgive this post from the start because I haven't had time to read this whole topic- 20 pages worth of posts, with quite a few senseless remarks, is too much. However, there were some great posts that led me to see this similarity: Ah shiite, I'm losing my thought... damn school and it's useless information...

Here it is : Since humans are created in "the likeness of God" .. could that not mean that we are created in "the likeness of the *Forerunners/Ancients* ? ¿ ? ... This thought makes the fact that the Covenant worship the Forerunners as Gods even more interesting. I think its a plausible thought,.. but raises questions like why the hell aren't they worshipping us in similar fashion to native tribes of earth who were conquered by guys like Cortez who had not only superior weaponry but the advantage of having the opposing force believe he was a god...sorry, ramble fest, anyway get back to me yall.

and thanks to all the intelligent posters out there!

  • 04.19.2004 6:14 PM PDT
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FORERUNNERS HAVE TO BE HUMANS, BECAUSE 343 RECOGNISED MC AS THE CORRECT PERSON TO GET THE KEY, BECAUSE HE LOOKED LIKE THE FORERUNNER, AND I BELIEVE AFTER THE BRINK OF DEATH FOR ALL HUMANS THE FORERUNNERS WILL COME FORWARD TO SAVE THEM.

  • 04.19.2004 6:29 PM PDT
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first of all, thanks for the RVB recognition hah.. but... wasnt this on page like 38 yesterday? but its huge ill keep it alive...

I am replaying Legendary Solo right now, and i was on the library a few hours ago and i made sure that i listened to all of 343 Guilty Spark's ramblings... He talks about MC being there before, like how "the last time you did this, you asked me how i would feel doing it" (not verbatim, heh) or soemthing... that leads me to belive two things... first it doesnt prove anything about WHO the forerunners are, but it does say that Halo's defence system was activated before BY Master Chief, or someone VERY similar... similar enough to decieve 343, an ancient, all knowing AI... yeah i dont know if that was 2 things but yeah you know

  • 04.19.2004 8:03 PM PDT
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Elites armor is the same armor made by the forerunner. The Prophets are classified as the covenants religious leaders, maybe sometime in life the Prophets lived with the Forerunners, but the Forerunners left and the Prophets still have access to that technology. On the topic of acting like 343 GS knows you, the MC's armor has sheilds that was copied from the Covenant, and improved upon. Halo was supposdly built by Forerunner and GS was left to maintain Halo 04, and contain the flood. My theory is back in time the Forerunners used Halo and caused a mass extinction of some sort. Maybe, since the MC's armor is similar to Forerunner technology(Sheilds) GS mistakes the MC for some kind of Forerunner that has come to destroy the flood. The MC also seems to recongize many Covenant/Forerunner symbols, like slipspace and the Covenant Panels. Maybe this is caused by some sort of Deja Vu becuase Humans might be directly related to Forerunners. Also, the reason the Covenant hate us so much is becuase the Prophets KNOW were can become a powerful race, becuase of our descendency of the Forerunners. Maybe a Spartan is what a Forerunner was, and the power of John is what they fear. If anyone has read "First Strike" when the MC destorys 500 ships, that is a tiny dent in the Covenant armada, proof that the Covenant have been studying us, and that they have been planning this war.

My theory.

  • 04.19.2004 9:53 PM PDT
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i like the theory that the covenant hate us because of what we will become or can become...
i dont know though, the evidence that MC has been there before is too strong... i think there has to be some relation with him and the forerunner, more than meets the eye ... (or ears)... i think it makes sense that the forerunners were a type of god to the covenant... also, why doesnt MC just ask cortana about halo... ALL about it. jeez he never talks.

my latest theory is that MC knows hes hard, and is kinda stuck up.

  • 04.19.2004 10:03 PM PDT
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Ok here is a theory that ISN"T mine so Im not taking credit for it, but I have tweaked it a little bit.

Ok we do know that GS thinks MC is the Forerunner that set off Halo before right, so here is my idea. The Prophets of the Covenant society reguard the Forerunners with high respct, or it seems to be right? So I was thinking this, is it a possibility that the Prophets worked with the Forerunners, or was a major part of the Forerunner society. Im saying this because if the Forerunners where peacul why would they fight with them. So the Prophet coexisted with the Forerunner. After years of bettering their technology, maybe they tried to better themsleves with the flood. For some reason the Prophets rebeled against them and a war started n which the Prophets changed the promising flood into an evil thing. After the nature of the Flood was discover, the Halo installation was created to study and contain the flood because the survival as a race was dependant on it. Afraid that the Flood couldn't be stopped the Forerunners activated Halo,and both the Prophets and Forerunner barely excaped. Thus the few Foreruners that survived excaped to some unknown place. (which could be any number of places: to reside in slipstream, future, earth., past. another planet. where ever. Personally I like slip space and time travel because it has been shown that they where extremely accurate with numbers) So the Forerunners basiccally make a front of the Forerunners, using their technology to make them more advanced and what I would like to think of as paying a tribute to the Forerunners by envoling them in their cultrue. Thus, the Profects take the place of Forerunners and bring together Ddifferent species of aliens known as The Covenant. Later the Prophets find that what seems to be the Forerunner have returned. So they instantly declare a holy war against Humanity. Now this could go one of two ways as for their reasons why 1 They could have been afraid that the Forerruners would be more advanced than ever and be ready to fight them. OR 2 The Propets realize that Humanity doesn't know it's full potentail and decide to destroy them before Humanity becomes more powerful.
And I believe this ends my thought kinda reminds me of the Catholic Chruch in a weird way

  • 04.19.2004 10:11 PM PDT

I'll be on my own side.

seeing that GS thinks that MC is a Reclaimer,this can support MASTERSPARTAN's theory that some forerunners escaped to earth.if you trace the Master Chiefs lineage far enough back,youll eventually get to someone who lived on Earth,who could have been a forerunner.after a lot of generations,youll get to Master Chiefs parents on Eridanus 2.maybe GS can recognize forerunners somehow

  • 04.19.2004 10:19 PM PDT