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Subject: EXP loss ideas (previously movied)

Stooping to the lowest level of whoring...

My Halo 3 Wishlist, My File Share, Blood Gulch, Halo 1 CTF

So I posted this thread here yesterday and it has been moved to the Halo 3 Forum. The thing is, my request has nothing to do with what happens while you're playing Halo 3. I made these suggestions specifically regarding the Bungie.net website, and I feel that this makes the request perfectly suited for the Bungie.net Community forum. I tried PMing Recon about it but haven't gotten a response, so I'm requesting that any mod either move my thread back or delete the linked ones and let this one continue as the thread.

So I pride myself in never quitting any games, and had 0 EXP Penalties until fairly recently. Anyway, I'm not sure where I got my -1 and this thread isn't to complain about that. I just think it would be a nice feature to have your penalty value actually be a link taking you to a list of all games that have earned you an EXP Penalty. I'm pretty curious about which game it was and figure I accepted a game invite during an unranked team game or something, just a thought.

Also, I was thinking about how some players have complained about losing EXP for disconnects they have no control over. Well I figure counting games quit and disconnects separately (but leaving both as -1 EXP) would let these people show they're not quitters but just suffer from bad connections (almost as bad, IMO...).

So yeah, those are some ideas.


And I'm not trying to spam or bump my thread, if it dies because nobody posts in it then fine, I'd just like it to be in the right place (or have any kind of contact from a mod explaining why this isn't it).

Edit: again, not looking for attention, and I didn't reply to the post below because I didn't want to bump the thread.

[Edited on 12.12.2007 11:26 AM PST]

  • 12.12.2007 10:59 AM PDT

The ninjas will move it to where they damn well please.

  • 12.12.2007 11:04 AM PDT
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Notice that this thread is about a Halo 3 multiplayer issue, and youy are re-posting in a forum for the website's community. The Halo 3 forum's subtext clearly indicates it is for "Halo 3 Campaign, Multiplayer, and more."

If your thread was moved, that action was taken for a very good reason. The esteemed ninjas do not move things lightly. SO, by posting here again, you may be risking a temporary blacklist.

Next time, just take the actions of our Dear Leaders in stride.

Oh, and have a nice day!

[Edited on 12.12.2007 12:49 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2007 12:45 PM PDT

Stooping to the lowest level of whoring...

My Halo 3 Wishlist, My File Share, Blood Gulch, Halo 1 CTF

Any kind of communication would work, and I've had Recon reply to my thread about viewing games played with your shared files. Some consistency would be nice, or really any kind of reply would do. If it was for a very good reason, I'd just like to know what it was.

  • 12.12.2007 12:50 PM PDT
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See, that's the thing: when moving a thread, the moderators are under NO obligation to tell you why it was moved, as most of the time it will be apparent.

I imagine they would only explain when the reasons are extremely vague or up to interpretation.

I'll be nice and spell it out since my last post and edit didn't accomplish that.

Your original thread was moved because the topic was about experience penalties, a Halo 3 multiplayer issue. You posted it in The Septagon, the forum for discussing the online community at large and possible fixes/cool changes to the B.net website itself. The thread should have been posted in the Halo 3 forum, a location for Halo 3 multiplayer issues (such as EXP penalties), or the Optimatch forum, but not Optimatch so much since that forum is for playlist discussion. Therefore, it was moved to where it should have been posted originally.

There. I hope this clears it up.

  • 12.12.2007 1:00 PM PDT

Actually, I would think that the first part of the thread was about a site change (albeit one to the Halo 3 stats tracking system). Maybe the presentation made the difference. (i.e. try posting about just that issue instead)

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  • 12.12.2007 1:03 PM PDT
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Okay, I can see your point icefire, but the tracking of experience and penalties would be controlled by Bungie's game servers, not the web servers (so I would think). The website only reports the data that is fed to it by the game servers in a neat little package.

Also, this might also involve some of Microsoft's master LIVE servers that we pay to keep connected to.

  • 12.12.2007 1:06 PM PDT

Stooping to the lowest level of whoring...

My Halo 3 Wishlist, My File Share, Blood Gulch, Halo 1 CTF

The web servers could still easily log the time that the EXP Penalty was received and link you to the most likely game which caused the penalty. That would all be independent of Xbox Live's reporting methods, which I'm sure Bungie has access to and can still be construed as a functionality of Bungie.net.

And my second suggestion could probably be even more easily tracked by Bungie.net alone. I'd be pretty surprised if Xbox Live doesn't distinguish between games ending in a disconnect and games ending in voluntarily quitting.

But if you read the moved thread in the Halo 3 forum, somebody suggested my -1 might've come from matchmaking finding me a full game then kicking me out to start the search over. Don't know what Bungie.net would do in that case or if it would count it as me quitting, since I went straight back into matchmaking right after that.

  • 12.12.2007 1:14 PM PDT

Strange evolution how people have come to believe
That we are it's greatest achievement
We're barely, we're just a collection of cells
Overrating themselves

Halo 3 doesnt have dedicated game servers.

To my knowledge, there is no way of telling if you have a bad connection or if you quit.

As far as being able to see your games where you get negative experience, it probably wouldnt be too hard to query and display those results. IMO, its not really necessary.

  • 12.12.2007 1:15 PM PDT

Stooping to the lowest level of whoring...

My Halo 3 Wishlist, My File Share, Blood Gulch, Halo 1 CTF

Clients act as servers and report game results. Quits and disconnects are likely reported already.

As for determining whether you've disconnected or quit, how quickly you get back online could be a good indicator. Yes, people who unplug their cables would be in the same boat as people who actually have connection problems, but I think it'd be nice to differentiate them from people who just quit to join another game.

Maybe further differentiation between ranked and unranked... yeah.

  • 12.12.2007 1:20 PM PDT

You shouldn't sweat a one point EXP loss, it's a small price to pay to encourage players to remain in games. The system isn't perfect, but it works well. (On topic: The same could be said for the moderators)
As for the site fix, I don't think that your idea would benefit a majority of players. Who wants a link of shame to every game they've quit (or been DC from)?
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Also, this might also involve some of Microsoft's master LIVE servers that we pay to keep connected to.

Ah, so that's what I pay for every year? And I thought it was all just to give MS more money.


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  • 12.12.2007 1:22 PM PDT
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In any case, it doesn't matter. I remember reading something some time ago that stated Bungie was taking a zero tolerance policy against those who quit or disconnect.

The reasoning is obvious: quitters suck, and if your connection is so bad that you drop from the game on a regular basis, your lag is most likely ruining the game experience for everyone else. More incentive to get a better modem, get better at networking, or stop using dial-up to play.


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  • 12.12.2007 1:23 PM PDT

Stooping to the lowest level of whoring...

My Halo 3 Wishlist, My File Share, Blood Gulch, Halo 1 CTF

Recon, well in my case, I didn't notice until I checked my ratings history after not doing so in like a week. So I have no idea. But no, it's not that important, just a little feature I thought I'd suggest.

icefirei, I'm not sweating the loss, but I've come across people complaining about their records being ruined and worrying about being paired up with cheaters because of disconnects when it was never their intention. Kinda thinking of others here.

Also, a link of shame is exactly what some people need. People in the forums will have their quits and disconnects clearly visible to all, and public ridicule could be another form of deterrence against those practices. And on the same note, why list how many times you've died? Just another stat to track that could be useful in some situations.

Enamberclad, I agree. But further differentiating games you didn't finish couldn't hurt. Maybe somebody doesn't have too much of an issue with quitting unranked matches but always stays in ranked matches, if the Ratings History page could show that, it would be to that person's benefit.

  • 12.12.2007 1:50 PM PDT
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Still, social or not, I hate quitters. No offense, but trying to make someone less evil by showing that they quit only from social matches doesn't really make sense. Yes, it would be a nice way of saving face, but I deplore ALL quitters. In principle, if you start a game, you should finish it. If you know you don't have the time, I would recommend you not start to begin with.

*braces for 2nd degree burns*

  • 12.12.2007 2:32 PM PDT

Stooping to the lowest level of whoring...

My Halo 3 Wishlist, My File Share, Blood Gulch, Halo 1 CTF

Ok, you hate quitters. Why would I take offense? Take another look at the first post in this thread. And people who quit are hardly evil, you have a pretty skewed view of the world if that's how you feel.

It makes plenty of sense, and having links to the results of all the games a player didn't finish could show if he quit just because he was losing or accepted a game invite or even if his team was about to win but he lost his connection. I agree that results are the bottom line, but intentions matter too.

And I don't really get why you thought you'd be flamed, be it from me in particular (really, which of my posts have given you the impression that I would) or anybody in general...

  • 12.12.2007 2:59 PM PDT