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Subject: Mythic Members

Posted by: Mr SnuggIy
So I think Jun's a master chef, because he takes off his helmet and your like whoa, I think he's a chef.

So to shorten this up, Jun is master chef.

Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: WhiffleBallTony
Yeah. I just found a Mythic who has posted twice in his history. He joined in '01. He had one post in '04 and one in May '07. I find it ridiculous that they would choose people who post that infrequently to have the highest rank available.


I don't see why it should matter. The new rankings have no concrete benefits; the only power they get are those that members give them, metaphoricly speaking.

A few people slipping between the cracks, the cracks of a newly tailored system mind you, is definately worth the risks, and rewards, of this system. That's just how I feel.

I agree, but I think that if this is based on a "Trust System", then they should only give members who have proved their trust a title like that, not people who have been members for 5+ years. It seems similar to ageism. If all of a sudden because someone is in their 30s they got promoted to Mythic, whereas someone like me who is 13 remained a member because of my age, I would be annoyed. Of course, that isn't really a good analogy, but what I mean is pretty much that older members shouldn't be trusted more than newer members. That's all that I mean.

  • 12.13.2007 5:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: RampantCortana
Posted by: beorn
Posted by: Fr1day
I wonder what my number is?
7855. Look at the link that shows up when you click your name in the thread (to the right of your avatar) and it'll tell you.


And yours is fricking 17. :) ( It has a seven in it! :O! )

I worship you. *kisses ground near feet*
Well that really helps figure out the standards for Mythic.

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Location: Outlaws' Summit.

Posted by: beorn
Posted by: Fr1day
I wonder what my number is?
7855. Look at the link that shows up when you click your nam e in the thread (to the right of your avatar) and it'll tell you.


Wow........17. You good sir are ancient. lol

Seriously you've probably been here the first week Bungie.net was created I'm guessing? Heck, probably even the first day or two..........

  • 12.13.2007 5:13 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

The Trust System takes into effect many factors. While time on board does have a significant impact on your rating, it goes well beyond that. We do know that bannings and warnings influence an individuals rating, and other factors, such as locked topics, stickied topics, and maybe even the new spam reportings, may also have an impact.

Of course, no detailed analysis will be given as to how the system functions precisely; that lesson was learned in Halo 2.

  • 12.13.2007 5:13 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Posted by: beorn
Posted by: Fr1day
I wonder what my number is?
7855. Look at the link that shows up when you click your nam e in the thread (to the right of your avatar) and it'll tell you.


Wow........17. You good sir are ancient. lol

Seriously you've probably been here the first week Bungie.net was created I'm guessing? Heck, probably even the first day or two..........


11/15/01- Indeed the first day Bungie.net had public sign-ups.

  • 12.13.2007 5:14 PM PDT

How it is agism if they have proved themselves trustworthy over a longer time? There are members here that have older join dates than others yet have lower status', for the reasons mentioned previously as factors in the "Trust Process".
The longer any one is shown to do something the more trusted they are to do it.

[Edited on 12.13.2007 5:29 PM PST]

  • 12.13.2007 5:27 PM PDT
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So now I'm a beta tester. Let's see where this goes.

Ever heard of the saying, "Respect is given but trust is earned." Well it takes time to truly earn anything and Mythic status wouldn't be what it is if it didn't take while to earn it.

  • 12.13.2007 5:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nedge
Ever heard of the saying, "Respect is given but trust is earned." Well it takes time to truly earn anything and Mythic status wouldn't be what it is if it didn't take while to earn it.


Listen to Nedge, he's in my sig....

  • 12.13.2007 5:55 PM PDT

Posted by: Parthath
Truth. Respect++, Intelligence+, [maxed out]

Posted by: Kamatzu
Luv. We all can has it. Togethr.

Posted by: Keith Byrne
I think that you must have joined before the New Hawtness to start to qualify for Mythic status.

New Hawtness?

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Posted by: WalkinBonfire
Posted by: Keith Byrne
I think that you must have joined before the New Hawtness to start to qualify for Mythic status.

New Hawtness?

This is the second incarnation of the New Hotness. The first one was bluer, and had the trademark sliding navbar. Before that was the Old Crapness, which while seemingly crappy, did have its personality.

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Posted by: WhiffleBallTony
Well, we all know about the new update with Heroic, Legendary, and Mythic members. However, the last of those three has been eluding me. I haven't seen one of them post since the update in the forums that I frequent.

Today, however, I set out to find someone who is a Mythic member. I was only able to find one. I will not post a link to this person's account, but I will say that the last time they posted was in September, and before that, they posted only in July, March and only 1 or 2 posts in each of those months listed. I find it a bit odd that someone who posts so infrequently would be Mythic. I would like to know exactly what the criterion are for Mythics, because Heroics and Legendarys seem to be very active.


I love how you made a new post to a question that has been anwsered already. Search for this next time. I believe Achronos anwsered it in the other one as well

  • 12.13.2007 6:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Parthath
Truth. Respect++, Intelligence+, [maxed out]

Posted by: Kamatzu
Luv. We all can has it. Togethr.

Posted by: Captain K Mart
Posted by: WalkinBonfire
Posted by: Keith Byrne
I think that you must have joined before the New Hawtness to start to qualify for Mythic status.

New Hawtness?

This is the second incarnation of the New Hotness. The first one was bluer, and had the trademark sliding navbar. Before that was the Old Crapness, which while seemingly crappy, did have its personality.

Ahhhhh. I was here for the New Hotness, then.
EDIT: And personally, I thought it had more personality.

[Edited on 12.13.2007 6:37 PM PST]

  • 12.13.2007 6:35 PM PDT

Thinking of something witty to write here since 2004...

Posted by: Keith Byrne
I think that you must have joined before the New Hawtness to start to qualify for Mythic status.


Which new hawtness? I was around a few years before this one but I joined just after the 1st one.

  • 12.13.2007 6:39 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: WalkinBonfire
Posted by: Keith Byrne
I think that you must have joined before the New Hawtness to start to qualify for Mythic status.

New Hawtness?


The "New Hawtness" was the pre-Halo 3 layout of Bungie.net (description courtesy of Bungie-pedia and Foman). This format lasted from April 12, 2004 up to March 20, 2007, when it was replaced with an early, similar version of this layout, aptly referred to as the New-New-Hawtness, or the New Hawtness 2.0/v. 2

The Old-Hawtness predates this. It was opened on November 12, 2001 (the first public signups were three days later), and was your typical, old school websites. An archive of this site is available, but I know not where it is.

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New hotness was april 04 (when i joined). Mythic members are all 02 or earlier.

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Posted by: Reiginko
Good to see at least somebody takes this place seriously

I am sincerely disappointed in everyone except JIMH. JIMH, have a gold star.


',:\ IF YA SAHMELLLL

I am fairly certain now that posting reduces your trust score. Therefore, all the Mythic members will automatically be changed to a normal member when they post. That is why we haven't seen many of them.

[Edited on 12.13.2007 6:52 PM PST]

  • 12.13.2007 6:51 PM PDT

Posted by: prometheus25
The Old-Hawtness predates this. It was opened on November 12, 2001 (the first public signups were three days later), and was your typical, old school websites. An archive of this site is available, but I know not where it is.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present..... Evolution!

  • 12.13.2007 8:04 PM PDT

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The update is very cool but I dont need a rank to show how big of a Fan I am. Im a Farking MARATHON member... ya na mean..

  • 12.13.2007 8:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Captain K Mart
Posted by: WalkinBonfire
Posted by: Keith Byrne
I think that you must have joined before the New Hawtness to start to qualify for Mythic status.

New Hawtness?

This is the second incarnation of the New Hotness. The first one was bluer, and had the trademark sliding navbar. Before that was the Old Crapness, which while seemingly crappy, did have its personality.

You'd have to have joined long before that even. I was around before the even older new hawtness, I'm still Legendary.

The Mythics are ancient. They're like.. >_>
Well, the title just fits.

  • 12.13.2007 8:49 PM PDT
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If Heroic was a Pie, and Legendary was a Chicken Pie, then Mythic would be...like a Bigg plate of Kittens and cookies.

  • 12.13.2007 8:52 PM PDT

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If they could just go a little faster or pull into the damn right lane to let faster traffic through...

I'm left wondering just how many of those mythics are actually still posting. I mean, I like to tell myself that it's not simply an accumulation of time, but activity as well, but when I hear about people not having posted for well over 6 months (or even logged in) it makes me wonder if inactivity doesn't trump time. I'll never know though, so screw it.

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Posted by: WhiffleBallTony
Posted by: Fuzzy OneThree
i think you should have some recent activity to be a mythic member because it seems stupid that the highest titled people don't even visit the forums.

Yeah. I just found a Mythic who has posted twice in his history. He joined in '01. He had one post in '04 and one in May '07. I find it ridiculous that they would choose people who post that infrequently to have the highest rank available.


So? He probably uses the site for stats..... and he's a good non trolling member!

  • 12.13.2007 9:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: meeper
If Heroic was a Pie, and Legendary was a Chicken Pie, then Mythic would be...like a Bigg plate of Kittens and cookies.

With blueberry pie. On their cute kitten faces.

:D

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Maybe it considers how many years you've been a member, not necessarily a member since 2002 or earlier. For example, maybe next year there will be Mythic members who joined in 2003, and the following year there will be Mythic members who joined in 2004. Just speculation.

This is a rather new account that I made in 2006. My original 2004 account is deleted, and my second account that was made in 2005 is Heroic. I find it funny because I believe that my 2005 account has been blacklisted quite a few times, and this account not once.

[Edited on 12.13.2007 10:48 PM PST]

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Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: WhiffleBallTony
Yeah. I just found a Mythic who has posted twice in his history. He joined in '01. He had one post in '04 and one in May '07. I find it ridiculous that they would choose people who post that infrequently to have the highest rank available.


I don't see why it should matter. The new rankings have no concrete benefits; the only power they get are those that members give them, metaphoricly speaking.

A few people slipping between the cracks, the cracks of a newly tailored system mind you, is definately worth the risks, and rewards, of this system. That's just how I feel.

I agree, but I think that if this is based on a "Trust System", then they should only give members who have proved their trust a title like that, not people who have been members for 5+ years. It seems similar to ageism. If all of a sudden because someone is in their 30s they got promoted to Mythic, whereas someone like me who is 13 remained a member because of my age, I would be annoyed. Of course, that isn't really a good analogy, but what I mean is pretty much that older members shouldn't be trusted more than newer members. That's all that I mean.

Well, think about it. Who do you trust most of all your friends? For most people, the friends whom they have the most trust in are the ones they have known the longest. There are a few reasons for this which don't apply here, but one reason that does is this: As the amount of time increases where a person has not done anything to harm you (harm here can mean anything considered bad by you) increases, the likelyhood of them ever doing anything to harm you decreases. Sure, there are exceptions, but on average, a person who has been your friend for 5 years is not likely to just turn around one day and say forget it.

Bringing it back to B.net, consider this: what is the likelyhood of a 4 year member being a spam account? I think we can all agree that it is pretty low. Sure, that member may have done some bad things in their time here, but if they have gone 4 years without being permanently blacklisted, then it is probable that they are not the type of person who would do those things.

Another purpose for the system which has been confirmed is that it is meant to serve as "positive reinforcement". That is, it is supposed to give members something to look forward to as a reward for behaving well. Now, the system would stop to serve such a purpose as soon as members reached the maximum possible reward. In order to make sure that members do not reach the end too soon, the system has to be something that is very difficult to boost. Almost any achievements can be sped up in some way by "gaming" the system. One thing that can never be artificially boosted, however, is time. Time passes constantly for all people (relativity notwithstanding =P). Therefore, it would make sense for time to play a major factor in working towards the goal.

With that in mind, there are some technical aspects to consider. It is likely that there are other factors taken into account which would increase the speed with which "good points" are accumulated. This would help seperate users, and push the truly good and valuable members over the merely "not bad" users. However, it is likely that such an increase would be on top of the points credited for time. So why are some members who have never posted --at least since the system has been recording -- mythic members, even though they have not had any points from activity? The simple answer is that they have been here for so long that they have accumulated enough points based on time alone. The fact that they have never posted since recording began has helped this. A member who never posts cannot be blacklisted, and cannot receive a warning. So while they have not had the help of "activity points", they have also not had any penalties subtracted from thei score, allowing them to accrue points consistently.

Currently, this has created an odd predicament: users who have not helped this site in any way for half a decade have received the highest "reward" available. The important thing to remember is that time did not stop when the system became visible. Members are still moving forward. And as these new members move forward, the system is actively watching and modifying points as it sees fit. This means that as time goes on, the number of anomalies (and many current mythics are anomalies; unintended side effects of a global system) will decrease, and the system will begin to balance out.

An interesting point to note: with ever increasing population growth, the number of "promoted" accounts on all levels will begin to rise steadily as time passes. This will also mean that the number of active promoted accounts should be rising steadily as well.

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Posted by: kodemyster
Maybe it considers how many years you've been a member, not necessarily a member since 2002 or earlier. For example, maybe next year there will be

I actually addressed this in the main body of my post, but I wanted to make a more direct statement. That is certainly the case. And by certain, I don't mean "probably" or "almost certainly". No other system would make sense.

[Edited on 12.13.2007 11:24 PM PST]

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