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Subject: Awarding custom avatars to good community members.

Seeing on how the only way to get a custom avatar these days is to become a moderator or perhaps a theme master.

I was thinking that, wouldn't it be such a great idea to award custom avatars to members of the site if they have a good community record?

This will benefit those who are good members, along with encouraging others to become a better community member.

If someone with a custom avatar gets blacklisted, they will go back to the default avatar and lose the privilege until granted again.

I was also thinking that since there are so many members (and yes, lots of good members) that perhaps the moderators could put forth recommendations to Achronos or whoever.

So just a thought to ponder, let me know what you all think.

  • 12.19.2007 3:49 PM PDT
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Back before the new title system was implemented community members asked not only for special titles but custom avatars for trusted members. Seeing as the new title system is based on trust employing it now should be a lot easier. Also I don't know if the email address to submit avatars still works but I haven't seen any new Theme Masters in a while.

  • 12.19.2007 4:23 PM PDT

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Perhaps, but only as a step after Mythic member.

Custom avatars aren't needed, though you can already customize them with profile emblems and armor variants.

  • 12.19.2007 4:27 PM PDT

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  • 12.19.2007 4:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Panzershreke
Now here's a truely unique and good idea! I really like this suggestion.


Seriously?

I don't think there should be any more "special" privelages. The member rating is more than enough. All a custom Avatar will do is promote more elitism and another way to spam.

  • 12.19.2007 4:30 PM PDT

I think that that would be pretty cool, but to me, it's always symblized that the person has done a special service for the community. Having a custom avatar means either that you've submitted avatars or themes and they've been accepted for use by the entire bungie.net community, or you've been an active member for a long time and you've proven that you can be trusted not only with the content of your own posts, but with the content of everyone else's (or, in at least one case, both).

I think that it's an okay idea, and I'm all for awarding the trusted members of the community, but I think that doling out custom avatars might be a tad too much. The titles seem to serve that purpose well enough, and we do have well over a hundred avatars to choose from, as well as the ability to use a snapshot or an emblem as an avatar.

  • 12.19.2007 4:33 PM PDT

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I am always in support of custom avatars. I think Achronos is blowing the whole 'Everyone will upload pr0nz' argument way out of proportion. So what if people do? We have moderators after all not only that but I don't think it would cause as much damage as people suspect.

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Before I thought this was a horrible idea, but with the new trust system I think it's great.

Give it to legendary members, as an award for being a good member, or something like that. Not only do we have custom titles, but we could have an award (like unlocking customizable armor) for being an active and productive member.

  • 12.19.2007 4:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Panzershreke
Now here's a truely unique and good idea! I really like this suggestion.


Seriously?

I don't think there should be any more "special" privelages. The member rating is more than enough. All a custom Avatar will do is promote more elitism and another way to spam.


When has this elitism affected you? I haven't seen anyone flash their rank at anyone to say that they are better in any way. I do think the custom avatar should be for the priviliged that can be trusted and not just adverage joe who just made a bnet account.

[Edited on 12.19.2007 6:02 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2007 4:44 PM PDT

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I don't feel that the trust system is adequate enough for this. While it works, it basis too much trust on time, and not enough on personal actions and behavior.

Not saying that it could do that kind of stuff automaticly, but we all know that many people who have simply left and come back have received advanced titles, but I don't feel that would warrant a custom avatar.

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Posted by: prometheus25
I don't feel that the trust system is adequate enough for this. While it works, it basis too much trust on time, and not enough on personal actions and behavior.

Not saying that it could do that kind of stuff automaticly, but we all know that many people who have simply left and come back have received advanced titles, but I don't feel that would warrant a custom avatar.

Which is why it should be an award for the highest rank, which is Legendary, right?

That way, it's not only time in the community that's a factor, but what that person has attributed, whether it be a forum guide, popular discussions, helped with the community, anything.

  • 12.19.2007 4:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25
I don't feel that the trust system is adequate enough for this. While it works, it basis too much trust on time, and not enough on personal actions and behavior.

Not saying that it could do that kind of stuff automaticly, but we all know that many people who have simply left and come back have received advanced titles, but I don't feel that would warrant a custom avatar.

Which is why it should be an award for the highest rank, which is Legendary, right?

That way, it's not only time in the community that's a factor, but what that person has attributed, whether it be a forum guide, popular discussions, helped with the community, anything.


Mythic is the highest, one above Legendary. It's still time, however, that has the greatest affect on trust. This isn't bad, necessarily, for giving simple ranks, but something as notable as custom avatars, I think, would require personal attention by the adminitrator, and not some automated algorithm.

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I don't feel that the trust system is adequate enough for this. While it works, it basis too much trust on time, and not enough on personal actions and behavior.

Not saying that it could do that kind of stuff automaticly, but we all know that many people who have simply left and come back have received advanced titles, but I don't feel that would warrant a custom avatar.

Which is why it should be an award for the highest rank, which is Legendary, right?

That way, it's not only time in the community that's a factor, but what that person has attributed, whether it be a forum guide, popular discussions, helped with the community, anything.


Mythic is the highest, one above Legendary. It's still time, however, that has the greatest affect on trust. This isn't bad, necessarily, for giving simple ranks, but something as notable as custom avatars, I think, would require personal attention by the adminitrator, and not some automated algorithm.

Well, if a member has managed to stay on the forums for 2 years with a pretty clean record, I would say that's a valid reason to trust him/her.

  • 12.19.2007 5:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: prometheus25
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Posted by: prometheus25
I don't feel that the trust system is adequate enough for this. While it works, it basis too much trust on time, and not enough on personal actions and behavior.

Not saying that it could do that kind of stuff automaticly, but we all know that many people who have simply left and come back have received advanced titles, but I don't feel that would warrant a custom avatar.

Which is why it should be an award for the highest rank, which is Legendary, right?

That way, it's not only time in the community that's a factor, but what that person has attributed, whether it be a forum guide, popular discussions, helped with the community, anything.


Mythic is the highest, one above Legendary. It's still time, however, that has the greatest affect on trust. This isn't bad, necessarily, for giving simple ranks, but something as notable as custom avatars, I think, would require personal attention by the adminitrator, and not some automated algorithm.

Well, if a member has managed to stay on the forums for 2 years with a pretty clean record, I would say that's a valid reason to trust him/her.


I would, too. Unfortunately, not everyone has exactly been here during that time period. Too many have just signed in just enough to keep their account from being deleted, and to reward that contribution (not bad contribution, mind you, but it certainly isn't good) with custom avatars would be distasteful to me.

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Posted by: Panzershreke
Now here's a truely unique and good idea! I really like this suggestion.


Seriously?

I don't think there should be any more "special" privelages. The member rating is more than enough. All a custom Avatar will do is promote more elitism and another way to spam.
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  • 12.19.2007 5:11 PM PDT

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Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words - "mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.

not a good idea. Although I think most people wouldn't flaunt a pic as much as a rating.

  • 12.19.2007 5:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Panzershreke
Now here's a truely unique and good idea! I really like this suggestion.


Seriously?

I don't think there should be any more "special" privelages. The member rating is more than enough. All a custom Avatar will do is promote more elitism and another way to spam.


When has this elitism effected you? I haven't seen anyone flash their rank at anyone to say that they are better in any way. I do think the custom avatar should be for the priviliged that can be trusted and not just adverage joe who just made a bnet account.


It never affects me because I ignore it. But how soon will you start seeing, "What do you know, you're only a 'member' and you don't have a special picture." ? It's already going on in the H3 forums with the whole, "You're only a lvl x." Elitism is annoying and shouldn't be given any further ammunition.

[Edited on 12.19.2007 5:39 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2007 5:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: ID Phoenix
[quote]Posted by: Panzershreke
It never affects me because I ignore it. But how soon will you start seeing, "What do you know, you're only a 'member' and you don't have a special picture." ? It's already going on in the H3 forums with the whole, "You're only a lvl x." Elitism is annoying and shouldn't be given any further ammunition.


I'll more aptly judge people on their behavior, and not their standing.

For example, trying to derail an argument based on a non-related error or opinion strikes me as arrogant, and disuades me from the writer's point.

And, as Achronos said, unnecessary steps have been tried to eliminate elitism, but people always come up with something new, so why even bother?

  • 12.19.2007 5:47 PM PDT

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[quote]Posted by: Panzershreke
It never affects me because I ignore it. But how soon will you start seeing, "What do you know, you're only a 'member' and you don't have a special picture." ? It's already going on in the H3 forums with the whole, "You're only a lvl x." Elitism is annoying and shouldn't be given any further ammunition.


I'll more aptly judge people on their behavior, and not their standing.

For example, trying to derail an argument based on a non-related error or opinion strikes me as arrogant, and disuades me from the writer's point.

And, as Achronos said, unnecessary steps have been tried to eliminate elitism, but people always come up with something new, so why even bother?


I see it as making a correction not derailing anyone's arguement.

Anyway, I actually think this would be a good idea. Screenshots from the game that are already monitered and can be reported as spam for use as an avatar would be cool. Only, if it were available to everybody though. Not just certain members.

  • 12.19.2007 5:50 PM PDT

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Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: ID Phoenix
I see it as making a correction not derailing anyone's arguement.

Anyway, I actually think this would be a good idea. Screenshots from the game that are already monitered and can be reported as spam for use as an avatar would be cool. Only, if it were available to everybody though. Not just certain members.


I don't understand a few things. If it was just a correction, why the unnecessary HTML tags? Surely just using the word correctly yourself, at most PMing the person about the differences between the two meanings of affects and effects, would have been enough. Of course, you were just making sure he got the point, right?

You're right that custom screenshot avatars could be monitored by moderators, but can they take care of them along with their other duties as moderators, their personal agenda as members, and their non-site activities. I'm definately not for giving anyone unnecessary work just because I want something; goes against my morals.

  • 12.19.2007 5:57 PM PDT

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I see it as making a correction not derailing anyone's arguement.

Anyway, I actually think this would be a good idea. Screenshots from the game that are already monitered and can be reported as spam for use as an avatar would be cool. Only, if it were available to everybody though. Not just certain members.


I don't understand a few things. If it was just a correction, why the unnecessary HTML tags? Surely just using the word correctly yourself, at most PMing the person about the differences between the two meanings of affects and effects, would have been enough. Of course, you were just making sure he got the point, right?

You're right that custom screenshot avatars could be monitored by moderators, but can they take care of them along with their other duties as moderators, their personal agenda as members, and their non-site activities. I'm definately not for giving anyone unnecessary work just because I want something; goes against my morals.


Actually looking at it from a different perspective it does seem arrogant and inconsiderate of me. I concede the point and Panzershreke I apologize if I offended you or made it seem as if I was trying to make you look stupid. That was not my intention. Thanks for pointing that out to me prometheus25.

As far as the custom screenshot avatars, I'm not sure what kind of work would be required to do such a thing, but if as you say, it would be a substantial amount more effort then I say nay. I also do not like making other people jobs harder than they are.

[Edited on 12.19.2007 6:03 PM PST]

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I think that if it was an automated system that awards the privilage of uploading your own avatar, it may be abused. If the recipients of this were hand picked, I think that would be pretty good. I think we have a pretty good selection to choose from right now though. By the way, i've seen them, but what do theme masters do?

[Edited on 12.19.2007 6:02 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2007 6:02 PM PDT

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I definetly don't think that it should be run solely on an automated system such as the trust system, rather you can be nominated for it my mods & Bungie personel.

  • 12.19.2007 6:04 PM PDT

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I definetly don't think that it should be run solely on an automated system such as the trust system, rather you can be nominated for it my mods & Bungie personel.


Again, that would add more of a load to the work they already have and I'm not sure they would be up to that task.

  • 12.19.2007 6:05 PM PDT

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