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Subject: FAQ on Bungie.net Member Titles / Prefixes / Bar Colors
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Posted by: st3althsniper22
Posted by: nerd
All the cool users have Member; nothing else.
And all the Smeckshy ones are Fabled Heroic.
The best members are Honorable Heroic members.

  • 01.28.2010 12:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: cRaZyT101
Posted by: st3althsniper22
Posted by: nerd
All the cool users have Member; nothing else.
And all the Smeckshy ones are Fabled Heroic.
The best members are Honorable Heroic members.
I'm pretty sure we should drop this before we go into a war over specific titles.

[Edited on 01.24.2011 1:28 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2010 12:17 PM PDT
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All it took was a stew of whoopass.

Posted by: st3althsniper22
Posted by: cRaZyT101
Posted by: st3althsniper22
Posted by: nerd
All the cool users have Member; nothing else.
And all the Smeckshy ones are Fabled Heroic.
The best members are Honorable Heroic members.
I'm pretty sure we should drop this before we go into a war over specific titles (We have Burrito now).
Fine.
*Still insists Honorable is better*

  • 01.28.2010 12:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: JBSpudster
Posted by: dmbfan09
If this thread isn't a testament to why the titles should be removed, I don't know what is.
I wouldn't have agreed with this statement a few months ago. Sadly, I am starting to agree with it more and more as this thread goes increasingly off topic and on random tangents. :/
I actually disagree. Admittedly this thread is filled with nonsense, which I suggest people cut down on, but it also shows that people care about their title. No, they shouldn't, but they do - for the same reason people spend hours chasing insignificant numerical representations of their worth (hai ranking systems). Humans strive status and it is in our nature to do what we can to gain it. If people care they're more likely to value their account, which should make them more inclined to behave. The more positive incentives the better, in my opinion. I think it is a shame that the title system has little influence on newer accounts.

EDIT: Okay, guys this may be a tad hypocritical considering the nature of this post but please stop using this thread for conversational purposes. It you want to banter, do so via private messages. Keep discussion directly relevant to the title system and only reply when you have something informative to add either to aid users who are confused about how the system operates or give your own observations/theories. JBSpudster is correct, it is becoming very annoying, particularly when he works tirelessly to educate others about the system.

[Edited on 01.28.2010 12:31 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2010 12:25 PM PDT
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All it took was a stew of whoopass.

Posted by: TOM T 117
I think it is a shame that the title system has little influence on newer accounts.
If you're talking about "new" accounts, I hope you're talking about alts. If not, you're mad.

  • 01.28.2010 12:27 PM PDT
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Tom is correct. This thread has turned into crap. I blame myself partly for not keeping up with it, but this thread isn't for people to glorify themselves by saying "oh, i went up in title" or "how many ppd's do I have?" or "The best member is ___" or general spam. It's about discussion towards the title system.

Anything not relevant to the thread after my post will be subject to inspection, and a ban may be issued.

  • 01.28.2010 12:38 PM PDT

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So after reading...usually on your B.net b-day...you get a promotion usually? I'm just trying to understand a bit more.

  • 01.28.2010 1:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: raven7641
So after reading...usually on your B.net b-day...you get a promotion usually? I'm just trying to understand a bit more.

No, there is no set date for getting a new title.

[Edited on 01.28.2010 2:28 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2010 2:07 PM PDT
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Is it just me or are there more Mythic members lately? I never really seemed to see a lot of them before, but then I suddenly got mythic status recently and then I started seeing it all the time.

So does anyone know if the "200" limit went up (from an Achronos post back in '08, which is at the begining of this thread) or did other accounts becoming "inactive" maybe free up some "mythic" spots, or am I just seeing more mythics, because i am one?

  • 01.28.2010 2:18 PM PDT

"There came a man who was sent from God; his name was John. He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all men might believe."
Gospel of John, 1:1-7

Is there a reason that the Web Team doesn't give us more information on Titles?

EDIT: What I mean is, why don't they give us more details on how to rank up, than having us make up our own? Or give us information on how the ranking system really works?

[Edited on 01.28.2010 4:01 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2010 3:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: SociallyPsyco
Is there a reason that the Web Team doesn't give us more information on Titles?
Mostly to keep people from trying to figure out how to manipulate the system.

  • 01.28.2010 3:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Posted by: SociallyPsyco
Is there a reason that the Web Team doesn't give us more information on Titles?
Mostly to keep people from trying to figure out how to manipulate the system.

That's what I was thinking, but a little more information would be helpful, cause we already know the basics of it, maybe just some more detailed explanations? Oh well.

  • 01.28.2010 4:03 PM PDT
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All it took was a stew of whoopass.

Are you sure we know the basics? Or are you taking guesses along side other guesses?

  • 01.28.2010 4:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: SociallyPsyco
Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Posted by: SociallyPsyco
Is there a reason that the Web Team doesn't give us more information on Titles?
Mostly to keep people from trying to figure out how to manipulate the system.

That's what I was thinking, but a little more information would be helpful, cause we already know the basics of it, maybe just some more detailed explanations? Oh well.
Basically, just be a contributing member fo the site. Post in the forums (appropriately), join a couple of groups, link your gamertag, play a little Halo, and let the rest take care of itself.

  • 01.28.2010 4:07 PM PDT
Subject: FAQ on Bungie.net Member Titles / Prefixes / Bar Colors
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EXTREME PREJUDICE

Posted by: Duardo
saying "oh, i went up in title".

Not even for documentation purposes?

[Edited on 01.28.2010 4:14 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2010 4:12 PM PDT
Subject: FAQ on Bungie.net Member Titles

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Posted by: SociallyPsyco
Is there a reason that the Web Team doesn't give us more information on Titles?
Yes.

Posted by: Achronos
Ah, but it can't work that way - you won't be able to see that information. The point of such a system is that it should be a background agent, reducing the impact of bad users and giving a little positive reinforcement to positive posters.

Posted by: X 10000 Fists X
This, if done right, sounds like an awsome idea. I would loved to know who's posts I should take seriously just by, say, waving my mouse over their avatar? That would make the sig box a more prominant feature in the forums, but not so much as to take attention away from the post. Win win maybe?

Posted by: Achronos
First question: no, that defeats the point of the system. You're missing a large chunk of information that explains why, but it is a failure of the system's design if you need to see someone's trust rating (which would mean nothing to you).

Second question: Sort of.

Posted by: X 10000 Fists X
I like the idea you've described, but can't we have a function to show us how "trustworthy" a member is?
And, once/if the system is implemented will it be even for everyone, or will the older, dedicated members be judged on already existing posts?

Posted by: Achronos
Well... yes. The system could take away awards because you'd get warned/banned by a mod for abusing them or being elitist about them. That would reduce your "trust rating", removing the rewards. As to what the rewards are... well, we have a few ideas. None of them involve custom avatars. :)

And yes, i'm being deliberately vague about both rewards and exactly how the system works... because the entire point of the system is that you don't know how it works.

Posted by: aku
I don't think that it would need to be handled any differently than other acts that need to be punished. From what I gather, it seems that the system will look at the information of warnings and blacklists that a member has received, and from that it makes its decision on how "good" or "bad" they are. So if a member abuses their new rewards, they could be warned, or given a short blacklist. The system would take that into account, and punish the member accordingly. So the giving and taking of rewards would be handled within the system itself, with the usual help from moderators to give it information.

That's just what I think. And it isn't complete - something is missing. Achronos is holding something back it seems, and I don't really have any idea what it is right now. But at the simplest level, I would be willing to bed that that is the main idea. Heh... of course, I've been known to lose a bet here and there. ;)

Not knowing exactly how the system works is better for the accuracy of the system, since there will always be people who will manipulate it for personal gain if they know how to do so.

Posted by: SociallyPsyco
... but a little more information would be helpful, cause we already know the basics of it, maybe just some more detailed explanations? Oh well.
That's where the community comes in. If you see a trend or pattern with the titles, post your observations in this thread and create some theories as to why you think those patterns are appearing.

We will never understand how the title system functions except on a shallow level, and I think that is how it should be... However, if we collaborate our knowledge about the system in an organized manner, we can remove a lot of confusion and misconceptions about the system and proceed to understand it just a little bit more. ^_^

  • 01.28.2010 4:18 PM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

Posted by: JBSpudster
tl;dr version - We're not supposed to know how it works.

  • 01.28.2010 4:35 PM PDT

Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Basically, just be a contributing member fo the site. Post in the forums (appropriately), join a couple of groups, link your gamertag, play a little Halo, and let the rest take care of itself.
Those either:

1. Don't matter at all.
2. Don't matter significantly

The only reason I say that is I only got a gamertag a couple weeks ago. I'm sure the experts in this thread have better documentation on if/how it would be factored in.

As for everything else, those should happen automatically. People shouldn't be worrying about how to "rank up," rather they should be worrying about how to be a good member of the community. Let the title do whatever the hell it wants.

(wtb Majestic Epic)

  • 01.28.2010 4:42 PM PDT

Does anyone even read these?

Posted by: dmbfan09
Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Basically, just be a contributing member fo the site. Post in the forums (appropriately), join a couple of groups, link your gamertag, play a little Halo, and let the rest take care of itself.
Those either:

1. Don't matter at all.
2. Don't matter significantly

The only reason I say that is I only got a gamertag a couple weeks ago. I'm sure the experts in this thread have better documentation on if/how it would be factored in.
Well Achronos has hinted that a linked gamertag and playing Bungie games could be a factor in your title. I remember Duardo saying how he went down a title when he unlinked his gamertag and only the other day someone posted a thread saying they lost their Honorable prefix when they unlinked their gamertag. Which actually makes no sense to me as that's to do with ban history.

Unless of course that subtracted from their trust points on every prefix group and he was barely a honorable member. You know what, I'll make a post on my own prediction of the title system.

  • 01.28.2010 5:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: BadBall3r47
Posted by: dmbfan09
Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Basically, just be a contributing member fo the site. Post in the forums (appropriately), join a couple of groups, link your gamertag, play a little Halo, and let the rest take care of itself.
Those either:

1. Don't matter at all.
2. Don't matter significantly

The only reason I say that is I only got a gamertag a couple weeks ago. I'm sure the experts in this thread have better documentation on if/how it would be factored in.
Well Achronos has hinted that a linked gamertag and playing Bungie games could be a factor in your title. I remember Duardo saying how he went down a title when he unlinked his gamertag and only the other day someone posted a thread saying they lost their Honorable prefix when they unlinked their gamertag. Which actually makes no sense to me as that's to do with ban history.

Unless of course that subtracted from their trust points on every prefix group and he was barely a honorable member. You know what, I'll make a post on my own prediction of the title system.
Also, I think someone has said before they went up after linking/playing Halo or something.
I don't think actually playing has to do with it, though.

  • 01.28.2010 5:09 PM PDT
Subject: FAQ on Bungie.net Member Titles / Prefixes / Bar Colors

Does anyone even read these?

Badballer's Explanation on Trust Points
As we know there are 9 prefixes (including absent), I'll stick them in their proper groups.

Ban History
- Honorable
- Noble
- Exalted

Activity
- Absent*
- Intrepid
- Fabled

Length
- Veteren
- Senior
- Elder

Take note though that absent member does not follow the rules, it's a stand alone which follows its own rules. Inactivity for 2 or more months. I simply stuck it in activity down on the lower end of the spectrum of activity. Seperate them all into 3's.

All figures are made up and are being used as examples

Legendary Member = 10 000 TP
Ban History = 3 000 TP
Activity = 4 000 TP
Length = 3 000 TP

This user is either an Intrepid or Fabled Legendary Member.

So why is it that we see some users with no prefix? My guess is that their TP looks a little something like this.

Legendary Member = 10 000 TP
Ban History = 3 000 TP
Activity = 3 000 TP
Length = 4 000 TP

As we know, to even earn the Veteren prefix you have to be a member on bungie.net for 4+ years. The system refuses to give this member a prefix until the Ban History or Activity TP takes over.


Well that's what I think anyway, not really that complex but a theory none the less.

[Edited on 01.28.2010 5:24 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2010 5:22 PM PDT
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It's never easy, is it?

The constant switching between Heroic and regular is quite annoying. I found out recently (but don't know if it's true.) that only a certain number of people may hold the ranks of Heroic, Legendary, and Mythic.

Let's say there can be no more than 10,000 members may hold the title of Heroic, one of them falls into inactivity and a regular member shows his outstanding activeness and is promoted. This would cause the inactive one to drop in rank, correct? Or is the system different than this? This is what I have picked up from the Community.

  • 01.28.2010 5:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: BadBall3r47
Badballer's Explanation on Trust Points
As we know there are 9 prefixes (including absent), I'll stick them in their proper groups.

Ban History
- Honorable
- Noble
- Exalted

Activity
- Absent*
- Intrepid
- Fabled

Length
- Veteren
- Senior
- Elder

Take note though that absent member does not follow the rules, it's a stand alone which follows its own rules. Inactivity for 2 or more months. I simply stuck it in activity down on the lower end of the spectrum of activity. Seperate them all into 3's.

All figures are made up and are being used as examples

Legendary Member = 10 000 TP
Ban History = 3 000 TP
Activity = 4 000 TP
Length = 3 000 TP

This user is either an Intrepid or Fabled Legendary Member.

So why is it that we see some users with no prefix? My guess is that their TP looks a little something like this.

Legendary Member = 10 000 TP
Ban History = 3 000 TP
Activity = 3 000 TP
Length = 4 000 TP

As we know, to even earn the Veteren prefix you have to be a member on bungie.net for 4+ years. The system refuses to give this member a prefix until the Ban History or Activity TP takes over.


Well that's what I think anyway, not really that complex but a theory none the less.


I will agree with you on the concept. I'm a Veteran with no added member title due to my 1 and only ban which happend in Dec. 2009. It was a 5 or 3 day ban, I can't remember.

How long does it take to "shake" away a ban in your history. It's months, not weeks or days. I'm thinking the length of time which prevents your member title from advancing is as follows:

3-day ban: 3 months
7-day ban: 7 months
etc.

You HAVE to "do your time" until you advance your member title up. Activity during this waiting period is important I suppose, even though I have been here for 4 years, once the ban wears off, I won't automatically go to Mythic. Of course your trust points are obviously still counted during this time, however their impact will not be felt until the ban history wears off.

  • 01.28.2010 5:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: dmbfan09
Posted by: Old Papa Rich
Basically, just be a contributing member fo the site. Post in the forums (appropriately), join a couple of groups, link your gamertag, play a little Halo, and let the rest take care of itself.
Those either:

1. Don't matter at all.
2. Don't matter significantly

The only reason I say that is I only got a gamertag a couple weeks ago. I'm sure the experts in this thread have better documentation on if/how it would be factored in.

As for everything else, those should happen automatically. People shouldn't be worrying about how to "rank up," rather they should be worrying about how to be a good member of the community. Let the title do whatever the hell it wants.

(wtb Majestic Epic)
I'm betting that they are not significant at all, but they do matter a little. They are, however, completely in your control. As for not worrying and letting things happen, I couln't agree more.

[Edited on 01.28.2010 6:12 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2010 6:10 PM PDT
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Posted by: S2 Black 0ut
Posted by: Duardo
saying "oh, i went up in title".

Not even for documentation purposes?


I think he is referring to the people that just post to let people know they got a new title.

If is something relative to the topic or a theory I would think it's fine.

Although I haven't posted in this thread alot until recently this rash of people asking when they are going to rank up is a bit annoying.

  • 01.28.2010 6:27 PM PDT