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  • 12.03.2009 3:43 AM PDT

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Nice dude can wait to get secondary title i like fabled..

  • 12.03.2009 9:17 AM PDT

Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.

I am sort of jumping the gun on this, but I'm bored and feel like typing. Also, all the credit for this little discovery goes to JBSpudster.

It's well known that Honorable, Noble and Exalted were predictable as long as someone had not had any bans. Honorable was one, Noble two, and Exalted three. What was confusing was when someone was banned/warned, they didn't always lose the title, and sometimes people gained titles after being warned and banned.

This post explains it, I believe.
The 3 ban related prefixes have different requirements, varying time and allowed ban lengths/counts. Sooo. You have a little wiggle room, it seems. I'm guessing it's a ratio of some kind. I don't want to get into exact numbers, because I really don't know much, and I'd just be making them up, but I think it's a safe guess that as you get higher up, you are allowed fewer warnings/bans before dropping down, and Exalted may allow 0 bans/warnings.

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Posted by: Scapegoat413
I know right i got my heroic after about two months after i got a four month ban and two weeks later i got my legendary.

  • 12.03.2009 9:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: Scapegoat413
I am sort of jumping the gun on this, but I'm bored and feel like typing. Also, all the credit for this little discovery goes to JBSpudster.

It's well known that Honorable, Noble and Exalted were predictable as long as someone had not had any bans. Honorable was one, Noble two, and Exalted three. What was confusing was when someone was banned/warned, they didn't always lose the title, and sometimes people gained titles after being warned and banned.

This post explains it, I believe.
The 3 ban related prefixes have different requirements, varying time and allowed ban lengths/counts. Sooo. You have a little wiggle room, it seems. I'm guessing it's a ratio of some kind. I don't want to get into exact numbers, because I really don't know much, and I'd just be making them up, but I think it's a safe guess that as you get higher up, you are allowed fewer warnings/bans before dropping down, and Exalted may allow 0 bans/warnings.
I appreciate the credit, but I didn't really discover this. If anything, we both just uncovered an overlooked aspect of the title system. Although, it is really interesting to me that this wasn't found or mentioned earlier.

Just to summarize what this means, under certain circumstances people can keep their ban related prefix even after being banned, where as in the past it was just assumed that bans always remove the ban related prefixes. If I'm not mistaken, it was Pro Kendog who kept his Honorable prefix after receiving a short ban, and now we know why. ^_^

EDIT: Perhaps the OP should be updated with this new information?

[Edited on 12.03.2009 1:38 PM PST]

  • 12.03.2009 1:34 PM PDT

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If this is useful to anybody, I know the exact post that got me Heroic the other day. I posted, still a regular member, posted a follow up to that post, Heroic member. Anybody want me to link so they can "study" what got me the title? It was in a private group which was odd, since I thought private groups didn't affect our trust-rating.

  • 12.03.2009 1:55 PM PDT
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Posted by: goheels619
If this is useful to anybody, I know the exact post that got me Heroic the other day. I posted, still a regular member, posted a follow up to that post, Heroic member. Anybody want me to link so they can "study" what got me the title? It was in a private group which was odd, since I thought private groups didn't affect our trust-rating.


Yes please. I think we could gain some information out of you post.

  • 12.03.2009 2:06 PM PDT

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http://www.bungie.net/fanclub/335084/Forums/posts.aspx?postID =38983787
It's the very bottom post on that page. The group is "The Member List", it's in my groups. I think you have to join to see it.

  • 12.03.2009 2:17 PM PDT

Posted by: T1B3R7uMB0YXVI
Chief vs the scarab? I find that hard to believe to roundhouse boot the scarab's figurative emotion out of the gaming zone.

I just noticed that I'm now Heroic. This is the first time that I've hit that and I don't think I did anything in particular to get it. Just a couple of posts a day here and there in the mains, and pretty much my usual group activity. It feels like a pretty random thing.

  • 12.03.2009 8:31 PM PDT

Half way down the page on that same thread - HERE theres an Honorable mythic member?? I don't know how he's held on to the 'honorable' prefix for so long??

  • 12.03.2009 8:39 PM PDT

i know im soooooooo far back no one is going 2 read this but, i got my account linked on July 26 2009 and i don't have any warnings/ bans i will be a Honorable member July 26 2010?

[Edited on 12.03.2009 9:14 PM PST]

  • 12.03.2009 9:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: JBSpudster
Posted by: Scapegoat413
I am sort of jumping the gun on this, but I'm bored and feel like typing. Also, all the credit for this little discovery goes to JBSpudster.

It's well known that Honorable, Noble and Exalted were predictable as long as someone had not had any bans. Honorable was one, Noble two, and Exalted three. What was confusing was when someone was banned/warned, they didn't always lose the title, and sometimes people gained titles after being warned and banned.

This post explains it, I believe.
The 3 ban related prefixes have different requirements, varying time and allowed ban lengths/counts. Sooo. You have a little wiggle room, it seems. I'm guessing it's a ratio of some kind. I don't want to get into exact numbers, because I really don't know much, and I'd just be making them up, but I think it's a safe guess that as you get higher up, you are allowed fewer warnings/bans before dropping down, and Exalted may allow 0 bans/warnings.
I appreciate the credit, but I didn't really discover this. If anything, we both just uncovered an overlooked aspect of the title system. Although, it is really interesting to me that this wasn't found or mentioned earlier.

Just to summarize what this means, under certain circumstances people can keep their ban related prefix even after being banned, where as in the past it was just assumed that bans always remove the ban related prefixes. If I'm not mistaken, it was Pro Kendog who kept his Honorable prefix after receiving a short ban, and now we know why. ^_^

EDIT: Perhaps the OP should be updated with this new information?

Oh come on, man! It was obvious! I posted it a couple pages back.

Damn it, I think I just lied. XD Still, I knew this for a while. If you view the base member titles as combinations of the three attributes, you can see that even though one may be banned, they can retain their title instead of being demoted to member and having to gain all the trust back. That's one example for you.

[Edited on 12.03.2009 9:25 PM PST]

  • 12.03.2009 9:16 PM PDT

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Posted by: Phoenix9508
Oh come on, man! It was obvious! I posted it a couple pages back.

Damn it, I think I just lied. XD Still, I knew this for a while. If you view the base member titles as combinations of the three attributes, you can see that even though one may be banned, they can retain their title instead of being demoted to member and having to gain all the trust back. That's one example for you.
Scapegoat and I aren't talking at all about the Base Titles. Specifically, we were talking about the ban related Prefixes and how bans affect them.

One of Achronos' posts was overlooked, when the Prefixes were first implemented, that explained why someone can still have a ban related Prefix even after being recently banned. Up until now, it was assumed that an individual cannot have a ban related Prefix immediately after being banned, yet there were members who counter-intuitively had ban related prefixes right after being banned. Now we know why.

[Edited on 12.03.2009 9:55 PM PST]

  • 12.03.2009 9:53 PM PDT

I just got my Legendary Member title back and i dint even post in the forums much.

I been posting in groups.

  • 12.04.2009 5:02 AM PDT

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Some time ago, Achronos posted the number of memebrs with each title. I wouldn't mind seeing that again now. The community must be so much larger.

  • 12.04.2009 6:19 AM PDT

Posted by: Pro Kendog
Half way down the page on that same thread - HERE theres an Honorable mythic member?? I don't know how he's held on to the 'honorable' prefix for so long??


He was a Mythic, (doesn't matter what prefix), then went down to Legendary from a ban, then after a year got Mythic back, as well as the Honorable for lack of bans in a year.

  • 12.04.2009 6:38 AM PDT

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Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Some time ago, Achronos posted the number of memebrs with each title. I wouldn't mind seeing that again now. The community must be so much larger.
Here you go.

The user id at that time was probably around 4.9 million. I found an account that was around 5,080,000, and joined a month or so after that post. Right now the user id is somewhere in the mid 7 millions.

  • 12.04.2009 6:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: K1RK H4MM3T
@Achronos:
I knew all that already, so how does it explain the Heroic members who have been on B.net for only a few days? Surely there must be something wrong...


Posted by: Achronos
Uh, because they're positive contributors?

Did you not read the part where length of time isn't always the determining factor?


This is some useful information.

  • 12.04.2009 9:31 AM PDT

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  • 12.04.2009 10:16 AM PDT

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Question:

Yesterday I was an Honorable Legendary Member. I haven't been banned or warned, I haven't completely stopped participating (actually, it has been quite normal), and I haven't dropped below a Heroic Member in about six months now.

Any idea on what happened?

  • 12.04.2009 1:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: paulmarv
Question:

Yesterday I was an Honorable Legendary Member. I haven't been banned or warned, I haven't completely stopped participating (actually, it has been quite normal), and I haven't dropped below a Heroic Member in about six months now.

Any idea on what happened?
Oh wow, that is really weird. I have absolutely no clue. Maybe even dropping you PPD by two could have that kind of effect. I really don't know. I think there is a theory about this posted somewhere in the OP...

  • 12.04.2009 1:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: paulmarv
Question:

Yesterday I was an Honorable Legendary Member. I haven't been banned or warned, I haven't completely stopped participating (actually, it has been quite normal), and I haven't dropped below a Heroic Member in about six months now.

Any idea on what happened?
Yeah, these two posts explain how your title can go down despite you being consistently active.

Posted by: Achronos
Remember, trust is calculated daily, and the maximum value possible changes every day too. Since the titles are based on the percentage your trust value is compared to the maximum value, it can easily change if the max value goes up further than you go up in the intervening time, even if you haven't had any negative items against you.

In other words, no the system isn't buggy, stop asking why your title changed, I'm not going to tell you.

Posted by: Achronos
This isn't hard to understand: the number that underlies the title is relative to the rest of the userbase. As in, your title is determined by what your score is in relation to the person with the highest score for that day. So... if the maximum score goes up further than you go up in the same time period (even if you didn't do anything wrong like get a warning or ban), you can easily lose your title.

So, in conclusion, STOP ASKING ABOUT IT. It isn't a bug, it works as intended, and you just have accept that some things you're not going to be able to know the details of.


The system is a little different now, with the competition divided up into tiers, but I'm pretty sure the same concept applies.

[Edited on 12.04.2009 1:26 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2009 1:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: paulmarv
Question:

Yesterday I was an Honorable Legendary Member. I haven't been banned or warned, I haven't completely stopped participating (actually, it has been quite normal), and I haven't dropped below a Heroic Member in about six months now.

Any idea on what happened?
Yeah, these two posts explain how your title can go down despite you being consistently active.

Posted by: Achronos
Remember, trust is calculated daily, and the maximum value possible changes every day too. Since the titles are based on the percentage your trust value is compared to the maximum value, it can easily change if the max value goes up further than you go up in the intervening time, even if you haven't had any negative items against you.

In other words, no the system isn't buggy, stop asking why your title changed, I'm not going to tell you.

Posted by: Achronos
This isn't hard to understand: the number that underlies the title is relative to the rest of the userbase. As in, your title is determined by what your score is in relation to the person with the highest score for that day. So... if the maximum score goes up further than you go up in the same time period (even if you didn't do anything wrong like get a warning or ban), you can easily lose your title.

So, in conclusion, STOP ASKING ABOUT IT. It isn't a bug, it works as intended, and you just have accept that some things you're not going to be able to know the details of.


The system is a little different now, with the competition divided up into tiers, but I'm pretty sure the same concept applies.

Really? I knew about the concept of trust being a daily percentile relative to other users rather than an absolute and fixed scale, but I remember Achronos mentioning that he changed it to exactly that - an absolute and fixed scale - during one of the updates. I think it was the same one were we got prefixes.

But whatever. I liked having Legendary, but I don't care about it enough to be disappointed.

[Edited on 12.04.2009 2:09 PM PST]

  • 12.04.2009 2:08 PM PDT

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Posted by: Scapegoat413
Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Some time ago, Achronos posted the number of memebrs with each title. I wouldn't mind seeing that again now. The community must be so much larger.
Here you go.

The user id at that time was probably around 4.9 million. I found an account that was around 5,080,000, and joined a month or so after that post. Right now the user id is somewhere in the mid 7 millions.
I'm wondering if those numbers are still in the ballpark.

  • 12.04.2009 2:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: paulmarv
Really? I knew about the concept of trust being a daily percentile relative to other users rather than an absolute and fixed scale, but I remember Achronos mentioning that he changed it to exactly that - an absolute and fixed scale - during one of the updates. I think it was the same one were we got prefixes.

But whatever. I liked having Legendary, but I don't care about it enough to be disappointed.
The system was changed from the relative maximum system about a year ago, but it's not set to an absolute scale to my knowledge.

Posted by: Achronos
... The only other thing that's changed with titles is that the math that selects the base title is significantly different, most notably in that it isn't based on a relative maximum anymore, but specific "tiers" (making things a bit less random). A side effect of the changeover is that it will take a little bit for everything to settle, and some people will have a lower base title. There are a lot less mythic/legendary/heroic members than before.

The competition is still there, just divided into relative tiers instead of spanning the entire population. Someone in your tier could have been inactive allowing you to have a Legendary title, as the competition in your tier would have dropped, then recently became active again resulting in the loss of your title since the competition went up. That's just my guess though.

  • 12.04.2009 2:33 PM PDT