- last post: 01.01.0001 12:00 AM PDT
Posted by: UL7IM4 G33K
Posted by: CAVX
The arguments against the OP are ridiculous.
First of all, this was much more than a minor reference. It was blatantly obvious. Even the worst shows on TV aren't allowed to make those references that obvious. I remember an episode of Family Guy where they were trying to imply that same thing after a man gives a woman a diamond in a fake commercial, with the slogan saying "Diamonds: She'll pretty much have to," and in the director's commentary Seth MacFarlane was saying how they were arguing with the FCC on exactly how many frames of the girl moving down they could show. In the end you wouldn't even be able to tell without the slogan at the end.
Also, it's not about how much kids already know. Sure, most young kids already know about stuff like that. And yes, the parents should be protecting their kids from it. That does not mean that ratings or anything else shouldn't be there. That's just a ridiculous assertion. Content should still be filtered to try and protect children from that kind of thing.
Honestly, I would have been fine with this video if Frankie had suggested that there was some blatant -blam!- themes in the movie. The Halo games are rated mature, but Bungie.net is not. Sure, there's that M sticker at the bottom, but that's not even visible unless you scroll that far down, and that little sticker is there to show Halo's rating, not the rating of the website.
I also think that -blam!- references are worse than violence references to children. Violence has been shown to kids even in shows like "Tom and Jerry" and really don't transmit the urge to commit violent acts oneself. -blam!- references are much worse and just don't do good things to kids' minds.
The point is, the video WAS posted on the front page without any warning (or even a description). Which I don't agree with either.
The argument that it's the problem of Newgrounds because they linked to a neutral content page doesn't fly with me. The video is actually embedded in the page that they linked to, and there's no obvious warning on Newgrounds either. You mean to tell me that Bungie shouldn't have to do anything because the video is on Newgrounds? They still linked to it! People have some sort of strange perception that when a site links a user to a website, it is okay as long as the first page contains no direct explicit content. That's not true. A site who gives links to a page that even indirectly shows content like that (i.e. external links, ads, etc.) should be held responsible for those links. And I know that it's how Bungie monitors links to content. I've seen a few people indirectly link to bad stuff here through an otherwise neutral site and they were treated the same as the people who directly linked to it.
The point is, I don't agree with it, and I don't see how you can argue that it's fine because other forms of media show it and that the parents should take part in censoring their children's material.
I completely agree. While the game is M, the site is not (ESRB rates games, not forums). If anyone should know better, its Frankie. Something with the content this video had has no place on the front page of Bungie's website. Try and at least think about the people visiting this place. If its on the front page, ANYONE can see it, not just members or a few select forum goers. Anyone who just felt like browsing one day can click the link and be instantly put off. It should be more representative of Bungie as a whole, and so far this doesn't paint a pretty picture.
Posted by: Duardo
adult content=pr0nography/nudity.
That should end the discussion.
So if they are doing it with clothes on, then it isn't adult?
And about the "Bungie's site, Bungie's rules." They broke the very rules they set up. If they don't follow them, what incentive does that give us to? Breaking your own rules just shows that they don't give a damn about the community or how it works.
I agree completely. Very irresponsible on Bungie's part.