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Posted by: WhiffleBallTony
Posted by: just another fan
Running turtle, skiptrace and nuchie aren't moderators for starters, Jim doesn't have any internet atm, and just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they aren't online. A lot of moderation happens behind the scenes.

Except for Maka, he's a special case.

Yes, I've been checking the profiles to see if they sign on or not, and they do, but many times when I come online, there are threads about Recon, spam, repeat topics, etc. Most of this is in the Halo 3 forum, and it seems like moderators go there the least out of any of the forums.


I agree, but the forums move incredibly fast. A moderator may be reading one post when a spam post is posted. When he leaves that post he will be back on the front page, with the spam post on the 3rd.

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Posted by: Qbix89
Whatever you said now didn't make too much sense. Actually, all your words were fighting each other.

My reply to you: I like chicken, it's especially good with rice.


With all due respect I have no idea how you could have not understood what I posted. I mean assuming that you read the quotes that I put in before it. Even if you didn’t read the quotes I summed it all up in the last paragraph. I don’t know what else to tell you man.


Posted by: x Foman123 x
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The point is we should only have as many mods as we need. No less and no more. (I put less before more for a reason.)
No offense, Nedge, but I don't really see the reasoning or logic behind this statement. If you only needed 20 police officers to keep a city from falling into mayhem, but you could reasonably have 30 police officers, which would help the city respond to 911 calls faster, then why not go with 30?

You don't need them, and it can be hard to find 10 people who you trust with a gun and extreme power, so maybe you don't hire them. But it sure wouldn't hurt anything if you could, right?

Here's a quote that I thought was (barely) appropriate at this point and that might be good for a chuckle:
STAN
I need to talk about your flair.

JOANNA
Really? I have 15 buttons on. I, uh....

STAN
Well, ok, 15 is minimum, ok?

JOANNA
Ok.

STAN
Now, it's up to you whether or not you want to just do the bare
minimum. Well, like Brian, for example, has 37 pieces of flair. And a
terrific smile.

JOANNA
Ok. Ok, you want me to wear more?

STAN
Look. Joanna.

JOANNA
Yeah.

STAN
People can get a cheeseburger anywhere, ok? They come to Chotchkie's
for the atmosphere and the attitude. That's what the flair's about.
It's about fun.

JOANNA
Ok. So, more then?

STAN
Look, we want you to express yourself, ok? If you think the bare
minimum is enough, then ok. But some people choose to wear more and we
encourage that, ok? You do want to express yourself, don't you?



Well sir, I don’t really see the power of a mod as flair (although I really do only care about the cheeseburger), but I do see it more like the police officer scenario. Would I have more officers on patrol even if I didn’t need them? Not really. I would only want what I could put to good use.

The reasons being:
1) Even if they didn't abuse their power in the slightest, they would have to be managed and looked after (and I can't make more of myself in order to do that).
2) They would just be stepping over each other trying to do the same job.
3) Just like if you were walking down the street and saw a bunch of police officers, it would make even law abiding citizen nervous. It makes you tend to think that something bad is going to happen, even when it isn't.

Imagine if you will, you look out of your window and one police officer is standing outside your door. Okay, no big deal. Now imagine three. See the difference just two officers can make. Maybe this isn’t the same thing but given the analogies handed out so far this is the best I can do to explain myself.


[Edited on 12.14.2007 2:24 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2007 2:23 PM PDT

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I would just like to see more, active moderators.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Nedge
Well sir, I don’t really see the power of a mod as flair (although I really do only care about the cheeseburger), but I do see it more like the police officer scenario. Would I have more officers on patrol even if I didn’t need them? Not really. I would only want what I could put to good use.

The reasons being:
1) Even if they didn't abuse their power in the slightest, they would have to be managed and looked after (and I can't make more of myself in order to do that).
2) They would just be stepping over each other trying to do the same job.
3) Just like if you were walking down the street and saw a bunch of police officers, it would make even law abiding citizen nervous. It makes you tend to think that something bad is going to happen, even when it isn't.

Imagine if you will, you look out of your window and one police officer is standing outside your door. Okay, no big deal. Now imagine three. See the difference just two officers can make. Maybe this isn’t the same thing but given the analogies handed out so far this is the best I can do to explain myself.
I totally understand, but I think a couple of things about that. First, there are times of high moderator visibility on these forums (in the mid-to-late afternoon, Bungie time, for example), and I don't think that they require more management or step on each other really. And they certainly don't make rule-abiding forumgoers nervous.

To continue the analogy, though, and to equate it to the situation of BNet at certain times, it would be more like saying to the public, "All of our police officers are going to go on duty whenever they feel like it and have the time. If some minor traffic accident happens at, say, 2:00 AM, and no police officers are around, just wait until one shows up." Although a police officer's immediate assistance in this situation might not be necessary, it sure would be preferable over having to wait until one shows up. And if more police are hired, there is more likely to be one on duty. Even though you don't need the extra officer to be on duty, it's a nice thing to have around and doesn't necessarily mean that you should have only the bare minimum number of officers. Get what I mean?

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: Nedge
Well sir, I don’t really see the power of a mod as flair (although I really do only care about the cheeseburger), but I do see it more like the police officer scenario. Would I have more officers on patrol even if I didn’t need them? Not really. I would only want what I could put to good use.

The reasons being:
1) Even if they didn't abuse their power in the slightest, they would have to be managed and looked after (and I can't make more of myself in order to do that).
2) They would just be stepping over each other trying to do the same job.
3) Just like if you were walking down the street and saw a bunch of police officers, it would make even law abiding citizen nervous. It makes you tend to think that something bad is going to happen, even when it isn't.

Imagine if you will, you look out of your window and one police officer is standing outside your door. Okay, no big deal. Now imagine three. See the difference just two officers can make. Maybe this isn’t the same thing but given the analogies handed out so far this is the best I can do to explain myself.
I totally understand, but I think a couple of things about that. First, there are times of high moderator visibility on these forums (in the mid-to-late afternoon, Bungie time, for example), and I don't think that they require more management or step on each other really. And they certainly don't make rule-abiding forumgoers nervous.

To continue the analogy, though, and to equate it to the situation of BNet at certain times, it would be more like saying to the public, "All of our police officers are going to go on duty whenever they feel like it and have the time. If some minor traffic accident happens at, say, 2:00 AM, and no police officers are around, just wait until one shows up." Although a police officer's immediate assistance in this situation might not be necessary, it sure would be preferable over having to wait until one shows up. And if more police are hired, there is more likely to be one on duty. Even though you don't need the extra officer to be on duty, it's a nice thing to have around and doesn't necessarily mean that you should have only the bare minimum number of officers. Get what I mean?


Well the report as spam feature is a nice "police cop" button.

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We have enough mods.

  • 12.14.2007 3:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
I totally understand, but I think a couple of things about that. First, there are times of high moderator visibility on these forums (in the mid-to-late afternoon, Bungie time, for example), and I don't think that they require more management or step on each other really. And they certainly don't make rule-abiding forumgoers nervous.

To continue the analogy, though, and to equate it to the situation of BNet at certain times, it would be more like saying to the public, "All of our police officers are going to go on duty whenever they feel like it and have the time. If some minor traffic accident happens at, say, 2:00 AM, and no police officers are around, just wait until one shows up." Although a police officer's immediate assistance in this situation might not be necessary, it sure would be preferable over having to wait until one shows up. And if more police are hired, there is more likely to be one on duty. Even though you don't need the extra officer to be on duty, it's a nice thing to have around and doesn't necessarily mean that you should have only the bare minimum number of officers. Get what I mean?


Yes, and you do make a good point. I guess what I'm really getting at with my point (which it looks like you get) is simply that too many mods can be a bad thing. How many is too many? I don't know. Maybe I'm just over thinking this issue. Regardless, there have been several times within the past few months that the community has asked for more mods and it hasn't happened. Whether or not it will happen is yet to be seen, but with the spam button being implemented the odds are severely reduced.

[Edited on 12.14.2007 3:56 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2007 3:55 PM PDT

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Quinntology.

I think these guys do a pretty good job with how few moderators there are. Yes, the new report button helps, but these guys were doing pretty well before it. We don't want too many moderators however, because it causes a conflict in opinion and ideas. The "regulars" at the moment, mostly agree on certain issues.

Everyone has to remember though that these guys are not getting paid to do this moderating buisness. Therefore, if they don't feel like coming online one day or they cannot come online for a day, it doesn't really matter. These guys have real lives, they don't eat, sleep, and breath Bungie.net. Believe it or not, video games aren't the only important things in the world.

  • 12.14.2007 4:21 PM PDT
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I find many of the Mods here have an "I'm here to punish you, not to help you" attitude. Mods that are more helpful, when asked a question, would be nice. People that keep the masses informed would be nice. I'm not sure if it's more mods that b.net needs or just more active mods that b.net needs.

I know mods don't have to be active to do there job, but it makes for a better forum in the long run. People seeing active mods on a daily basis discourages bad behaviour. What's the point of creating a 'troll thread' if it's only going to last 2 mins? Or what’s the point of trying to flame someone, if you know a Mod is going to come ban you before you even get a response. This also creates closer community, if people are able to regularly interact with the Mods.

Mods should be friendly and helpful. You don't need to be all "I'm a big bad ninja" all the time. Save that stuff for when someone gets outta hand.

This post is entirely opinion, take it as you will.

  • 12.20.2007 11:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: just another fan
Running turtle, skiptrace and nuchie aren't moderators for starters, Jim doesn't have any internet atm, and just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they aren't online. A lot of moderation happens behind the scenes.

Except for Maka, he's a special case.


If I remember correctly, isn't he in college? I'm assuming you are more informed on his whereabouts.. so, do you think we'll be seeing much of him around here ever again?

  • 12.21.2007 9:22 AM PDT
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"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who"

Personally I think we need more mods to pull a GJJ and just ban entire threads for responding to spam. I haven't seen that happen lately, and it needs to happen more oftern. Responding to spam is the number 1 problem with the bnet forums.

  • 12.21.2007 9:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: Accidentus
Personally I think we need more mods to pull a GJJ and just ban entire threads for responding to spam. I haven't seen that happen lately, and it needs to happen more oftern. Responding to spam is the number 1 problem with the bnet forums.

That would put off a lot of users that would be otherwise well-mannered if it wasn't for those who start the spam thread. And what about those people that post in spam threads just to tell the person that the thread is going to be lock and/or the person is going to be blacklisted? Should they be met with a ban as well? Granted there are those that need to be smited, but once an example is made there is no need to go on a banning spree (...well some times there is).

  • 12.21.2007 11:02 AM PDT
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I was going to say no but now that I've seen the halo 3 forum my answer is a definite "YES!"

  • 02.02.2008 10:19 PM PDT
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No, now that we have a Spam button, we don't need more mods. A lot of things used to go unmodded because PMing was just far to strenous. Now, we have a report button, it's simple. Click the button. Someone will swoop in and lock it.

  • 02.02.2008 10:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: High Truth
No, now that we have a Spam button, we don't need more mods. A lot of things used to go unmodded because PMing was just far to strenous. Now, we have a report button, it's simple. Click the button. Someone will swoop in and lock it.


Yes, but eventually the halo 3 forum for example can have no one moderating it for a little bit and it goes down the drain.

  • 02.02.2008 10:26 PM PDT

I'm an Anarchist. I don't need a government to be a good person, but I'm glad it's here because some of you clearly do.

I believe Bungie should have a whole hell of a lot more moderators, but make it so they don't look like moderators. Make it look like they're normal members. Undercover, you know? It'd work better, and then they wouldn't be treated so well by ass-kissing normal members.

  • 02.02.2008 10:38 PM PDT

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The moderation does seem a bit short-staffed to me.

  • 02.02.2008 10:41 PM PDT

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.

Yes, they should be banned because if the original poster didn't read the rules and stickies, then he should get the banhammer without any warning. People telling others that a thread is going to be locked results in huge amounts of spam as 20 users are stating the same thing over and over again, while bumping it, instead of ignoring the post and just reporting it.
I think the mods are too lenient actually. EVERYBODY who posts in a spam or stupid (racist) thread should be banned immediately until every user who posts in those threads learns their lesson. If they never get banned they'll just keep doing it and doing it. I thought there was a an immediate ban policy for spam topics anyways.

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Posted by: Accidentus
Personally I think we need more mods to pull a GJJ and just ban entire threads for responding to spam. I haven't seen that happen lately, and it needs to happen more oftern. Responding to spam is the number 1 problem with the bnet forums.

That would put off a lot of users that would be otherwise well-mannered if it wasn't for those who start the spam thread. And what about those people that post in spam threads just to tell the person that the thread is going to be lock and/or the person is going to be blacklisted? Should they be met with a ban as well? Granted there are those that need to be smited, but once an example is made there is no need to go on a banning spree (...well some times there is).


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Edit: I was too tired to notice that someone brought this old thread back up. Hence, my reply is removed.

Grr

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Whoa! Epic bump. I'm locking this now. No moar mods 4 u.

We're fine.

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