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Subject: I have an idea, Bungie. (great idea about bumping)
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You know how you don't allow bumping? Well, say someone on the files forums really wants their content to be seen. They can't bump it, and the files forums move pretty fast. How about a "bump button" that could only be used once or twice per hour for each person? And threads would go the same way. The button could only be used once or twice an hour on an individual thread by any person, then, anyone who wanted to use the button on that thread would have to wait until the waiting period was over to bump the thread again.

If you don't get what I mean, then here is a simple explanation.
Each user here would get one or two bumps per hour, then would have to wait an hour to get the ability to bump again.
Each THREAD would get one or two bumps an hour, and then nobody would get to bump that thread again until an hour has passed.

If you find anything bad about this idea, please tell me.

  • 12.13.2007 8:59 AM PDT
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Also, move this thread if it is in the wrong forum.

  • 12.13.2007 9:02 AM PDT

How about only available to the OP? That way people wouldn't waste your bumps.

  • 12.13.2007 9:05 AM PDT
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omg You bumped.

I still think people would bump with replies, and it sounds like an overly difficult endeavour to follow.

-TGP-

  • 12.13.2007 9:06 AM PDT
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I think it should work like so:

One bump every 24 Hours.
Only the topic authour can bump.
Only 7 bumps (or so) per thread.

It could work, I implemented such a system on an old Forum I used to run and it did considerably reduce the number of bump posts.

Also if someone posts a reply where the only text within it is "bump", perhaps they could be issued an automatic warning.

[Edited on 12.13.2007 9:07 AM PST]

  • 12.13.2007 9:06 AM PDT
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Posted by: Great_Pretender
omg You bumped.

I still think people would bump with replies, and it sounds like an overly difficult endeavour to follow.

-TGP-


Well, reply bumps could still be banned...and difficult? You can do almost anything with programming. Remember, this is Bungie. They can do that.

  • 12.13.2007 9:17 AM PDT
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You make a point Recon, I didn't really think about it like that. I thought I had a solution lined up but thinking about it, it would cause more bad than good. The solution was to only allow Heroic, Legendary and Mythic Members to use the feature. But after a few Seconds of thought I realized how much of a bad idea that would be.

Oh well.

  • 12.13.2007 9:38 AM PDT
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k, that's why you have limited bumps.

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Posted by: Alister28
k, that's why you have limited bumps.

But think about how many Members Bnet has. Even if everyone was limited to 2 bumps per thread, even 1 - it'd be disastrous.

  • 12.13.2007 9:41 AM PDT
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I don't like the idea of any kind of bumping. All you'll be doing is makng the same problem legitimate.

  • 12.13.2007 9:42 AM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
No, no, no. A thousand times no.


Soo...........it's a no Recon? Stop being so vague.

People have to be a little more creative when you want to bump. Just do what everyone else does after creating a thread you deem to be soaked with awesome sauce. Run to all your private groups and say "Hey, I need help with this thread.........CHARGE!!!!!!!"

  • 12.13.2007 9:42 AM PDT

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They could just not allow posting in a row, but that would get annoying in some cases.. Achronos himself wouldn't like it. Unless he could break it. Which he probably would.

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  • 12.13.2007 9:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
I am against the IDEA of bumping.

It is the ultimate in selfishness.

"My topic is important, people need to see it. I don't CARE that those other threads are getting actual replies and discussion, MINE should be!"

Which even though it is really selfish, imagine if it were allowed. Then EVERYONE, who think that they have a "more important topic than this other crap" is permitted to bump.

Then what do we have? At any time, the first page of each forum could quite possibly be completely filled with posts where someone has bumped and there have been no meaningful replies. And the page-worth of topics that were getting responses are now a page or two down. What are their participants/creators going to do? That's right, they are going to bump too.

No, no, no. A thousand times no.

And when everyone's bumping, the no one is really going to get ahead. The core issue seems to be that the forum pages move really fast, which is a product of numerous threads being created. Seems to me what, if anything, is needed is a system or policies that would somehow limit the number of new threads being created.

Perhaps when someone gets banned from posting, a ban from starting new threads could endure for some amount of time after their posting ban expires--this might cut down on the number of spam threads a little. Also, B.net could filter for and reject any thread where the title or body contains the R-word, the N-word, Mauler, melee, custom game, Luke owes me steak, or any other much-discussed topic, and give the would-be poster of the thread a polite (or not) message informing him/her of the search function--this would reduce greatly the number of repeat topics. Anyone posting a farewell/I'm done with Halo thread should be permanently held to their words and permabanned from the site--okay, maybe that's a bit extreme...

Just some ideas...

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This could work if people were limited to say 5 bumps a Month. They would then have to decide when was the best time to use those bumps. But if it wasn't extremely limited then it just wouldn't work at all.

  • 12.13.2007 9:44 AM PDT

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A "bump" is understandable when you reply to a post with a legitimate response. In that case it would not be a "bump" in the illegal sense.

Illegal "bumps" are quite obvious and dealt with accordingly. The system works. If you KNOW you are bumping the thread, chances are so do the mods.

I believe It was once said by one of the moderators to "Bump with caution"..use your heads.


  • 12.13.2007 9:55 AM PDT

I vote...NO, to bumping in general. It says that a person is of the unjustified belief that their thread is more important than that of the poor soul whose thread their bumped one will displace on the front page. Having a "bump" button would only encourage that, and it would solve nothing.

Granted, the Files forums do move very quickly compared to the other forums -- they have to, just because there's so many people uploading and sharing their content. I see how you're thinking, but I stand by what I said a few sentences ago.

[Edited on 12.13.2007 10:25 AM PST]

  • 12.13.2007 10:23 AM PDT

Tag 'em and Bag 'em!

That's a good idea. I've seen this done on many other forums where 'Bumping' was an issue due to the vast amount of threads that are posted, and as the OP has already pointed out, you only get to use them once every so often and only the creator of the thread can do it.

  • 12.13.2007 10:31 AM PDT

Tag 'em and Bag 'em!

Posted by: Recon Number 54
I am against the IDEA of bumping.

It is the ultimate in selfishness.

"My topic is important, people need to see it. I don't CARE that those other threads are getting actual replies and discussion, MINE should be!"

Which even though it is really selfish, imagine if it were allowed. Then EVERYONE, who think that they have a "more important topic than this other crap" is permitted to bump.

Then what do we have? At any time, the first page of each forum could quite possibly be completely filled with posts where someone has bumped and there have been no meaningful replies. And the page-worth of topics that were getting responses are now a page or two down. What are their participants/creators going to do? That's right, they are going to bump too.

No, no, no. A thousand times no.


What if you have a question that you need answered, but nobody has replied (and not because it's a difficult question), what do you do? Create another thread? No. 'Bump' it? No.

All you can do is let it drift into the sea of topics past and give up trying. How useful is a forum when you can't even get a question answered without running the risk of hippo licking or assasination?

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

No, never. I disagree with this idea in any iteration or with any tweak that you could possibly come up with.

A post stands on its own merit. In other words, a post is only pushed to the top of the forum when the Community thinks that the discussion is important enough to keep going. That is the nature of a discussion forum. If you post something, and the Community does not want to talk about it, it sinks to the next page as it should. A "bump" serves only to force people to see something again that they have already chosen not to respond to.

That is the more metaphysical reason that this is a bad idea. The practical reason is that you have hundreds of thousands of people on this site. Many of them have created threads. And when they create a thread, it is because they want people to talk about it and reply to it.

Even if you only allowed a thread to be bumped once ever, you are looking at a potential universe of thousands of bumped threads per day. Looking through the Halo 3 Forum, approximately 1100 unique threads died and sank off the front page. In one day -- and that's on a random Wednesday. And can you imagine the abuse of this button? Even if you could only use it once on a thread ever, most posters would be hard-pressed not to use the button.

The worst part is that I can see no merit to this idea. Why is bumping a thread necessary or a good thing? The only instance I can think of when it's okay is during times of high spam or spam attacks when 15 or 20 locked threads begin to push legitimate threads down off the front page. And I'm hard-pressed to think that a mod would lock a topic if you bumped it after something like that. Unless it is that kind of situation, then you are merely forcing people to look at a thread that they don't want to. And that is not helpful or contributing to the forums in the least.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: SGM26
What if you have a question that you need answered, but nobody has replied (and not because it's a difficult question), what do you do? Create another thread? No. 'Bump' it? No.

All you can do is let it drift into the sea of topics past and give up trying. How useful is a forum when you can't even get a question answered without running the risk of hippo licking or assasination?
You raise a legitimate point, but I would give two answers.

First, you must balance the number of times that this kind of thing happens against the number of times that a thread is bumped for illegitimate reasons. The ratio is miniscule. Sometimes you have to create a rule that is slightly overinclusive in order to keep people from trying to game the rules. For example, if you were to create an exception for bumping for "questions you need answered," then the following sample post would be legitimate:Posted by: x Foman123 x
Hay guys just wanted to let you know that I ranked up today! :-P

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, uhh, i need to make this legitimate, so, uh, how do you beat The Ark level on Legendary?
Posted by: x Foman123 x
bump
As you can see, any rule allowing this for "questions" threads would cause gaming of the system. No -- bumping needs to be strictly prohibited at all times.

Second, keep in mind that the Halo forums are a discussion forum, not a tech support forum. You can ask your questions here, and they'll usually be answered, but there is no guarantee of that. There's no such thing as a Bungie-related question that you "need" to be answered that cannot be answered outside these forums. Thus if your question sinks off the first page, it's because nobody wanted to discuss it -- which is fine with me in most cases, because answering support or gameplay questions is not entertaining discussion.

  • 12.13.2007 11:13 AM PDT

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If your file is actually worth a crap you won't need to bump it. Everyone thinks their file is better than everyone else's. Let the people decide.

  • 12.13.2007 11:38 AM PDT

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