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Subject: FAQ on Bungie.net Member Titles / Prefixes / Bar Colors
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Posted by: Count Blinkula
If you have negative trust (regardless of title) your prefix disappears until you get positive trust again.

If I remember correctly, it's impossible to get a negative trust rating, although bans do subtract from your trust rating. Not to mention that prefixes have absolutely nothing to do with trust.

Posted by: Achronos
[Prefixes] are not related to trust rating.

The way the titles work is that the new "prefixes" are independent of the main "mythic/legendary/heroic" titles.


[Edited on 03.10.2012 7:51 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2012 7:49 PM PDT

^If we're sure that prefixes have nothing to do with trust, then there's either some sort of "freeze" stage after you're banned and/or Fabled/Intrepid are based on PPD, which goes down if you're banned.

Wait, that can't be true, though; Honorable, Noble, etc. all have to do with trust rating.

  • 03.10.2012 7:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: ctjl96
^If we're sure that prefixes have nothing to do with trust, then there's either some sort of "freeze" stage after you're banned and/or Fabled/Intrepid are based on PPD, which goes down if you're banned.

Wait, that can't be true, though; Honorable, Noble, etc. all have to do with trust rating.

I have no idea where you got the idea honorable, noble, "etc." have anything to do with trust rating. I'm sure there's a link to one of Achronos's posts in the original post that goes into further detail on what happens to your title when you're warned/banned.

[Edited on 03.10.2012 8:05 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2012 8:02 PM PDT

Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: ctjl96
^If we're sure that prefixes have nothing to do with trust, then there's either some sort of "freeze" stage after you're banned and/or Fabled/Intrepid are based on PPD, which goes down if you're banned.

Wait, that can't be true, though; Honorable, Noble, etc. all have to do with trust rating.

I have no idea where you got the idea honorable, noble, "etc." have anything to do with trust rating.

1. Honorable - No bans/warnings in about 1 year*
"etc."

  • 03.10.2012 8:07 PM PDT

I came, I saw, I conquered. On my quest to become Mythic. So all can be jealous of the amazing blue glow from my title bar. =) ~BlindChild~


Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: ctjl96
^If we're sure that prefixes have nothing to do with trust, then there's either some sort of "freeze" stage after you're banned and/or Fabled/Intrepid are based on PPD, which goes down if you're banned.

Wait, that can't be true, though; Honorable, Noble, etc. all have to do with trust rating.

I have no idea where you got the idea honorable, noble, "etc." have anything to do with trust rating. I'm sure there's a link to one of Achronos's posts in the original post that goes into further detail on what happens to your title when you're warned/banned.
your right look at the front page it says that. also you can get prefixes without posting just sign in.

[Edited on 03.10.2012 8:09 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2012 8:08 PM PDT

Key

@Above discussion.

I suppose that's why someone can be an Honorable legendary member. Maybe they were on the site for 2 years, and were banned once (losing their Legendary title) and now have been ban-free for a whole year and, because they have not receive a ban in a year and have now earned enough "trust" (whatever the quantifiable unit of trust is... I suppose it would just be a trust "rating" but I'm not sure what one "trust" equates to) to have their Legendary title back, but not enough to attain Mythic, which they should have if they had a ban free history.

Meaning the only way (visibly to myself)to gain trust would be to exist (actively; both signing in AND posting) on the site and the receiving of bans and warnings exist to both reduce your trust rating and limit the rate at which you gain trust in the future.

Say your trust is a marathon runner. Every warning your get, your runner has a 5 pound weight attached to their ankle. Every ban you get, your runner is moved back one mile and has a 10 pound weight put on their ankle.

/speculation.

Edit: I just re-read that and have come to the conclusion that I am a genius.

[Edited on 03.10.2012 8:11 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2012 8:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
the receiving of bans and warnings exist to both reduce your trust rating and limit the rate at which you gain trust in the future.

All of the effects of a warning/ban wear off, though, with time.

  • 03.10.2012 8:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
the receiving of bans and warnings exist to both reduce your trust rating and limit the rate at which you gain trust in the future.

All of the effects of a warning/ban wear off, though, with time.
Are you absolutely sure that, while someone might once again reach and attain their Legendary/Mythic title, they do not still gain trust at a rate slower than those who've not received bans?

I honestly don't know if Achronos has mentioned this anywhere. I'm legitimately curious. Not trying to be pretentious.

  • 03.10.2012 8:23 PM PDT

The thing about the trust ratings is that they're integers, and they're all calculated mathematically. When thinking mathematically or from a programming standpoint, you have to think of many ways to achieve one end result. For instance, we could say that you get Honorable by not being banned in at least a year but less than two years, which would look something like:if (daysSinceLastBanned >= 365 && daysSinceLastBanned < 730) {
giveHonorable;
}
We could also say that perhaps over the course of a year, without being banned, your trust rating will have increased by a certain amount. This would mean that if your trust rating has improved by a certain number since the last time you were banned, you'd get Honorable. This would be a much cooler way to award prefixes, IMO; improvement > overall behavior. For example, say over the course of a year your trust rating will have gone up by 100 if you weren't banned (but less than 300, assume that gives you Exalted):if (trustRating - trustRatingAtLastBan >= 100 && trustRating - trustRatingAtLastBan < 300) {
giveHonorable;
}

Note: I used javascript syntax for the examples, because that's what I'm most familiar with; I believe it'd really be calculated using SQL or some variant of C or something similar.

  • 03.10.2012 8:26 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I honestly don't know if Achronos has mentioned this anywhere. I'm legitimately curious. Not trying to be pretentious.

That's the thing though, he has. But I'm too lazy to link it for you just yet, it's in the original post, too busy playing Mass Effect 3.

  • 03.10.2012 8:26 PM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
You lose trust for having bans/warnings as well as being inactive. Bans/warnings also leave an extended "mark" on you that fades away over time - the longer the ban, the longer it takes after the ban is over for your trust rating to recover (we're talking months, not weeks).

  • 03.10.2012 8:32 PM PDT

Well sweet I got Noble, but still no Heroic even though I'm on all the time.


:|

  • 03.10.2012 8:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
I honestly don't know if Achronos has mentioned this anywhere. I'm legitimately curious. Not trying to be pretentious.

That's the thing though, he has. But I'm too lazy to link it for you just yet, it's in the original post, too busy playing Mass Effect 3.
Found the post.

So, to amend my analogy, it's more like a warning would be a marathon runner having a little kid put on their back until they tire from holding on and let go after a mile's worth of running. But, that mile took you 50% longer to run because you had the kid on your back.

In relation to titles, let's say, for all intents and purposes that warnings effect your trust gain for a month. Now during the course of a month, while not hindered by the effects of a warning, you gain 100 trust (again, hypothetically). Now, in that time, you will have only gained ~66 trust. Follow?

A ban would be like first, moving them back a few miles, and then putting a teenager on their back. The teen will tire and let go after 2 miles now instead of 1, and, because they're heavier, they'll slow you down to being 2 times slower than an unhindered amount. But, teens are different. The teens put on your back can be anywhere from 15-18 years old.

That would be the 3-day ban, the 7-day ban, the 14-day ban, and the 1-month ban. The three day ban would affect you over 3 months. the 7 day over 4 months. The 14-day over 8 months. And the 1-month over a year. (Again, all hypothetical.)

For the 3-day ban, again, as an example using made up but reasonable figures, you would now only be gaining trust at a rate 2x slower than normal. Over the course of the bans effect (3 months), you would get 150 of the 300 trust you should get.

7-day ban: 200/400 trust
14-day ban: 400/800 trust
and 1-month ban: 600/1200 trust


And, of course, you can have multiple little kids and/or teenagers on your back at any given time depending on your recent moderation history.

As a final summarizing example. Let's say that someone was warned on January 1st. Warned again on January 10th. And banned on January 15th for a week. (Not that it matters, but let's say it's all for the same thing. Trolling? Yeah, trolling.

Now that person has a 1.5x decelerator, another 1.5x decelerator, and a 2x decelerator. This person, until some of these start wearing off, is now earning approximately 22 trust per month, as opposed to the normal 100 trust per month.

So, for the next 4 months, you will gain only ~162.04 of the 400 trust you would have gotten had you not been banned or warned.


Did I make sense? Because my gut says I did but my brain says I didn't.

[Edited on 03.10.2012 9:00 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2012 8:45 PM PDT

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God dammit, ctj...

Now I have to rework my theory because of the "longer the ban, longer the effect" part of what you posted.

(Seriously though, thanks for that. :D)

Give me a few...

  • 03.10.2012 8:46 PM PDT

"We live in a special time; the only time where we can observationally verify that we live in a very special time" - Lawrence Krauss.

I was a finalist :P


Posted by: Izak609

If I remember correctly, it's impossible to get a negative trust rating, although bans do subtract from your trust rating.

There is no minimum for trust ratings, so it should theoretically be possible for trust points to get more and more negative infinitely the more and more bans you receive (at constant short-time intervals). However, Achronos has stated that there is a maximum 5-digit positive number involving trust ratings. Source.

  • 03.10.2012 8:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Did I make sense? Because my gut says I did but my brain says I didn't.

It makes sense. The mile back thing isn't new, Achronos has explained that warnings and bans hold a negative effect to your trust rating (one that wears off, like you said). But I find your idea that, for that same amount of time, it's more difficult to receive trust interesting.

  • 03.10.2012 8:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Postwarbean85
Well sweet I got Noble, but still no Heroic even though I'm on all the time.


:|


You should get it soon. I got mine when I was Noble as well.

  • 03.10.2012 8:54 PM PDT

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Post edited with fixed ideas and speculations.

  • 03.10.2012 8:58 PM PDT
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Posted by: ooBlindchildoo
If the trust is calculated daily, would it be the end of the day before you earn a new title? Or anytime?

I'm not even sure if Achronos meant only once daily. I've seen members titles update several times in a day on multiple occasions, and I don't mean mere title flickers either. Besides, how quickly does the effects of a warning/ban take place?

  • 03.10.2012 9:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: ooBlindchildoo
If the trust is calculated daily, would it be the end of the day before you earn a new title? Or anytime?

I'm not even sure if Achronos meant only once daily. I've seen members titles update several times in a day on multiple occasions, and I don't mean mere title flickers either. Besides, how quickly does the effects of a warning/ban take place?
Well you're being set back in trust rating occurs right after you come out of your ban. And, I'm assuming, the moment a warning is issued.(Citation.).

He says that you get that -1,000,000 trust after you come off your ban in his 3rd paragraph near the middle.

[Edited on 03.10.2012 9:16 PM PST]

  • 03.10.2012 9:16 PM PDT

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Ok, but what about this?

Negative trust is a normal part of the system. When you're banned, you get a large amount of negative trust put on your modifier to ensure you stay at "member", for instance.
Posted by: Izak609
Posted by: Count Blinkula
If you have negative trust (regardless of title) your prefix disappears until you get positive trust again.

If I remember correctly, it's impossible to get a negative trust rating, although bans do subtract from your trust rating. Not to mention that prefixes have absolutely nothing to do with trust.

Posted by: Achronos
[Prefixes] are not related to trust rating.

The way the titles work is that the new "prefixes" are independent of the main "mythic/legendary/heroic" titles.

  • 03.11.2012 12:33 AM PDT

The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.

The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.

As you waste your breath complaining about life, Someone out there is breathing their last. Appreciate what you have.

If you stand for nothing, you will fall for anything.

Blink is right. Whilst banned, you become a member and you have negative trust. As soon as the ban ends you get a heap back but probably not as much as you had before.

  • 03.11.2012 4:07 AM PDT

Who the hell do you think I am?

I wonder how the length of a ban would affect your trust points.

  • 03.11.2012 7:18 AM PDT

Please go here:
http://www.refresheverything.com/heatherscamp
and vote.
Foman banned me for asking people to vote. DO NOT STOP VOTING!

I know what's going to happen. Once we figure out how the titles are calculated, Achronos will change the algorithm on us.

  • 03.11.2012 7:50 AM PDT

Who the hell do you think I am?

I doubt it.

Sounds like it would just be a waste of time for him.

  • 03.11.2012 8:02 AM PDT