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Subject: We need more moderators.

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Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

The problem deals with the report as spam feature. I would imagine that the system requires at least a certain amount of "clicks" before the post actually gets sent to Mods queue. When few people are online a spammer can post as much as they want. Not enough people click the "report as spam" button to get it on the queue and the mods aren't on deal with it first hand. That's fine, I have no disillusions of instant banning responses from mods but I've noticed less interaction of many of them recently. That's fine too, I understand that it's the holidays and people are busy with family and jolly stuff etc., but the holidays also brings more users to the website.

So, the point is that I can understand the "frustration" that some members have. I also understand the various reasons why there might be less mod coverage at this point in time. Whether or not Tom wants to appoint new mods is always going to be his prerogative. I also realize that he's insanely busy with other things, like doing the new "report" button and the titles. I think he's also working on requiring a linked gold GT to post in Optimatch.

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  • 12.19.2007 1:06 PM PDT
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True , but why make some things they know might now work as intended ?
The Optimatch idea sounds good , but a lot of people use old accounts here with old gt's , so it might not work for them .. then they get angry and start flame wars and a lot of spam ..
It's all good in nature but will it work as intended ?
A couple of new mods that are active would be good . IMO .
But thats the thing , how do you pick new mods ?

I mean , I want to be a mod , but I know that I probably won't be picked if they do start getting new mods .I have exp from other websites and forums , but they probably would pick people they know .If it comes to that .

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  • 12.19.2007 1:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
The problem deals with the report as spam feature. I would imagine that the system requires at least a certain amount of "clicks" before the post actually gets sent to Mods queue. When few people are online a spammer can post as much as they want. Not enough people click the "report as spam" button to get it on the queue and the mods aren't on deal with it first hand.

~B.B.


If that is indeed true, perhaps it could be fixed with a percentage threshold, rather than a constant one.

Let's say, under the current situation, that there must be at least five reports filed for a single post to appear on the list, regardless of site activity. Now, if activity is low, those five reports are going to be harder to come by.

Now, if a percentage was introduced, posts that have 1% of the total number of reports in the past hour, they would be notified. For example, say 453 reports were made in the last hour; if any threads had 5, rounding up, reports, they would be published to the page to be dealt with. Now, if activity dropped to about 213 reports per hour, it would still take 1%, meaning 2 reports would be necessary to notify the moderators about the post.

Minimums and maximums could be set to prevent the moderators from being overwhelmed. Too few people reporting, and every report would make a thread convict of spam. Too many, and threads that deserve to be locked would slip between the cracks.

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Haha , I think that would be too complicated for this forum to comprehend =/
What type of forum is this anyways ?
Is it it's own server ? Or something like Vbulletin ?
That take a while to code don't you think ?

  • 12.19.2007 1:28 PM PDT
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Don't concern yourselves, really. Of all the people on the site, we are the ones who know how much we need/do not need new mods and we have established processes for each scenario. Talking about it doesn't change the chances of anything.

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We know it won't change anything .. just like .. hmm .. idunno .
But it's good to let someone else know .. you know ? haha

  • 12.19.2007 1:32 PM PDT

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Haha , I think that would be too complicated for this forum to comprehend =/
What type of forum is this anyways ?
Is it it's own server ? Or something like Vbulletin ?
That take a while to code don't you think ?


Bungie.net uses it's own servers.

As far as coding, I haven't had any formal education in that field. Time making programs on my TI-83+, though, would tell me it's quite simple. A simple equation would determine the number of reports in the last sixty minutes. An input that is the number of reports of a particular thread would be divided by the previously mentioned hourly reports. If the quotient met or exceeded 0.010, then a no controller for whether or not a thread would be shown as subject to spam would change to a yes, and the thread would appear on the "list".

Of course, I could be entirely wrong in the way I'm approaching this, but I don't think it'd be too difficult at all.

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Yeah , it sounds simple , and it probably is for a mediocre coder.
But what if that's how the system is set up now ? =D
Either way that is a good idea .

  • 12.19.2007 1:39 PM PDT
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So now I'm a beta tester. Let's see where this goes.

I have seen numerous requests for new mods recently. I don't know if we really need them but I do know that asking for anything around here is generally met with the same negative response. I understand the concern being expressed but really the best thing we can do is just wait and see what happens... oh and use the spam button.

  • 12.19.2007 2:35 PM PDT
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Man we need TGp back with his quote.

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  • 12.19.2007 2:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

I'll say the same thing that I said in the post about more mods a couple days ago, and the post about more mods a couple days before that.

Do we need more moderators? No. Would more moderators be nice to have? Yes.

To respond to a few various comments and continue with Recon's analogy:

In either scenario, the forums or the circus, there is rarely such thing as a forum (or elephant poop) "emergency." A pile of elephant poop is not an emergency. That much I agree with.

The real question, though, Recon, is whether your circus is perceived as dirty and unpleasant. Because here, it's not just one pile of elephant poop lying around. It is dozens or hundreds of piles, made by thousands of elephants. Sure, it's still not an emergency even then. But if you only have a few guys cleaning up the poop, and the elephants are pooping faster than they can clean it, the audience will come away with the feeling that the circus was unpleasant and dirty. They will not recommend it to their friends unless they and their friends happen to love elephant poop. The more cleanliness-conscious, hygenic members of society will avoid that particular circus in favor of cleaner ones. That leaves the people who care about the circus and want to see it succeed watching the show amongst a crowd of elephant poop lovers, who gleefully throw more piles of elephant poop into the ring and distract the others from enjoying the trapeze act.

The same concept metaphorically applies in its entirety to the forums, and so I'm glad you brought up this analogy.

So as I have said before: no, we do not "need" more moderators, but it sure wouldn't hurt. Except for Achronos, I have yet to see anybody -- moderators included --give an affirmative reason why we should not have more moderators. And Achronos's worry was one of trust in the people to be appointed, not in the logistics or practicality of adding them. The trust issue should be addressed head-on rather than avoided via the dubious and circuitous route of not appointing new moderators.

The report post button (the pager) is helping things out a lot (in fact, in my opinion, it is kicking ass), but the volume of complaints does not seem to be much diminished.

In conclusion, I still have not seen any reasons that we NEEEEEED more moderators, as the ones we have are doing great and the report post button helps them kick even more ass than before. But they are busy and have lives and things to do outside of cleaning up spam. And when they are on, sometimes it can be tough to keep up with the rate at which new bad posts are created (especially in replies rather than OPs).

I think that deep down, even if they don't say it, even if they don't pay attention to it, and even if they avoid it, the people who care about this place would like to see a little bit less elephant poop lying around.

[Edited on 12.19.2007 4:06 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2007 4:01 PM PDT
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So now I'm a beta tester. Let's see where this goes.

Posted by: x Foman123 x
I'll say the same thing that I said in the post about more mods a couple days ago, and the post about more mods a couple days before that.

Do we need more moderators? No. Would more moderators be nice to have? Yes.

To respond to a few various comments and continue with Recon's analogy:

In either scenario, the forums or the circus, there is rarely such thing as a forum (or elephant poop) "emergency." A pile of elephant poop is not an emergency. That much I agree with.

The real question, though, Recon, is whether your circus is perceived as dirty and unpleasant. Because here, it's not just one pile of elephant poop lying around. It is dozens or hundreds of piles, made by thousands of elephants. Sure, it's still not an emergency even then. But if you only have a few guys cleaning up the poop, and the elephants are pooping faster than they can clean it, the audience will come away with the feeling that the circus was unpleasant and dirty. They will not recommend it to their friends unless they and their friends happen to love elephant poop. The more cleanliness-conscious, hygenic members of society will avoid that particular circus in favor of cleaner ones. That leaves the people who care about the circus and want to see it succeed watching the show amongst a crowd of elephant poop lovers, who gleefully throw more piles of elephant poop into the ring and distract the others from enjoying the trapeze act.

The same concept metaphorically applies in its entirety to the forums, and so I'm glad you brought up this analogy.

So as I have said before: no, we do not "need" more moderators, but it sure wouldn't hurt. Except for Achronos, I have yet to see anybody -- moderators included --give an affirmative reason why we should not have more moderators. And Achronos's worry was one of trust in the people to be appointed, not in the logistics or practicality of adding them. The trust issue should be addressed head-on rather than avoided via the dubious and circuitous route of not appointing new moderators.

The report post button (the pager) is helping things out a lot (in fact, in my opinion, it is kicking ass), but the volume of complaints does not seem to be much diminished.

In conclusion, I still have not seen any reasons that we NEEEEEED more moderators, as the ones we have are doing great and the report post button helps them kick even more ass than before. But they are busy and have lives and things to do outside of cleaning up spam. And when they are on, sometimes it can be tough to keep up with the rate at which new bad posts are created (especially in replies rather than OPs).

But I think that deep down, even if they don't say it, the people who care about this place would like to see a little bit less elephant poop lying around.


My word Foman. You have probably just made the best stance on having more mods I have read yet. Usually I can find a reason to explain why we don't need more mods but seeing as you didn't take that route I am left with saying that you make a good point. Unfortunately I whole heartedly believe that we aren't going to have any new mods anytime soon. I think that they are waiting to see just how effective the spam button is on a long term scale.

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  • 12.19.2007 4:13 PM PDT

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  • 12.19.2007 4:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Anton P Nym
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Crack will do that sometimes.

j/k. The new "Report as Spam" kind of makes everyone a bit of a moderator. I use it a lot in the Halo 3 files forum when someone bumps their own thread. Or whenever I see a bad thread, I just have to push a button. It might not be like Recon's murderous "Open all links" button and ban everyone at once, but it helps and its a starter.

  • 12.19.2007 4:40 PM PDT

Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for "better treatment"? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth, you'd get a lot of free games.

Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

I am good at making giantantic walls of metophorical/hyperbolus texts. Maybe even better than Recon.

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
I'll say the same thing that I said in the post about more mods a couple days ago, and the post about more mods a couple days before that.

Do we need more moderators? No. Would more moderators be nice to have? Yes.

To respond to a few various comments and continue with Recon's analogy:

In either scenario, the forums or the circus, there is rarely such thing as a forum (or elephant poop) "emergency." A pile of elephant poop is not an emergency. That much I agree with.

The real question, though, Recon, is whether your circus is perceived as dirty and unpleasant. Because here, it's not just one pile of elephant poop lying around. It is dozens or hundreds of piles, made by thousands of elephants. Sure, it's still not an emergency even then. But if you only have a few guys cleaning up the poop, and the elephants are pooping faster than they can clean it, the audience will come away with the feeling that the circus was unpleasant and dirty. They will not recommend it to their friends unless they and their friends happen to love elephant poop. The more cleanliness-conscious, hygenic members of society will avoid that particular circus in favor of cleaner ones. That leaves the people who care about the circus and want to see it succeed watching the show amongst a crowd of elephant poop lovers, who gleefully throw more piles of elephant poop into the ring and distract the others from enjoying the trapeze act.

The same concept metaphorically applies in its entirety to the forums, and so I'm glad you brought up this analogy.

So as I have said before: no, we do not "need" more moderators, but it sure wouldn't hurt. Except for Achronos, I have yet to see anybody -- moderators included --give an affirmative reason why we should not have more moderators. And Achronos's worry was one of trust in the people to be appointed, not in the logistics or practicality of adding them. The trust issue should be addressed head-on rather than avoided via the dubious and circuitous route of not appointing new moderators.

The report post button (the pager) is helping things out a lot (in fact, in my opinion, it is kicking ass), but the volume of complaints does not seem to be much diminished.

In conclusion, I still have not seen any reasons that we NEEEEEED more moderators, as the ones we have are doing great and the report post button helps them kick even more ass than before. But they are busy and have lives and things to do outside of cleaning up spam. And when they are on, sometimes it can be tough to keep up with the rate at which new bad posts are created (especially in replies rather than OPs).

But I think that deep down, even if they don't say it, the people who care about this place would like to see a little bit less elephant poop lying around.


My word Foman. You have probably just made the best stance on having more mods I have read yet. Usually I can find a reason to explain why we don't need more mods but seeing as you didn't take that route I am left with saying that you make a good point. Unfortunately I whole heartedly believe that we aren't going to have any new mods anytime soon. I think that they are waiting to see just how effective the spam button is on a long term scale.


In Foman we trust .. if he makes me mod . haha .
Yeah , no more elephant poop FTW !


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  • 12.19.2007 8:33 PM PDT

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We need less idiots. I think the current moderators get to the problem(s), on your time or their time, and handle it appropriately every time. If people would stop complaining about the problems, that in turn create unintended spam, then the forums wouldn't look half as bad.

Complaining about the problem isn't going to fix it. Solving the problem requires two things:

1) Click the "Report as Spam" button or PM/Message/Contact a Moderator.
2) Have Patience/Faith...however you want to split it.

Once you do that then continue on your merry way posting nicely, behaving, getting along with others, and taking appropriate steps to avoid spam/problems/etc.

  • 12.19.2007 11:55 PM PDT

Ever since the report as spam button has come online I have noticed a huge drop in pointless threads, flaming, trolling, and spam throughout the forums. IMO there are enough mods now to get the job done, the longest I have seen a ''bad'' post left alone is about two hours. I don't really see why people think that someones spam has to be dealt with right away. Who is it hurting if it is there for a couple hours, besides the people that post ''in before the lock'', and may possibly get in trouble for adding to the spam? You know the people that do things as described in this post. Again IMO if you are going to do something that dumb you should be punished. In closing, I think the system works fine as is with the mods we have and if its not broke, why try to fix it?

  • 12.20.2007 12:08 AM PDT
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Is it just my imagination, or have people lost the instinct to ignore bull-blam!-, and instead hone in on it and complain about it mercilessly?

We've given you a button, use it.
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  • 12.20.2007 1:21 AM PDT

I Must not have gotten my view across properly to some people.

I am not complaining per se, just making a suggestion that would help "Clean up the elephant poop" as Recon would put it. If you look at my post history I have only once posted in a Spam topic and that was because I was getting sick of seeing about 20 recon threads in one day (I had done the Report as Spam button for all the others and simply ignored them) but one was taking ages to be locked so I tried to get people to stop posting in it (And was subsequently warned by Ash55 even though I reported said topic to the most recently active moderators (I think Ash was one of them))

And PGT, I do ignore Bull-blam!-, I simply Report it (Prior to the Report as Spam button I reported plenty of threads to moderators and most were locked fairly quickly) but its when topics like them Pillage spoils Halo 3 and the over the top bumping/cross posting/Advertising in the files forums goes on for quite a while due to no moderators being online when it happens, as Foman would say, the circus becomes a dirty elephant poop filled mess. While it is great the poop shovelers do clean it up eventually (Sorry Recon, I had to twist it like that ;-) ) it still leaves a scar on the parade grounds.

  • 12.20.2007 5:36 AM PDT

Posted by: Friends Forever
We don't need more moderators.. we just need good moderators unlike most of the ones we have...
Name one moderator who hasnt done their job properly?

  • 12.20.2007 5:49 AM PDT
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Is it just my imagination, or have people lost the instinct to ignore bull-blam!-, and instead hone in on it and complain about it mercilessly?

We've given you a button, use it.
-TGP-


People are just inclined to say more about the bad than the good. Thats why you more spam posts than discussions.

  • 12.20.2007 6:07 AM PDT