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You should be here for the content rather then for some arbitrary title granted to you over the internet. It may seem as if the older members are the ones with the new titles but that could just be because it' the older members who know and follow the rules rather then the newer ones.

Sometimes people just need to get over themselves. Not everything is elitism, something are meant to just be rewards for good behavior. I'm tired of hearing about elitism this, elitism that. It's done. it's over, go back to enjoying the site like you should be rather then complaining about something that shouldn't even matter. If you were banned then why would you possibly deserve a better title at all you obviously are unable to follow rules. Just like the real world, if you don't follow the laws, then you don't get any sort of promotion.

[Edited on 12.10.2007 2:30 PM PST]

  • 12.10.2007 2:23 PM PDT

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I think it's kind of cool, actually. Of course, I havent posted in eons, but I still find it nice.

  • 12.10.2007 2:23 PM PDT

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In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
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Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

The only "blunder" I have seen is Foman's lack of promotion. However, I'll still respect him most, regardless of his rank, or lack there of.

  • 12.10.2007 2:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: prometheus25
The only "blunder" I have seen is Foman's lack of promotion. However, I'll still respect him most, regardless of his rank, or lack there of.


I'm with Prometheus on this one.

  • 12.10.2007 2:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Posted by: prometheus25
The only "blunder" I have seen is Foman's lack of promotion. However, I'll still respect him most, regardless of his rank, or lack there of.


I'm with Prometheus on this one.

I was surprised as well, but it makes me feel better about myself still being a member. At first I felt really bad for the times I -blam!- up and got baned, although, I did deserve them.

  • 12.10.2007 2:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: elmicker
in h3 forum and optimatch
This isnt the H3 forum or optimatch. Those who have titles have been around much, much longer than those forums and should know how to conduct themselves properly. Those who do behave in a stupid manner should be consistently warned, so will hopefully learn how to control their emotions before they earn the trust level required.
LOL so only people who post in the Septagon has titles all of a sudden. excuse me sir but can you GTFO my internets?

  • 12.10.2007 2:30 PM PDT
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Posted by: camoufIaged
LOL so only people who post in the Septagon has titles all of a sudden. excuse me sir but can you GTFO my internets?


That's not what i said. And like it or not but there's a definite correlation between poster quality and the forum they're posting in. People who post more often in the septagon are more likely to post with a consistent high quality than someone posting regularly in the H3 forum. That's not to say H3 regulars are incapable, though, it's just not as common.

  • 12.10.2007 2:33 PM PDT
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GTFO MY INTERNETS YOU PHAIL

THE CAKE IS A LIE AND YOUR FORUM ELITISM IS TOO

[Edited on 12.10.2007 2:34 PM PST]

  • 12.10.2007 2:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: camoufIaged
This isnt the H3 forum or optimatch. Those who have titles have been around much, much longer than those forums and should know how to conduct themselves properly. Those who do behave in a stupid manner should be consistently warned, so will hopefully learn how to control their emotions before they earn the trust level required.[/quote]LOL so only people who post in the Septagon has titles all of a sudden. excuse me sir but can you GTFO my internets?


I dont think that's how it works. For example, I havent posted in a long time, yet here it says 'Legendary Member'. I didnt post ALL that much in the Septagon, and was certainly more active years ago before the move to the 'Halo 2 Bnet'.

Also, someone made a good point: There are still people who you'll respect based on respect for them, not a label that they have under their name.

  • 12.10.2007 2:34 PM PDT

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Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: camoufIaged
GTFO MY INTERNETS YOU PHAIL

THE CAKE IS A LIE AND YOUR FORUM ELITISM IS TOO


And (I'm just taking a stab in the dark here) you question why you're still a member?

But I do agree with you. Most concepts of Forum Elitism are indeed lies.

  • 12.10.2007 2:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: prometheus25
And (I'm just taking a stab in the dark here) you question why you're still a member?

I never questioned it child..

YOU PHAIL

[Edited on 12.10.2007 2:40 PM PST]

  • 12.10.2007 2:37 PM PDT
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I dont need a title to be an elitist prick, and neither do any of you.

  • 12.10.2007 2:41 PM PDT
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Ignore him prometheus, he's just a spammer trying to impersonate another user. Just report it and leave.

Personally, I kind of like the titles. It shows who can be trusted and who would be the best person to ask help from. Not to mention the also kind members.

  • 12.10.2007 2:42 PM PDT

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I think this controversy will die out in a few days. One thing I would like to know is if the system is constantly updating. Is it possible to achieve new ranks, and not just go down? Because, then there really is a good point there in providing members something somewhat tangible to strive for.

  • 12.10.2007 2:46 PM PDT
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it doesnt really change anything...cmon its still the internet, you can do what ever the hell you want

  • 12.10.2007 2:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25
The only "blunder" I have seen is Foman's lack of promotion. However, I'll still respect him most, regardless of his rank, or lack there of.


I'm with Prometheus on this one.

And I've wondered about it as well.

The thing is that there are hardly any "bad" members among those with titles, but many productive members are not necessarily recognized through them. Would it be necessary to tinker with posters who have clearly contributed? No, of course not. Would it be inappropriate, though? No, I don't think so either. If, for example, Achronos were to decide to adjust individual titles (unlikely), it would not be unreasonable by the very fact that the particular poster was prominent enough to be recognized by an authority as reliable, despite the leanings of an automated and impartial process. This argument would hold against anyone who felt themselves a good poster bereft of well-deserved benefits -- clearly, they weren't quite as helpful as they'd imagined, and they aren't entitled to anything anyway. Attending to a few is better, I think, than leaving the whole lot alone.

Not that I am by any means suggesting that this sort of account-fiddling be engaged in; I just don't think it would be an imprudent action to take, if taken. And I don't actually think it's very likely at all (especially considering the value of such accounts in evaluating the algorithms and criteria that play a part in the trust system, and why they may or may not be in need of tweaking); I just a) enjoy wild hypotheticals, and b) do think that Foman (and others, no doubt) are very good, active participants, regardless of titles or lack thereof.

  • 12.10.2007 2:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: Aznbanisher
it doesnt really change anything...cmon its still the internet, you can do what ever the hell you want

Well yeah, just not here...

  • 12.10.2007 2:47 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

I see your point, Naku. but, though I do feel pity towards Foman, I'd rather not have Achronos change individual member status for the same reasons he doesn't allow for name changes in almost every case.

  • 12.10.2007 2:50 PM PDT

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1. Join date is one of the metrics used. But it is only one. There are lots of others that come into play. If you can't think of them, well, you're not looking hard enough.

2. So, you think you're more trusted than someone who hasn't been banned for having a duplicate account? Really, I've been looking at the trust numbers generated for a year. They turn out to be a VERY accurate rating... I thought it was going to be much harder to come up with the proper algorthim, but spammers are pretty predictable. This isn't something I just cooked up, it has been a long time coming.

3. It is reward for trust, something not easily found on a public forum. It is not a measure of quality or quantity. If you want to try and place other value on it than what it is measuring, that's your own problem. I'd rather given those deserving some positive reinforcement than worry about stupid cries of "elitism." Half of you think that having moderators is elitist, the other half think your skill at Halo measures your self worth as a person. So, I'm not really going to lose sleep because everyone doesn't get the nod - not everybody should.

Posted by: The First Legend
#1 And I'm guessing the metrics, judging by your comment "but given that you can't boost this rating" it is based on join dates. The reason is simple, post count can be quickly raised by posting a lot, and there is no other type of content to be judged on, as quality of posting cannot be measured, nor can a karma system be implimented where positive karma is awarded, as there are no features for this, so by common sense, join dates are one of me major metrics.

#2 So this means everyone who, like myself, joined for halo 3 is going to get a massive shaft, for not being here sooner. That sucks

#3 So according to your own post, you made something which is a perk for spammers, but has little meaning, and something which myself and others feel will promote elitism. How is this a good thing again?

  • 12.10.2007 3:03 PM PDT

I wonder if I got changed, not that I expect it, I'm generally considered a shadow among the more flamboyant crowd.

  • 12.10.2007 3:10 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Your counter-points, 'chronos, sparked a question...

Does logging into a different WLID on Bungie.net under the same IP cause harm to your trust rating, as it may be seen as possessing a multiple account? This has probably been answered in the past, but I haven't seen this during the time I've been productive here. Certainly there must be acknowledgement that people have friends who check their own accounts from their computer, no?

Perhaps I'm being a bit paranoid, and this doesn't even garner anything against this trust rating?

  • 12.10.2007 3:12 PM PDT
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And the Shadow fell upon the Land, and the World was riven stone from stone. The oceans fled, and the mountains were swallowed up, and the nations were scattered to the eight corners of the World. The moon was blood, and the sun was as ashes. The seas boiled, and the living envied the dead. All was shattered, and all but memory lost, and one memory above all others, of him who brought the Shadow and the Breaking of the World. And him they named Dragon.

All the accounts I found, created in 2001, were mythic members. So just check them out :)

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I wanna see a myhic member.

  • 12.10.2007 3:13 PM PDT