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Subject: FAQ on Bungie.net Member Titles / Prefixes / Bar Colors

What's up? You can call me Phil. I love to play Battlefield 3!
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Posted by: Duck duck DEATH
You can jump bans if you're awesome.

Grats on Heroic. :)

[Edited on 11.27.2009 12:15 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2009 12:15 PM PDT

Beast Mode On - an uprising group that you should check out.

Don't feed the trolls.

Death by Bungie.

Nah, I just looked at the thread, he didn't get blacklisted. He might of been warned at most. I think the inertness got to him, he averages less than a post per day.

  • 11.27.2009 12:29 PM PDT

Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.

Posted by: JBSpudster
Yeah I have been wondering about this too for a while now. If the titles are competitive, which we know that they are at least to an extent, then a percentage system would seem like it would be more of an accurate representation. However, we already know that the system operates on a numerical point/value scale... Perhaps it is some combination of both percentages and points?
I've always assumed that x percentage of the population had a particular title. So if (and I'm sure it's a much smaller number, but just as an example) 1% of the active population was a Mythic member, the people with the highest trust rating would be Mythics. So when a Mythic member is banned and loses his/her trust rating, everyone is "bumped" up and the highest trusted Legendary member takes the place of the Mythic.

Dunno if I answered your question. Or if you even asked a question.

As for Karl's theory - I'm not sure I entirely understand what you're saying, but basically, as you qualify for more prefixes, you get more points toward your title?

Well... As you can see, I have the lowest prefix, Honorable. That means it's the only prefix I qualify for. And yet, I'm on the edge between Member and Heroic. Maybe there is a certain amount of trust to go around, or a certain percentage of the population with the title. They really achieve the same thing, I think.

Anyway, I'm sort of rambling.

  • 11.27.2009 1:06 PM PDT

Posted by: Scapegoat413
Posted by: JBSpudster
Yeah I have been wondering about this too for a while now. If the titles are competitive, which we know that they are at least to an extent, then a percentage system would seem like it would be more of an accurate representation. However, we already know that the system operates on a numerical point/value scale... Perhaps it is some combination of both percentages and points?
I've always assumed that x percentage of the population had a particular title. So if (and I'm sure it's a much smaller number, but just as an example) 1% of the active population was a Mythic member, the people with the highest trust rating would be Mythics. So when a Mythic member is banned and loses his/her trust rating, everyone is "bumped" up and the highest trusted Legendary member takes the place of the Mythic.

Dunno if I answered your question. Or if you even asked a question.

As for Karl's theory - I'm not sure I entirely understand what you're saying, but basically, as you qualify for more prefixes, you get more points toward your title?

Well... As you can see, I have the lowest prefix, Honorable. That means it's the only prefix I qualify for. And yet, I'm on the edge between Member and Heroic. Maybe there is a certain amount of trust to go around, or a certain percentage of the population with the title. They really achieve the same thing, I think.

Anyway, I'm sort of rambling.


That's why promotions kind of go in waves of people, based on their High Trust rating vs the Trust Rating of the next person above them. If the person above you looses some, you take their place. It's the watered-down version of the Member System, I guess.

Also, rambling is good. It usually is what gets these conversations going and leads us to want to find more facts.

  • 11.27.2009 1:18 PM PDT

What's up? You can call me Phil. I love to play Battlefield 3!
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I lost my Heroic status even though I wasn't warned or banned, weird.
If the person above you looses some, you take their place. It's the watered-down version of the Member System, I guess.
I guess I must have lost some trust rating some how and somebody took my title. :|

  • 11.27.2009 2:38 PM PDT
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I had nothing better to do, so here's a theory on how the title system works. This is all just guessing, unless I state my source from which I got the information.

The title system is based on two factors: the trust rating and the trust modifier. (This is a fact, confirmed by Achronos.)

Your trust rating is based on account age and amount of posts made in the public forums (fora?). With every day that passes, your account gets 5-10 trust points (which we'll call "TPs") added onto its overall trust rating. With every post you make in a public forum, you gain 3 TPs. If the post is over 1000 characters in length, it triples in TPs; if it's over 2000 characters in length, it quadruples; etc. With every thread you make in a public forum, you get 3 TPs, but you get 0.25 TPs for every post made in it.

Your trust modifier is based on your bans, warnings and logins. Your modifier is constantly going down by 5 TPs per day, forcing you to stay active on the forums in order to keep your title. If you don't log in for seven days, you lose 20 "modifier points" ("MPs"). If you don't post for a week, your MPs go down by 10. While you're banned, your MPs go down to minus infinity, as confirmed by Achronos in the thread linked above. When the ban expires, it leaves a "mark" of negative MPs, which is deducted from your amount of MPs before the ban was placed on your account. Warnings and locked threads will also deduct MPs.

Infringements and their respective effect:
Locked Thread: -50 MPs
Warning: -100 MPs
3 to 6 Day Ban: -200 MPS
7 to 13 Day Ban: -400 MPs
14 to 29 Day Ban: -800 MPs
30 to 59 Day Ban: -1000 MPs
60 to 89 Day Ban: -1500 MPs
90+ Day Ban: -2000 MPs


The different TP requirements for the different titles:
Heroic Member: 500 TPs
Legendary Member: 1500 TPs
Mythic Member: 3000 TPS


Usually, it takes about six months to reach Heroic, a year and a half to reach Legendary, and three years to reach Mythic. There is apparently a maximum amount of users with a certain title, so whenever a user gets a higher title, it also pushes the person/people with the lowest TP count of that title down to the previous title. If, for example, someone was at 499 TPs, and they get 3 TPs to make it 502 (and thus becomes a Heroic member), someone at 501 may go back down to Member.

Achronos' trust point count was at slightly over 9000 (no, that wasn't intentional) earlier this year, and I double-checked to make sure that everything I'm guessing at agrees with this.

I'm probably going over something here, so if someone wants to correct me on anything, go for it.

  • 11.27.2009 3:34 PM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

Great write up Eliper! That's definitely a great theory. I'm not all too sure if locked threads do leave a mark, though it may. I also assume that deleted threads would have the same effect as a locked thread.

  • 11.27.2009 4:57 PM PDT

Nice theory, Eliper. OP-worthy, no?

I think this theory will clear some things up, considering some of the older posts have been proven wrong by Achronos' posts on the subject.

Posted by: Eliper
Achronos' trust point count was at slightly over 9000 (no, that wasn't intentional)


I wish it was. Let me fix it:

Posted by: Eliper
Achronos' trust point count was at slightly OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:)

  • 11.27.2009 5:45 PM PDT

I who walk alone in this world wrapped in the arms of the past not knowing what lies ahead of me. What am I? A soulless being to be beaten by the rage of those who hate me? Cutting my way past hopes and dreams. Sit in the window sill as I do every day and night resignations on my slate of who I am and what is left behind. Concealed in the words that chases my every thought. I who walk alone in this world…I am broken

So i am kind of wondering do the post that i create in a privet group count toward my post count?

  • 11.27.2009 6:07 PM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

Posted by: Kage24Neko
So i am kind of wondering do the post that i create in a privet group count toward my post count?
We're not 100% sure but we are all pretty much agreeing that it does.

  • 11.27.2009 6:16 PM PDT

I who walk alone in this world wrapped in the arms of the past not knowing what lies ahead of me. What am I? A soulless being to be beaten by the rage of those who hate me? Cutting my way past hopes and dreams. Sit in the window sill as I do every day and night resignations on my slate of who I am and what is left behind. Concealed in the words that chases my every thought. I who walk alone in this world…I am broken

Posted by: BadBall3r47
Posted by: Kage24Neko
So i am kind of wondering do the post that i create in a privet group count toward my post count?
We're not 100% sure but we are all pretty much agreeing that it does.
Kool thanks dude i have been wondering about this now for a while..

  • 11.27.2009 6:24 PM PDT

That was awesome Eliper.

  • 11.27.2009 6:26 PM PDT

Posted by: LordOfBlah51
Nice theory, Eliper. OP-worthy, no?



Your such a bastard. I think it's worthy.

[Edited on 11.27.2009 7:39 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2009 7:39 PM PDT

Posted by: z ZUMA z
Posted by: LordOfBlah51
Nice theory, Eliper. OP-worthy, no?



Your such a bastard. I think it's worthy.


What? ",no?" Means "yes, unless you disagree?" Basically. Don't EVER call me a bastard. OR YOU'LL DIE.

  • 11.27.2009 9:55 PM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

Posted by: z ZUMA z
Posted by: LordOfBlah51
Nice theory, Eliper. OP-worthy, no?



Your such a bastard. I think it's worthy.
Doesn't anyone -blam!- think before they post anymore? I'm sorry, but after being called a douche and troll because some users mis-interpreted what I say and then flame the hell out of me in another thread and now LordOfBlah is being called a bastard in this thread because ZUMA mis-understood what he said has pushed me over the edge.

I'll repeat myself, read before you make a -blam!- post. There will be times when you mis-understand something but that doesn't mean to flame the hell out of that user and call them innapropriate names. I'm so over -blam!-s acting like retards on the forums. I thought I wouldn't have to tolerate this behaviour.

[Edited on 11.27.2009 10:07 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2009 10:06 PM PDT

You both need to calm down and besides its an internet forum what can he do to you...

  • 11.27.2009 10:09 PM PDT

Posted by: gaurdianAQ
You both need to calm down and besides its an internet forum what can he do to you...


You're new, no offense, but I don't really think you understand yet.

Anyways, I'm gonna go back on topic after this. :P

  • 11.27.2009 10:45 PM PDT
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Let me first bring into account my personal experience, as I don't feel that it falls in line exactly with the stipulations of multiple people in the thread:

I joined Bungie.net in December of '06.
I was banned from the public forums (file forums, specifically) one week for group advertising in around April-June of 2008.
I've maintained relatively steady activity since that point; being active primarily within private groups but occasionally in the public forums.

Judging by the fact that it's now November of 2009, I should (by the predictions of others) have "Honorable" tacked onto my member title because it's been over a year since my ban, yet I do not. To my knowledge, I haven't been banned at all in the meantime, though I have had inactive spells greater than three days (and there's always the possibility that an old post of mine was "vigilante'd" during one of these periods). However, I've recently been fluctuating between Heroic and Legendary status, which leads me to believe that the 2008 ban has been my one and only over the course of my membership here on Bungie.net (otherwise I probably would be permanently Heroic or fluctuating between Heroic and Member status).

Now, this raises interesting questions. Do the 1-year "Honorable" prefix stipulations and such only apply to members who have had minor bans of 3 days or less? Obviously, this would support the idea that 7 day bans and greater carry more of a negative trust modifier with them (which seems quite logical), but this would also mean that more severe bans linger with users for longer periods of time, and thus that the ban-related user titles aren't as cut-and-dry in their application to members as has been previously stated.

I think that more severe bans dilate the timeframe it takes to achieve the ban-related prefixes by an amount directly correlated with the severity of the ban. Perhaps a 7 day ban dilates the "1 year, 2 year, 3 year" timeframe by a factor of 7/3; a direct proportion to the amount of ban time served. A user with a 3 day ban would get an "Honorable" prefix 1 year after their ban's conclusion, whereas it would take a 7 day ban-ee 2 and 1/3 years to gain the prefix. Of course, this probably isn't the correct ratio, but I'm sure you get the idea.

I think the concept of timeframe dilation fits nicely with the rest of the ranks' attainment, including achievement of the "macro" ranks of Member, Heroic, Legendary, and Mythic. Of course, this holds no water if bans are factored out of the equation after a certain post-ban time period has elapsed (much as disciplinary infractions on various external forums expire as time proceeds), but if bans truly stick with members for the duration of their Bungie.net membership it should follow that it will take a member longer time to attain a high rank while having a ban history than otherwise.

Another concept that has intrigued me is that of the "arrangement" of all of the ranks. Achronos has stated that the values fluctuate based on the highest member of the population; has anyone ever considered the possibility that ranks may be assigned per a standard statistical distribution (like a normal distribution, for instance)? Granted, it's been stated that two variables (base_trust_rating and trust_modifier) affect member titles - meaning that it's bivariate data with which we're dealing (and a normal distribution only describes one variable's distribution). Personally, I think that a normal distribution can be applied to the creation of the rank hierarchy in that it possibly determines the percentage of Mythics, Legendaries, and Heroics by essentially setting "tiers" of membership (visually, consider vertical lines being drawn connecting points on a normal curve to the horizontal axis of a graph), through which members advance by increasing the aforementioned variables' values. The area under the curve in each "tier" would simply represent the percentage of sitegoers with the given macro rank. I'm not exactly a statistics major, but I think the concept of standard statistical distributions in itself is worth mentioning because of its possible applicability to this situation no matter how off-the-mark my analysis (from very limited statistical knowledge, mind you) is. ;P

EDIT: Quite truthfully, at the time of posting this I was upgraded to Legendary Member from Heroic member. o_O Perhaps we now know that rank conversions happen at 1 AM PST? XD

[Edited on 11.28.2009 1:14 AM PST]

  • 11.28.2009 12:57 AM PDT

I who walk alone in this world wrapped in the arms of the past not knowing what lies ahead of me. What am I? A soulless being to be beaten by the rage of those who hate me? Cutting my way past hopes and dreams. Sit in the window sill as I do every day and night resignations on my slate of who I am and what is left behind. Concealed in the words that chases my every thought. I who walk alone in this world…I am broken

Posted by: Debo37
Let me first bring into account my personal experience, as I don't feel that it falls in line exactly with the stipulations of multiple people in the thread:

I joined Bungie.net in December of '06.
I was banned from the public forums (file forums, specifically) one week for group advertising in around April-June of 2008.
I've maintained relatively steady activity since that point; being active primarily within private groups but occasionally in the public forums.

Judging by the fact that it's now November of 2009, I should (by the predictions of others) have "Honorable" tacked onto my member title because it's been over a year since my ban, yet I do not. To my knowledge, I haven't been banned at all in the meantime, though I have had inactive spells greater than three days (and there's always the possibility that an old post of mine was "vigilante'd" during one of these periods). However, I've recently been fluctuating between Heroic and Legendary status, which leads me to believe that the 2008 ban has been my one and only over the course of my membership here on Bungie.net (otherwise I probably would be permanently Heroic or fluctuating between Heroic and Member status).

Now, this raises interesting questions. Do the 1-year "Honorable" prefix stipulations and such only apply to members who have had minor bans of 3 days or less? Obviously, this would support the idea that 7 day bans and greater carry more of a negative trust modifier with them (which seems quite logical), but this would also mean that more severe bans linger with users for longer periods of time, and thus that the ban-related user titles aren't as cut-and-dry in their application to members as has been previously stated.

I think that more severe bans dilate the time frame it takes to achieve the ban-related prefixes by an amount directly correlated with the severity of the ban. Perhaps a 7 day ban dilates the "1 year, 2 year, 3 year" time frame by a factor of 7/3; a direct proportion to the amount of ban time served. A user with a 3 day ban would get an "Honorable" prefix 1 year after their Ban's conclusion, whereas it would take a 7 day ban-ee 2 and 1/3 years to gain the prefix. Of course, this probably isn't the correct ratio, but I'm sure you get the idea.

I think the concept of time frame dilation fits nicely with the rest of the ranks' attainment, including achievement of the "macro" ranks of Member, Heroic, Legendary, and Mythic. Of course, this holds no water if bans are factored out of the equation after a certain post-ban time period has elapsed (much as disciplinary infractions on various external forums expire as time proceeds), but if bans truly stick with members for the duration of their Bungie.net membership it should follow that it will take a member longer time to attain a high rank while having a ban history than otherwise.

Another concept that has intrigued me is that of the "arrangement" of all of the ranks. Achronos has stated that the values fluctuate based on the highest member of the population; has anyone ever considered the possibility that ranks may be assigned per a standard statistical distribution (like a normal distribution, for instance)? Granted, it's been stated that two variables (base_trust_rating and trust_modifier) affect member titles - meaning that it's bivariate data with which we're dealing (and a normal distribution only describes one variables distribution). Personally, I think that a normal distribution can be applied to the creation of the rank hierarchy in that it possibly determines the percentage of Mythics, Legendaries, and Heroics by essentially setting "tiers" of membership (visually, consider vertical lines being drawn connecting points on a normal curve to the horizontal axis of a graph), through which members advance by increasing the aforementioned variables' values. The area under the curve in each "tier" would simply represent the percentage of site goes with the given macro rank. I'm not exactly a statistics major, but I think the concept of standard statistical distributions in itself is worth mentioning because of its possible applicability to this situation no matter how off-the-mark my analysis (from very limited statistical knowledge, mind you) is. ;P

EDIT: Quite truthfully, at the time of posting this I was upgraded to Legendary Member from Heroic member. o_O Perhaps we now know that rank conversions happen at 1 AM PST? XD
Wow dude you kept track of all this.....You know some thing about three months ago i got of a four month ban and i have been a good boy and i am a heroic member...

  • 11.28.2009 9:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: Kage24Neko
Wow dude you kept track of all this.....You know some thing about three months ago i got of a four month ban and i have been a good boy and i am a heroic member...

You didn't have to quote it all. >_>
Also, it says you're a Legendary Member, now.

  • 11.28.2009 9:34 AM PDT

I who walk alone in this world wrapped in the arms of the past not knowing what lies ahead of me. What am I? A soulless being to be beaten by the rage of those who hate me? Cutting my way past hopes and dreams. Sit in the window sill as I do every day and night resignations on my slate of who I am and what is left behind. Concealed in the words that chases my every thought. I who walk alone in this world…I am broken

Posted by: Eliper
Posted by: Kage24Neko
Wow dude you kept track of all this.....You know some thing about three months ago i got of a four month ban and i have been a good boy and i am a heroic member...

You didn't have to quote it all. >_>
Also, it says you're a Legendary Member, now.
Oh wait your right swish dude i heart B.net..

  • 11.28.2009 9:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: Eliper
Even though that may be a theory it makes a whole lot of sense to me now. I've been trying to get clear answers from people in this thread multiple times but you just cleared it up in one post. Thanks!

edit - So, why isn't this information on the OP?

[Edited on 11.28.2009 10:48 AM PST]

  • 11.28.2009 10:38 AM PDT

Posted by: LordOfBlah51
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Posted by: LordOfBlah51
Nice theory, Eliper. OP-worthy, no?



Your such a bastard. I think it's worthy.


What? ",no?" Means "yes, unless you disagree?" Basically. Don't EVER call me a bastard. OR YOU'LL DIE.


Bastard in a British term. No hard feelings. :p

  • 11.28.2009 10:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: Scapegoat413
I've always assumed that x percentage of the population had a particular title. So if (and I'm sure it's a much smaller number, but just as an example) 1% of the active population was a Mythic member, the people with the highest trust rating would be Mythics. So when a Mythic member is banned and loses his/her trust rating, everyone is "bumped" up and the highest trusted Legendary member takes the place of the Mythic.
That's along the lines of how I was thinking of how it could function. Just to paraphrase what you said so that I can understand it better; An individual's trust value marks where they are in relation to other members, while the percentage boundaries determine what base title the individual will have. X percent of the highest trust value holders will have the Mythic base title, and when one of those members loses a significant amount of trust, the Legendary member with the highest trust value would be bumped to the Mythic percentage tier. Does that sound about right?

Posted by: Eliper
Infringements and their respective effect:
Locked Thread: -50 MPs
Warning: -100 MPs
3 to 6 Day Ban: -200 MPS
7 to 13 Day Ban: -400 MPs
14 to 29 Day Ban: -800 MPs
30 to 59 Day Ban: -1000 MPs
60 to 89 Day Ban: -1500 MPs
90+ Day Ban: -2000 MPs


The different TP requirements for the different titles:
Heroic Member: 500 TPs
Legendary Member: 1500 TPs
Mythic Member: 3000 TPS
I would say everything about your theory is plausible except for these numbers. Achronos states here that bans carry a HUGE negative trust influencer with them, around -1000000 trust points that abruptly wear off after a certain amount of time. Again, everything about your theory is plausible, but it gets so much more complicated when people try to apply actual numbers to their theories. The numbers associated to the title system are useless to us since we don't have a proper scale to put them on, therefore we can't fully understand what their significance is. This is why I try to stay away from the numbers when I make theories about the title system, it just over complicates things.

Posted by: Debo37
...Judging by the fact that it's now November of 2009, I should (by the predictions of others) have "Honorable" tacked onto my member title because it's been over a year since my ban, yet I do not... Do the 1-year "Honorable" prefix stipulations and such only apply to members who have had minor bans of 3 days or less?
It is the general consensus that the 1/2/3 year rules for the ban related prefixes only apply to members who have never been banned. Once a member has been banned or warned, that trend doesn't hold true. It is speculated that the bans and warnings don't completely reset the time needed for these prefixes, but merely delays it a certain amount based on the ban severity.

... Achronos has stated that the values fluctuate based on the highest member of the population; has anyone ever considered the possibility that ranks may be assigned per a standard statistical distribution (like a normal distribution, for instance)?The titles aren't based off of a daily maximum anymore. After the implementation of the prefixes, the math that selects the base title is significantly different, most notably in that it isn't based on a relative maximum anymore, but specific "tiers" (making things a bit less random). So basically, my guess is that members are grouped into tier based on their join date, and within those tiers are relative maximums that influence the rest of the tier on either a daily basis or some other time interval.

I apologise for condensing your post Debo, but in all honesty all we can really say about your theories is that they are plausible. I just picked the parts and questions of your post in which I could answer with a good amount of certainty.

  • 11.28.2009 12:23 PM PDT
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Question: is there a script to check your TP?

  • 11.28.2009 1:11 PM PDT