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I understand and yet disagree with the methods.
-They are paid to give ideas, to program, we get didly squat except reassurance that our minds are not completely useless
-when it comes down to it, aren't we all apart of the same community? I may Pump Bungie's Gasoline, but we are all part of an interlinking system that ends in the idea
-We are all become happier
-We all can afford to buy halo (though some quicker then others)

I suppose all I can do is wait and watch since interrogating or harrassing a mod will not do anything.

But thanks for responding, It's not the answer i was looking for, but at least I know that this thread didn't die without some sort of recognition

  • 12.24.2007 10:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
No company that uses terms like, head-to-head, man-on-man, action-sack, and mancannon is homophobic.
I supposed that teabagging is.... what, a representation of a new form of colonoscopy?

If you think you have an awesome idea that will improve Halo or any Bungie game and you believe everyone in the forums is overlooking it, you should consider sending that idea directly to a Bungie employee. If you think that your creativity could increase the success of Bungie and its future games, the only way to get all of your ideas considered by them is to become an employee. It just wouldn't work if they opened up a forum to suggestions for games and improvements to everyone on this site. Also, when you talk about new ideas for Halo, you have to consider that once a console game is released, it is very difficult to make any changes to it (not everyone has Xbox Live or the money to download the new patch). And remember that Halo is coming to an end: next year we might see the movie, Halo Wars, and maybe another map pack, but besides that I am sorry to say it but we will probably see no more Halo releases from Bungie.

  • 12.24.2007 10:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: Sabaton

but I don't think its perfect yet,
And alone I don't think it will ever be, perfect.

This would be development that we could potentially see in later games.
Perhaps volunteers do a little coding on the side, Bungie reviews it at their own disgression.

That sort of thing.
Maybe I'm not the only one with a good idea, maybe you do, maybe another person does. As a community we can develop these ideas to try to make them fit in with the halo setting as much as possible

  • 12.24.2007 11:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
No company that uses terms like, head-to-head, man-on-man, action-sack, and mancannon is homophobic.
I supposed that teabagging is.... what, a representation of a new form of colonoscopy?

Bungie probably could make games faster and get some really good ideas if they did that but if they just opened it up to everyone, there would be very few ideas that would be good enough to be put into a game that millions would play and it would be very hard to see those potentially good ideas if they were diluted by thousands of suggestions that have no possibility of being put into a game. Also, if one person suggests, for instance, a specific weapon layout for a map and they say "The rocket launcher should be here, the sniper should be there. This would balance the map by...." and then someone else suggests "The shotgun should be here, the ghost should be there. This would create better gameplay because..." maybe these are both good ideas but they both can't happen. Bungie would probably be overwhelmed by conflicts like those. I think that Bungie and the community should continue to do what they each do best: they make the games; we play them.

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Little things like map placement should be play tested by community members that are willing to take the time to play test it.
-Hopefully if things go well, Bungie would see that the community made a decent map and then put it in

I'm talking more on the lines of:
-Weapons
-Vehicles
-Melee system
-Movement system
-Radar system
-Ranking system (I don't think I'm as capable of learning the skill system [that seems extremely complex] [but then agian other people might be smart enough to handle it])
-Balancing the weapons so that every weapon has their own place
-Potential improvements like being able to start with a customized weapon set (by making every weapon balanced and have counters based on other weapons and/or playing style)

Like perhaps making Rockets being able to shot out of the air in order to balance the rocket launcher
-Things like this is has more potential then that of map playtesting

However, If we make a core group (A clan if you will) that are willing to test maps to give bungie a break from play testing then we can create better maps without the need to post every two seconds about every single map




I appreciate you being calm with me, its these types of conversations that I think make a community great. Being able to talk about things without flaming or impatience could actually make a good community
-If not to help bungie develop the game, then simply to make this forum comfertable

[Edited on 12.24.2007 1:11 PM PST]

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It's not like I'm expecting Bungie to take all or even any of the suggestions that anyone gives out in the forums.

But what I do expect is good ideas to come out of the forums,
-And bungie can sort through them as they please and choose what they want to use for their next game (halo 4 or whatever)

I am not here to dictate what bungie is going to do,
-I just hope that they give the community space to brainstorm and hope that maybe one day Bungie will swoop down like a vulture on a dead body, and make the communties meat its own.

I will not dictate to bungie what they ought to do,
But this is a fine example of keeping bungies options open while making other people feel like bungie "might" look at the ideas and use them
-This is not the sake of the individual, but the potential game that could be made by uniting both the community and bungie.

Bungie is not perfect, they do not have every Idea ever made, they are not super intelligent beings
-However If we put more ideas out there, focus the playing feild a bit and look to balance things we can find a Diamound in the communities ideas

Maybe you don't understand that this is the difference between Bungie's game and The worlds Game with Bungie as the director

Bungie still gets all the money
Bungie still gets all the glory
But the people can look at bungie and confidently say "This is a company for the people and not for itself"

  • 12.24.2007 3:42 PM PDT

You're a regular member. So in terms you should act like a regular member.
Bungie has it's ways. =)

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Posted by: Coffey4780

i will seek to leave my stereotype
I am the black man looking for the right to vote and yet not even vote, to simply discuss politics in peace

It is up to the politicians (bungie) to decide whether what the community of philosphers (a forum for ideas) has made is worth while.
We are not in charge, yet we would dedicate ourselves to changing things for the better in a place we are safe from flames and where other people dedicate themselves in the same manner.

We are not in charge
Yet we want a place to dedicate ourselves for the good of the future for bungie
In peace, safe from flamers and with critiques looking for the same ideals

I hope you can appreciate that

bungie is probably not a god, they probably will not get themselves out of every situation

They will probably turn into every other company out there
-None of them listen to the people
-No one is here for the people, they are here for their own creativity and money

You can keep the money,
You can keep the creativity

I just hope they realize that they are not the only ones with good ideas,
That this world is probably full of em, but people are too afraid/Angry to put them out there

Just give us a safe place to do it in
-They can choose to use them or not
-But at least the ideas are there

  • 12.24.2007 3:56 PM PDT

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You have been describing the Halo 3 Forum this entire time. [t] There [/i] is a place to propose ideas and such to Bungie, and it's in the Halo 3 Forum. They have seen many ideas and made changes based on the forum, if you take the playlist and Halo 2 updates as evidence. There is no need for another forum, and it will only cause more problems. The moderators have said several times that more forums makes it harder to moderate, and their load is big enough as it is. There is absolutely no need for a "Bugs and Suggestions Only" Forum, because that is what the Halo 3 Forum is there for.

If your idea gets pushed to the bottom, it either wasn't decided good enough to discuss by the community in general, or it was simply overlooked. But, good ideas will, for the most part, exist and thrive. Look at Sonic John's Skulls thread that was in the Halo 2 Forum. That must have been the most enormous thread I have ever seen, and it remained active for a ridiculously long time. This goes to show that good ideas will be seen and discussed.

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thats the thing,
I have seen other peoples ideas pushed to the bottom because people are ignorant

all the "What armor do you like best" threads just pile up.

I'm sorry, I'm not satisfied with that space since it is simply a place for fanboys to ridicule ideas
-You may think its fine, but when you think of an idea that you believe has potential (might not be perfect but has potential) it is quite upsetting to find flames as your main source of thread floats rather then constructive criticism and appreciation

the Halo 3 forum is a fanboys forum,
-It has never been serious, and to try and force it to be serious is as others have said "more work then necessary"

If people go out of their way to flame peoples ideas, at least we know thats cause for IP ban
in a place like the Halo 3 forum, theres so much chaos,
-That I have actually had a mod tell me i was in the wrong when I reported someone for calling me a tard

  • 12.24.2007 4:17 PM PDT

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You're right, those threads are annoying, but that's what the forum is for. Do you really think a Bugs and Suggestions forum would be better? It would mainly be Melee threads, over and over. I'm beginning to think you are mainly upset that your "good" thread was not replied to. But, like I said before, that was either because it was deemed unnecessary or repeated by the community, or it just wasn't discussed. Having another forum will not solve any of this.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Bungie knows that people have great ideas -- that was the entire thrust of Recon's fantastic and mesmerizing post on page 1 of this thread -- they just will not use the vast, vast majority of them. There is no need to rehash what he said except for the preceding.

But I have one further point to add, which as you will see, is sparked by my profession. Bungie needs to be very careful about taking Community ideas. You will see that very few corporations take ideas of any sort from individual customers or fans. Much of the reason for this is what Recon mentioned in his post, but part of the reason is that it is sound business practice not to.

Welcome to the United States, where you can be sued for doing just about anything that involves another person. Imagine this scenario, played out in your ideal universe: Foman125, a Bungie fan, posts an idea in the Bungie Underground for a new FPS game involving new characters, a detailed storyline, and specifics of gameplay mechanics. Bungie sees the idea and thinks that it is great. Two years later, with a few tweaks (the main characters have been renamed, the storyline has some slight changes, and the gameplay mechanics are fine-tuned), the game is published under Bungie's name. Foman125 is proud and happy that Bungie published his game, right up until a lawyer who happens to frequent the Bungie forums sends him a PM. That lawyer says, "hey, you know, that game content belongs to you -- you should be receiving royalties if not outright receiving all of the profits." Foman125, who is normally a nice guy, is mad because he just recently got blacklisted by Recon Number 54, a forum moderator who went on a banning rampage one night. He sues Bungie. Foman125 and Bungie eventually settle for a couple hundred thousand bucks, but that's a couple hundred thousand bucks that didn't go to the shareholders. Bungie's CEO and its creative director are fired, and in their rage, they burn down the Bungie headquarters. The destruction of such a bastion of sheer awesomeness casts a black cloud that covers most of North America and blocks out the sun. All life on Earth subsequently dies.

Despite the improbability of the last part of that story, the first part has happened many times to many different people and companies. Some examples are: David Chase (accused of stealing fan's ideas for The Sopranos), JK Rowling (sued for accused plaigiarism for Harry Potter), Research in Motion (creators of the Blackberry handheld device), Avril Lavigne (sued for stealing tunes of a band she was allegedly a fan of as a child), and Marion Zimmer Bradley (sued for stealing fan fiction based on her Darkover novels).

Bungie encourages thoughts and ideas, as well as fan fiction, but they will never, ever use it or implement anything that could be considered truly original to the author. So yeah, talking about increasing the strength of the trip mine in Halo 3 is one thing, but don't expect Bungie to put your idea for a character into its next game, no matter how good the idea is.

Hope this helps you out, man.

[Edited on 12.24.2007 4:32 PM PST]

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  • 12.24.2007 4:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: formula2
thats the thing,
I have seen other peoples ideas pushed to the bottom because people are ignorant

all the "What armor do you like best" threads just pile up.


Ignorance is bliss. If people really thought there idea was good then they would take the time to explain it properly so that people wouldn't be so ignorant about it.

I'm sorry, I'm not satisfied with that space since it is simply a place for fanboys to ridicule ideas
-You may think its fine, but when you think of an idea that you believe has potential (might not be perfect but has potential) it is quite upsetting to find flames as your main source of thread floats rather then constructive criticism and appreciation


Thats some people, not the entire community, that flame. It just so happens that they are quite highly concentrated in the Halo 3 forum. Mostly because they are newer members who don't know the rules, are to young to care, or know that internet forums are anonymous. If you don't like it there, then don't go there. Easy simple solution to that problem.

the Halo 3 forum is a fanboys forum,
-It has never been serious, and to try and force it to be serious is as others have said "more work then necessary"


You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink. If you were to try to force the Halo 3 forum to be serious, you might succeed with the forum, but you may have no effect on the people that go there

If people go out of their way to flame peoples ideas, at least we know thats cause for IP ban
in a place like the Halo 3 forum, theres so much chaos,
-That I have actually had a mod tell me i was in the wrong when I reported someone for calling me a tard


You don't get IP banned here because it's useless. People with Dynamic IP addresses can get out of that easily.

  • 12.24.2007 4:35 PM PDT
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there would be one... one melee thread,
It would probably have so many posts in it it would become almost a sticky

U'm sure you had your suspicions from the beggining,
I won't lie, I am angered that people reacted to me that way and I would like to resubmit it for people who actually understand the concept to review.
However I am not the only one with Ideas, and I know this will benefit others as well as me.
I would be willing to not throw in my ideas... EVER... in that forum as long as it was created and I could help others make their own ideas masterpeices

Having another forum would solve this and you know it

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Posted by: x Foman123 x

Good call,
I never even thought of that...
Is there a way to prevent this?

The forum could have special access, where all posts and ideas can be used by bungie without legal action associated to it
-We have to agree to something before hand.

That really sucks though,
That just made me feel like its not even worth it

  • 12.24.2007 4:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: formula2
Posted by: x Foman123 x

Good call,
I never even thought of that...
Is there a way to prevent this?

The forum could have special access, where all posts and ideas can be used by bungie without legal action associated to it
-We have to agree to something before hand.

That really sucks though,
That just made me feel like its not even worth it
Yeah, it sucks. What sucks even more is to be thinking about the legal implications of everything. All the time. Don't ever go to law school, kids.

To be honest, though, your idea about signing a contract beforehand is not a bad one, except that it could be easily circumvented by cross-posting the idea with slight variations in multiple threads or multiple websites :-(

[Edited on 12.24.2007 4:45 PM PST]

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Posted by: x Foman123 x

I retract my stance as this idea as a standard for the forum

and leave it as this
-could have been nice, but in the end, the individual is far too greedy

I suppose i really was asking for too much

  • 12.24.2007 4:48 PM PDT

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