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Subject: Building a better Bungie.net member

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

I'm thinking it'd be a fun little experiment to see what people believe makes a positive Bungie.net Community Member, or perhaps a negative one. List, in a few words, what makes a person a valuable asset to the community and/or what makes an individual a not-so-missed member. Back up your characteristics with a little explanation, maybe an example or two (without using names, for appropriateness' sake), and what could be done, from the member's perspective or that of Bungie.net (Mods/other Members) to improve those flaws. Let's be a bit creative/deep, and steer away from the obvious choices of grammar, social cooperativeness, or general jerkery; be specific, is what I'm saying.

Starting out, one large thing I think really helps a member is his word choices. Specifically when trying to state opinion(s), I find it extremely irritating, almost to the point of offense, when their posts come off as trying to declare fact, and those members that can express their views without feeling too pushy have a significant advantage on the forums. They aren't likely to rub elbows with other people, and their posts are much easier to respond to.

On a negative point, I find threads with very ambiguous titles, or titles that don't relate to the thread at all, largely disappointing. Such things like "What do you think?" (a poor side affect of the poll title override property of Bungie.net), "I need help", or "Have you seen this?!" are prime examples of this, and I find myself holding very low expectations of the content that it advertises, as well as coming to the conclusion that the title's lack of ability to tell a glancing member what the thread is about aids the multiple-thread problem that plagues this site.

  • 12.21.2007 9:26 PM PDT
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While wording and professionalism both matter a lot to me, what matters more is that people need to respect the standards, beliefs, and opinions of everyone else. I think more people around here have to remember that. And while the more thought-out posts are good, some people look at them and assume them to be right and correct. In many cases they aren't, and in almost every case the statements are just opinion. You can still disagree with things here, even if they're professional posts. You just might have to whip up some examples and points in your reply.

Something that really gets on my nerves is when people think of these forums as a contest to either a) have the most popular thread, or b) broadcast their opinion while denying any counterclaims. The former can easily be seen by things like constant blatant bumping or even "disguised" bumping as well as things like cross-posting or inciting argument as a method to make a thread a hot topic. The latter is often shown through one-sided polls or polls with biased options, starting a new thread when the response should have been a reply, and many other things. Note that most of these things do break the forum rules, but I always still see these attitudes a lot and I don't like it.

[Edited on 12.21.2007 9:42 PM PST]

  • 12.21.2007 9:36 PM PDT

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It may be a bit discriminatory to those with English as a second language (whom there could be exceptions for by definition of country), I scorn the abuse of Caps Lock key. Along with this goes the rambling and complete disregard of spelling that I've seen before. I'm pretty sure CAVX covered the majority of what I can think of right now though.

  • 12.21.2007 9:43 PM PDT

I think a good Bungie.net member is someone who follows the rules.
Someone following the rules will have a good future on here.

  • 12.21.2007 9:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Coffey4780
I think a good Bungie.net member is someone who follows the rules.
Someone following the rules will have a good future on here.

Case in point is Coffey himself. When he first came over to the Flood he broke the rules without care or concern however, after a number of complaints from others he took the time to read the rules and has become a decent and respected poster.
:D

  • 12.21.2007 10:37 PM PDT

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I think that another positive aspect for a community user is that when they are at a disagreement with another user on some subject, that their argument doesn't consist of insults to the opposing member. Rather it be about their grammar, their mother, etc.

  • 12.21.2007 10:47 PM PDT

Posted by: X Rampancy X
Posted by: Coffey4780
I think a good Bungie.net member is someone who follows the rules.
Someone following the rules will have a good future on here.

Case in point is Coffey himself. When he first came over to the Flood he broke the rules without care or concern however, after a number of complaints from others he took the time to read the rules and has become a decent and respected poster.
:D

The moral of my sad story: There is still a chance. Read the rules and repent yourself. Even if you started off bad you can get better and then people will remember you for good reasons.

  • 12.21.2007 10:58 PM PDT

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Prom, I read through your post 4 times and I can't figure out the point of this thread.

Are you saying we should all be posting like me? *bats eyelashes* >_>

Hah. Hehe. Funny joke.

  • 12.21.2007 11:07 PM PDT
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I think people who post threads should ask themselves a few questions before they hit the submit button. These questions are the basic...
* Does this thread contribute anything to the community (entertainment, information, etc.)?
* Does this thread violate any rules?
* Has this thread been posted before?

Though, busy forums like "The Flood" and "Halo 3" forums would seem a lot less active (as far as the number of topics created are concerned), more discussion would actually go on.

I dislike (and am annoyed) by members who create topics non-stop. It's like they think creating more than enough threads will make them popular (chances are, that's what they're thinking). I notice this happens a lot in "The Flood". New members want to be accepted by "Floodians" (pfft). That argument is neither here nor there, though. >_>

[Edited on 12.21.2007 11:19 PM PST]

  • 12.21.2007 11:17 PM PDT

"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstien

A good member isn't one who just follows the rules, but tries to better the community. One who isn't afraid to throw his opinion out in the open and tries to instigate change if they feel it will better the community. Some of the best members are the ones who actually think ideas through and commit to them, much like Foman did with the ARG, etc. I remember when I started the Halo 3 Fan Art thread, and kept that going for about a month or so (until it got bogged down in the spam of DeutchGod never to be seen again). Things like that are what make members good members, not just following the rules and mingling with the locals. You need to try to do something to make this place more than it already was... of course that sounds a bit dumb coming from someone who has failed in pretty much every attempt to get something going (3 groups and two threads).

  • 12.22.2007 12:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: Reiginko
Good to see at least somebody takes this place seriously

I am sincerely disappointed in everyone except JIMH. JIMH, have a gold star.


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I think that a good member of the community forums is someone who posts regularly in the widest variety of subforums that they have knowledge in. Participation is the biggest key to me. Some of the oldest members have never made their own thread, and yet they complain about the shape of the forums. That is the biggest tragedy.

The worst are the people who take themselves too seriously, who claim that something has failed or won when there is no grading criteria or competition on forums. The point to me of the forums is to enjoy the mutual company of others, not to start drama or petty arguments over a typo, misread words or an honest mistake.

  • 12.22.2007 12:09 AM PDT
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Purpose.

The most memorable members were doing something bigger with their time than just firing opinions. Whether hat be a goal to improve the community, enlighten the newer members or even destroy the place - the memorable members had a bigger goal.

  • 12.22.2007 12:32 AM PDT

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Purpose.

The most memorable members were doing something bigger with their time than just firing opinions. Whether hat be a goal to improve the community, enlighten the newer members or even destroy the place - the memorable members had a bigger goal.


I think you hit the nail on the head there. The members that most people look up to or just simply know of are those who have done something for the community.

  • 12.22.2007 1:06 AM PDT
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And the Shadow fell upon the Land, and the World was riven stone from stone. The oceans fled, and the mountains were swallowed up, and the nations were scattered to the eight corners of the World. The moon was blood, and the sun was as ashes. The seas boiled, and the living envied the dead. All was shattered, and all but memory lost, and one memory above all others, of him who brought the Shadow and the Breaking of the World. And him they named Dragon.

I think that if people both behaved- and looked more like me, the world in general would be a much better place to live in.

  • 12.22.2007 2:48 AM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

I'm pleased with the calibur of responses here, and I find myself in agreement with most everyone, and partial that with all others. I might even go as far to say that I've learned a thing or two that I might work on myself.

  • 12.22.2007 6:17 AM PDT
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Respect for eachother's opinions and views. It is really something you don't see in the Halo 3 forum.

  • 12.22.2007 6:26 AM PDT
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Posted by: Pezz
Purpose.

The most memorable members were doing something bigger with their time than just firing opinions. Whether hat be a goal to improve the community, enlighten the newer members or even destroy the place - the memorable members had a bigger goal.

Yup, kinda like me. I'll be rememberd. My goal is to take over Bungie. I'm waiting until right after they take over the world. That will be sweet. I shall rule you all! HAHAHAHAHHAHA!!

Just kidding. Just being nice to people, and helpful, thats all you have to do. No real mystery to it.

  • 12.22.2007 7:26 AM PDT
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A good member will read posts and respond to them while knowing what they're talking about. Too often I see people tossing out idiotic replies in threads which they obviously never took the time to read. And I have a problem with spelling errors. Typos I can understand, it's almost impossible to avoid them. But spelling words like awkward "oquared" just shows to me that someone isn't trying to come across as serious. It takes very little effort to look up the correct spelling of a word.

  • 12.22.2007 9:39 AM PDT

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Someone who can hold their temper. Being able to discuss or debate on things do require an good temperament in order to avoid flaming. Be the bigger person, and don't bring yourself down down to a flamer/trolls' level.
Flaming back, and calling it justified will only get you thrown into the mud as well.
Posted by: Captain K Mart
A good member will read posts and respond to them while knowing what they're talking about. Too often I see people tossing out idiotic replies in threads which they obviously never took the time to read. And I have a problem with spelling errors. Typos I can understand, it's almost impossible to avoid them. But spelling words like awkward "oquared" just shows to me that someone isn't trying to come across as serious. It takes very little effort to look up the correct spelling of a word.

With the spelling issue...
I use firefox with a spell check. So it's like typing on MS Word. But it doesn't correct my grammar.

[Edited on 12.22.2007 10:06 AM PST]

  • 12.22.2007 10:03 AM PDT
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I get more ass than a toilet seat.

A good member has

-Good Spelling
-Informative Posts
-Uses the report as spam feature wisely
-Does not respond to spam
-Does not Spam
-Does not bump

The lists goes on.

  • 12.22.2007 10:21 AM PDT
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GT: AccidentsProne

"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who"

Edit: Overlook this, preview button ate my post

[Edited on 12.22.2007 12:05 PM PST]

  • 12.22.2007 11:41 AM PDT

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There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

We can rebuild them...we have the technology...

We just need to install HAL-9000 like little red eyes on each users computer.

Try being a spamming idiot? "I'm sorry I can't do that..."

Flaming post? "I'm sorry I can't do that..."

Make fun of Foman or Zag? Approved!!

~B.B.

  • 12.22.2007 2:24 PM PDT
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Posted by: Maimum FEAR
I think you hit the nail on the head there.


He hasn't. You're both completely off the mark. The most memorable members are those who made utter tits of themselves, such as Twitch and Toast.

As for what makes a good member?

Constructive posting.

It doesnt matter if it's a positive post, or a ridiculously blatant troll, if the post is done in a constructive, logical manner, it promotes constructive and logical responses. Not posting or non-constructive posts are what makes a bad member.

  • 12.22.2007 2:32 PM PDT

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So I think Jun's a master chef, because he takes off his helmet and your like whoa, I think he's a chef.

So to shorten this up, Jun is master chef.

A good member is serious about what they are doing. They enter the forum knowing the rules, use good spelling/grammar, and have an exceptional vocabulary. People who say things like "in before the lock" or other rule-breaking things annoy me. Another part of being a fine member is content. The person shouldn't just be going from thread to thread just posting a short response with their opinion; I like to see people who will take the time to write out a thoughtful reply that will question things and state opinions. Thought-provoking discussion is great and I always love it when I see other people who share the same belief.

  • 12.22.2007 3:10 PM PDT
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"A wise man once told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who is who"

Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: Maimum FEAR
I think you hit the nail on the head there.


He hasn't. You're both completely off the mark. The most memorable members are those who made utter tits of themselves, such as Twitch and Toast.
I think elmicker hit the nail on the head here. :)

That fact that everyone knows who Pillage is is evident of that. Memorable members are the ones who are unique. That doesn't make them good or constructive, just memorable.

  • 12.22.2007 3:41 PM PDT

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