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Subject: I am definatly dissappointed in this latest bungie.net blunder

Woop woop.

So My one day ban From Ghandi Didn't affect me as much as another persons 7 day or 30 day ban..Sweet!!

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  • 12.10.2007 1:39 PM PDT

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Legend, might I ask who you even are? Your account is less than a month old. You look like someone just popping in to stir up a fuss. It happens every time Bungie does something, with these members who talk about the community like they've been here since 1991.

Enough with the trolling?

If you have such an issue with those threads, REPORT THEM. Everyone here knows you're up to no good.

[Edited on 12.10.2007 1:45 PM PST]

  • 12.10.2007 1:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
I'm frankly sick and tired of the cries of elitism everyone also makes here. We've tried removing titles, removing join dates, banning the word noob, yet you people still create divisions like this anyway, be it on skill level in the game, using various words, grammar, etc. I've come to the conclusion that part of the problem around here is that there is no real incentive for people to behave well other than "you won't get banned." And even then, some of you just create new accounts and continue being jerks on those accounts.

Total agreement. I think this update, in general, will improve the forums at b.net. Some members will ignore the rating system, but some will strive for the title. This is probably one of the best updates I've seen on b.net. Thanks.

  • 12.10.2007 1:45 PM PDT

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Quit complaining. It's only superficial.

  • 12.10.2007 1:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Ada Astra
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I thought you said you were leaving bungie?

  • 12.10.2007 1:52 PM PDT
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I like join join dates and I don't. I've been on Bungie.net since 2006. This is only a temporary account until my other Bungie.net account Badge Man opens again after a mishap with the Windows Live ID changing.

  • 12.10.2007 1:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: The First Legend
Then there is no point to having it. If it means nothing, and promotes elitism, there are only cons, no pros.

That's not what he said. He said it's superficial. It's just a perk. A very basic one.

What makes you so mad? I'd hate to even say it, but you sound like you're just mad you didn't get one. Otherwise, you shouldn't care at all.

  • 12.10.2007 2:01 PM PDT

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What is with people, its just a title....
Being like this is NOT going to help you get it any faster.

Grow up and stop your complaining.

Anyone who complains from now on should get a "Big Baby" title/role

  • 12.10.2007 2:03 PM PDT
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Posted by: The First Legend
Then there is no point to having it. If it means nothing, and promotes elitism, there are only cons, no pros.


Bollocks, it provides a nice round rating as to your behaivour on the site based loosely off your time here and the number of times the mods have had to -blam!- slap you into submission. Now, bear in mind i'm always the first to shout "GTFO elitism" whenever talk of ranks, councils and whathaveyer comes into play. The good thing about this system is that it is totally neutral and arbitrary, but not so black and white as a join date or a post count. It's fantastic to finally see Achronos 'n' co. changing tack to a more sensible system like this and abandoning the old ideal of "everyone's equal", 'cos it was bull-blam!-. As for its superficiality, don't expect that to last very long. I can guarantee you Achronos has something surprising in store.

Now, i only have one tiny request about this system. First, i'd like it to be weighted slightly more towards public forum activity. For example this dude has posted once, 2 years ago, and is the same rank as the likes of Reiginko. However now the ranks are actually in place, there's probably no real way of doing this, so whatever, doesnt really matter just me nitpicking. It's not right if i agree with something 100%, makes me feel dirty :D.

  • 12.10.2007 2:04 PM PDT
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1. As they should be. You can't trust someone who's been here for a week or even a month. It takes time to build trust with any relationship, even with Bnet.

2. I don't think you're being "shafted" for joining after Halo 3. There title is not important. I could care less about mine. You can have it if you want.

3. It's a good thing because it's gives members something to strive for. Which means that members will make more quality posts. That's what I tihnk anyways.

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Posted by: The First Legend
#1 And I'm guessing the metrics, judging by your comment "but given that you can't boost this rating" it is based on join dates. The reason is simple, post count can be quickly raised by posting a lot, and there is no other type of content to be judged on, as quality of posting cannot be measured, nor can a karma system be implimented where positive karma is awarded, as there are no features for this, so by common sense, join dates are one of me major metrics.

#2 So this means everyone who, like myself, joined for halo 3 is going to get a massive shaft, for not being here sooner. That sucks

#3 So according to your own post, you made something which is a perk for spammers, but has little meaning, and something which myself and others feel will promote elitism. How is this a good thing again?

Posted by: Achronos
#1 No, it uses many multiple combinations of metrics from your activity on the site. Each metric is then given different weights and add or subtracted from the total score depending on if it is a positive or negative metric. Bans/warnings are a big negative, although different lengths of bans are weighted differently, and the length of time they affect your score varies as well.

#2 But no, I'm not telling you how it is calculated. You don't need to know, because it doesn't matter. Not even the mods can see your score. This score has been calculated for everyone for over a year, it is well established, and is fairly accurate. Enough for these kinds of positive reinforcement rewards, anyway.

#3 You're getting pretty bent out of shape over this. Any particular reason? None of the titles are negative, and the vast majority of the membership is still "Member." I'm aware of the quality over quantity arguement, but given that you can't boost this rating, and giving the general quality level of a lot of posts here right now, you can't really tell me that this, of all things, is going to hurt post quality. The people with the titles are the positive members. If a positive member does something negative, their title drops. In the end, it is really not that meaningful, but it does provide a nice little perk to those people who are the duplicate account creating spammers that this site is often known for.

Posted by: The First Legend
People are so slow, the entire system is based on trust, which is awarded either by post count, or join date, then dropped by reports, bans, etc. This means at root people who either post a lot, or have been here a while are rewarded, not based on the content of their post, but instead by the quantity, or join date. I'm sorry if I favor quality over quantity. Look at foman, I dont think there are many more "trusted" members, hell he ran ARG, yet he isnt even a heroic member. I have a feeling join dates play a BIG part in the trust rating.

So achronos, why dont you tell us what makes up that trust rating?

  • 12.10.2007 2:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: elmicker
Now, i only have one tiny request about this system. First, i'd like it to be weighted slightly more towards public forum activity. For example this dude has posted once, 2 years ago, and is the same rank as the likes of Reiginko. However now the ranks are actually in place, there's probably no real way of doing this, so whatever, doesnt really matter just me nitpicking. It's not right if i agree with something 100%, makes me feel dirty :D.

Well, he's plenty active it seems. He just hasn't posted. Hey, sometimes being a good member isn't really about talking all the time. :D

  • 12.10.2007 2:06 PM PDT
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Someone who says they don't spend all their time posting here shouldn't care that they miss out on getting a title here...

  • 12.10.2007 2:09 PM PDT
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  • 12.10.2007 2:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: The First Legend
*sigh*

Superficial: of little substance or significance

Yes, it also means on the surface. Something very 'on the surface'. It doesn't affect you at all. It being there, or it being removed, makes no difference.

So, it has little substance or significance, meaning it has at most, every little value for anything other that visual stimulation. If it has no use other than visual stimulation, and it has the cons of elitism, I see no need for it at all. To apply your logic to your own post, maybe the reason you like them is because you go them, if its a very basic perk, there is no reason for it at all. It accomplishes nothing.

Cons of elitism? Not necessarily. You see 'elitists', you report them. "Elitism" has been discussed PAST ad naseum. Wherever that may be.

Ad Freaking Ridiculous?

I'm not mad because I didnt get one, I simply see how much people talk about ranks in h3 forum and optimatch and I can only imagine how much those same people will use something like that.

People like that don't get titles like that. And if the people who do happen to get them, they're stripped away at any sign of lording.

The system doesnt reward people for good posts,

Really? It doesn't? Who says that? Do you honestly still think it's just about member join date and lack of blacklists/warnings? (Which actually does hint at 'good posting')
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so what is the point of having it? I mean, why give it to people like yourself who attack others, call them trolls, etc. you clearly arent a good example of what someone should do on the forums, so there is no need for you to have it. Any system based on quaity, not quality, is flawed.

It's not just based on Quantity. Everyone I see who has a title that isn't "Member", most certainly is deserving. Yes, it's somewhat about time spent, but isn't every position/title/award/trophy/perk in the entire world? I guarentee that if they handed out titles by hand, based on good posting and such, the exact same people would be given said titles. You're exaggerating the situation, and using "Mights" (poorly founded ones) as basis for things that could happen.

Someone MIGHT abuse it. Sure, most likely, if there wasn't a nice report feature there. You seem to be looking just at the titles, and not at the other feature put in to balance it.

  • 12.10.2007 2:13 PM PDT
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Posted by: The First Legend
Superficial: of little substance or significance


Temporary: impermanent: not permanent.

visual stimulation.

I happen to enjoy a nice bit of visual stimulation every now and then (werhay).

and it has the cons of elitism

No, a title, a string of words, cannot be elitist. It's the tossmongerers who then abuse the title in an elitist manner who have the "cons of elitism". If you do do that, the idea is you get warned or banned, and lose that title. See? Simple, eh?

To apply your logic to your own post, maybe the reason you like them is because you go them

Erm, yeah, that's kind of the point of them. A positive thing to aspire to and work rowards.

in h3 forum and optimatch

This isnt the H3 forum or optimatch. Those who have titles have been around much, much longer than those forums and should know how to conduct themselves properly. Those who do behave in a stupid manner should be consistently warned, so will hopefully learn how to control their emotions before they earn the trust level required.

Any system based on quantity, not quality, is flawed.

That's not what your mum said to me :S.

Posted by: The First Legend
Yes, a round rating as to your behavior on the site, yet someone with 1 post can get the top title


Well, he hasnt been misbehaving, has he?

[Edited on 12.10.2007 2:22 PM PST]

  • 12.10.2007 2:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: The First Legend
Titles based on join dates? You have to be kidding me. Why take out join dates from in forum viewable profiles, always talk about combating elitism, then give titles like heroic member, and legendary member? That is the dumbest most selfcontradicting thing I've ever seen. I am deeply dissappointed in any system that promotes elitism, but even more so in one that promotes elitism, based on time, not any type of contribution. Its simply stupid to me to see someone who has just gotten off a ban, and yet they are supposed to be "heroic." I find this to be really stupid.

That being said, I like the report as spam option, and I hope it isnt abused, or used in a pointless manner.


I was banned for a week before, with no explanation. I still don't know what I did wrong.

But I guess i was good enough to still be a Heroic Member? :P

  • 12.10.2007 2:16 PM PDT