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Subject: It's that time again, guys.
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

I'm counting on small scholarships to pay for school next semester, so whatever money I get, needs to go into the best upgrade I can possibly get.

Right now I'm looking on buying a processor and a video card. As far as processors go, any Dual-Core will be better than my P4. I'm considering the Allendale cores (the E2140, etc.)

For graphics cards, I'm buying ATI/AMD next year. No more nVidia for me, too expensive. For this I'm thinking about the 3850, but the 2900GT's gone down in price.

So lemme hear your recommendations. It'll be some time before I get any money, so I'm open to anything. (Except a system overhaul, my mobo is still good and supports Quad-core)

  • 12.24.2007 4:12 PM PDT

I have a E4400 Intel processor,( which makes any game awesome, :P!), so the one you picked should be that bad. And I don't really know about the new ATi cards, but it looks good, haven't looked at computer hard-ware a long time though..

  • 12.24.2007 6:18 PM PDT

AMD Phenom 9500 (2.2GHz) Quad-Core
4 GB PC2 6400 Ram
(Temp) XFX GeForce 8400GS (512MB)
32" LCD HDTV running at 1366x768
HITACHI 160GB & Western Digital 500GB SATA II HDD

I have an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 2.0 GHz (64 bit) and an ATI Radeon 1600XT from HIS and it as held up pretty well. It plays Halo at full res and full everything. I can also play Half Life 2 at full settings and since I have 2 monitors (also becuase the video card has duli monitor outs) I am able to play Half Life 2 stretched across both screens at full res and full everything. AMD seems to be pretty good in performance for the price. You should check out newegg.com. They have really good prices and I got my video card there for about $130.

  • 12.24.2007 8:46 PM PDT

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*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Old and outdated hardware is never a good idea. Go try to play crysis on that and then come back to me.

  • 12.24.2007 9:57 PM PDT

AMD Phenom 9500 (2.2GHz) Quad-Core
4 GB PC2 6400 Ram
(Temp) XFX GeForce 8400GS (512MB)
32" LCD HDTV running at 1366x768
HITACHI 160GB & Western Digital 500GB SATA II HDD

I am currently downloading the demo, but I have looked at the specs and it seems that my computer is very close to the recommended settings for Crysis. Here are my specs:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (2.0 GHz)
2 GB PC3200 RAM
Dual 17" Samsung Monitors
ATI Radeon X1600 Pro (512 MB (128 Bit, DDR2, 780 MHz), 12 Pixel Pipelines, AGP 8X)
120 GB HDD

Doesn't seem to outdated to me.

  • 12.24.2007 10:37 PM PDT

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The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: Blackbird123
I am currently downloading the demo, but I have looked at the specs and it seems that my computer is very close to the recommended settings for Crysis. Here are my specs:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (2.0 GHz)
2 GB PC3200 RAM
Dual 17" Samsung Monitors
ATI Radeon X1600 Pro (512 MB (128 Bit, DDR2, 780 MHz), 12 Pixel Pipelines, AGP 8X)
120 GB HDD

Doesn't seem to outdated to me.


Crysis would eat this system for lunch then poo it out and eat it again.

But don't worry too much about Crysis. It is the rare exception at this point, and frankly is a 7.5/10 game, not 10/10.

  • 12.24.2007 11:26 PM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

Posted by: Blackbird123
I am currently downloading the demo, but I have looked at the specs and it seems that my computer is very close to the recommended settings for Crysis. Here are my specs:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (2.0 GHz)
2 GB PC3200 RAM
Dual 17" Samsung Monitors
ATI Radeon X1600 Pro (512 MB (128 Bit, DDR2, 780 MHz), 12 Pixel Pipelines, AGP 8X)
120 GB HDD

Doesn't seem to outdated to me.

My 7600GT beats that card by a stretch, and it struggles with Bioshock. That card is really outdated though, did your computer happen to be pre-built? A compaq maybe?

All I'm looking for is a modern video card and a dual-core CPU. Nothing fancy, like the 8800Ultra. That's way beyond my price point.

EDIT: I already ran the Crysis demo, don't bother running it with that card, you'll be confined to low settings, and you'll be lucky to get 20fps. REEDIT: I got the E4500 today, not running it right now because I shorted my board, so I'm waiting for it to discharge so I can use it again. Working on the 3850 now.

[Edited on 12.25.2007 3:16 PM PST]

  • 12.25.2007 4:53 AM PDT
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Posted by: Blackbird123
I am currently downloading the demo, but I have looked at the specs and it seems that my computer is very close to the recommended settings for Crysis. Here are my specs:

AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (2.0 GHz)
2 GB PC3200 RAM
Dual 17" Samsung Monitors
ATI Radeon X1600 Pro (512 MB (128 Bit, DDR2, 780 MHz), 12 Pixel Pipelines, AGP 8X)
120 GB HDD

Doesn't seem to outdated to me.

Not only is your processor horrible, but so is your video card, and not to mention Crysis is at a 2GB of RAM minimum. It won't matter though, considering your processor is going to choke on trying to process even what your outdated and horrible video card can try to do.

I used to be like you once. Then I realized nVidia does actually know what they're doing with their products, which would make sense why they're taking the industry by storm. AMD finally has struck back with their latest series of mid-range cards. Took them long enough though.

  • 12.25.2007 5:05 PM PDT

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Crysis is a 1.5gb of ram mimimun, and under recommended video card is a nvidia geforce 8800 with direct x 10 and 512 mb. I don't know anything about ATI graphics, I've only used intel and nvidia graphics.

  • 12.25.2007 5:59 PM PDT

AMD Phenom 9500 (2.2GHz) Quad-Core
4 GB PC2 6400 Ram
(Temp) XFX GeForce 8400GS (512MB)
32" LCD HDTV running at 1366x768
HITACHI 160GB & Western Digital 500GB SATA II HDD

You know, every time this happens. You decide to give your 2 cents and tell someone what you got and how well it is working for you and what you use it for and then these people come out of nowhere and cut you down. You know those people. The ones that go out and spend there whole pay check to get the latest video card or game. Well you can just stuff it! Some people try to SAVE there money. And anyway all the games I play work pretty freakin well on this processor, with this ram and with this video card (I.E. Half Life 2, Halo PC and Call of Duty 4). So you can just stuff it! Also what the heck is the point of going and getting a video card that is constantly getting 200 FPS?!?! Your eye can't see any diff over 60 FPS! Other question, how is a 1 year old processor and a 1 year old video card "outdated"?!

[Edited on 12.26.2007 12:22 AM PST]

  • 12.26.2007 12:15 AM PDT
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The processor was never any good to begin with. AMD likes to use big numbers and letters to make you think you're getting something better when you really aren't. Also, the AMD AthlonXP 3000+ is four years old. Halo PC doesn't even count, considering what a weakling it is in requirements as it pales in comaprison, and I get the strong feeling you're BSing about running "freakin well" with Half Life 2 and Call of Duty 4, unless you're running 800x600 and disabled all the fancy effects.

As a matter of fact, a Pentium 4 can outperform the AMD AthlonXP 3000+. That's how horrible your processor is.

Ugh, and don't even get me started on the X1600. I used to have an X1600XT. I know how much of a joke that card is. It chokes on itself and cannot even handle the due process of things. Don't lie to me. I know very well you have choppy game play past anything 2004-2005. Let's bring out Oblivion and see how well you do, huh? And Oblivion was yesteryear's benchmark for graphics.

But, you know, every time this happens. You decide to give your 2 cents and tell someone what they have is horrible and then they try to justify it because it works great on a four year old game like Halo PC or that they can run CoD4 at the lowest settings. You also know when someone is lying about even having a job, because the very setup that I have now was three weeks' worth of pay, and the only thing I can think of one would save up at the age range of 14-18 would be to save up for college, and that's if they're dumb enough not to apply for scholarships, because you'll never be able to save up enough to pay off even the first two years in tuitions and book fees. Forget about it if we're then talking about room and board.

So yeah, if you're going to get ticked when people tell you the truth about your build, then you shouldn't put yourself out there like that.

  • 12.26.2007 6:42 AM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

Ha ha, oh wow.

But seriously, anyone know what to do to this mobo, apparently it grounded, but I need to use it now.

  • 12.26.2007 7:30 AM PDT

AMD Phenom 9500 (2.2GHz) Quad-Core
4 GB PC2 6400 Ram
(Temp) XFX GeForce 8400GS (512MB)
32" LCD HDTV running at 1366x768
HITACHI 160GB & Western Digital 500GB SATA II HDD

The processor was never any good to begin with. AMD likes to use big numbers and letters to make you think you're getting something better when you really aren't. Also, the AMD AthlonXP 3000+ is four years old. Halo PC doesn't even count, considering what a weakling it is in requirements as it pales in comaprison, and I get the strong feeling you're BSing about running "freakin well" with Half Life 2 and Call of Duty 4, unless you're running 800x600 and disabled all the fancy effects.

As a matter of fact, a Pentium 4 can outperform the AMD AthlonXP 3000+. That's how horrible your processor is.

Ugh, and don't even get me started on the X1600. I used to have an X1600XT. I know how much of a joke that card is. It chokes on itself and cannot even handle the due process of things. Don't lie to me. I know very well you have choppy game play past anything 2004-2005. Let's bring out Oblivion and see how well you do, huh? And Oblivion was yesteryear's benchmark for graphics.

But, you know, every time this happens. You decide to give your 2 cents and tell someone what they have is horrible and then they try to justify it because it works great on a four year old game like Halo PC or that they can run CoD4 at the lowest settings. You also know when someone is lying about even having a job, because the very setup that I have now was three weeks' worth of pay, and the only thing I can think of one would save up at the age range of 14-18 would be to save up for college, and that's if they're dumb enough not to apply for scholarships, because you'll never be able to save up enough to pay off even the first two years in tuitions and book fees. Forget about it if we're then talking about room and board.

So yeah, if you're going to get ticked when people tell you the truth about your build, then you shouldn't put yourself out there like that.


First this is that I DON'T have an AMD AthlonXP 3000+, I have an AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (64-bit). Slight difference! And since you dont beleive me that I am able to play Half Life 2 across both displays at full settings and full res, and that you don't seem to believe me that I can play Call of Duty 4 on full res and full settings (without Anti-Aliasing, BC the video card already does it) I will use FRAPS totake full res screenshots (WITH the FPS) of my gameplay. I'll be back with the photos in a bit.

Your whole last paragraph made no freakin sense!

[Edited on 12.26.2007 3:53 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2007 1:08 PM PDT
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wow way to be a bunch of asses guys. To build something that would be up to your guys specifications for a new PC it would be upwards of a grand. It takes a little while saving up a grand. I'm 19 and I live on my own and i have a full time job and its hard enough paying for bills and food let alone saving up to build a new computer. Not all of us can afford that new quad core and two of the new top of the line nvidia cards. I have a similar setup in my PC that i built oh probably 2 years ago when my other computer took a -blam!- on me. AMD 64 3400+, 2GB of ram and the same graphics card X1600Pro that i now overclocked to XT specs. Sure its starting to show its age now. It runs the Crysis demo on minimum settings always atleast 30 fps which is fine (the game sucks balls anyway) and yes that setup runs COD4 maxed even full res in the 30-40fps range. It may be outdated but it certainely isn't bad.

  • 12.26.2007 5:21 PM PDT

AMD Phenom 9500 (2.2GHz) Quad-Core
4 GB PC2 6400 Ram
(Temp) XFX GeForce 8400GS (512MB)
32" LCD HDTV running at 1366x768
HITACHI 160GB & Western Digital 500GB SATA II HDD

wow way to be a bunch of asses guys. To build something that would be up to your guys specifications for a new PC it would be upwards of a grand. It takes a little while saving up a grand. I'm 19 and I live on my own and i have a full time job and its hard enough paying for bills and food let alone saving up to build a new computer. Not all of us can afford that new quad core and two of the new top of the line nvidia cards. I have a similar setup in my PC that i built oh probably 2 years ago when my other computer took a -blam!- on me. AMD 64 3400+, 2GB of ram and the same graphics card X1600Pro that i now overclocked to XT specs. Sure its starting to show its age now. It runs the Crysis demo on minimum settings always atleast 30 fps which is fine (the game sucks balls anyway) and yes that setup runs COD4 maxed even full res in the 30-40fps range. It may be outdated but it certainely isn't bad.

Thank you for the support. Some people don't just get everything handed to them or they don't need/want the top of the line. The top of the line changes just about every 6-7 months and it is VERY hard to keep up with if you don't have that high paying job or if you actually have to pay for the things you want out of your own pocket.

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  • 12.26.2007 7:06 PM PDT
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wow way to be a bunch of asses guys. To build something that would be up to your guys specifications for a new PC it would be upwards of a grand. It takes a little while saving up a grand. I'm 19 and I live on my own and i have a full time job and its hard enough paying for bills and food let alone saving up to build a new computer. Not all of us can afford that new quad core and two of the new top of the line nvidia cards. I have a similar setup in my PC that i built oh probably 2 years ago when my other computer took a -blam!- on me. AMD 64 3400+, 2GB of ram and the same graphics card X1600Pro that i now overclocked to XT specs. Sure its starting to show its age now. It runs the Crysis demo on minimum settings always atleast 30 fps which is fine (the game sucks balls anyway) and yes that setup runs COD4 maxed even full res in the 30-40fps range. It may be outdated but it certainely isn't bad.

It would be upwards to a grand if you know jack-s*** about buying computer parts, and most people don't. I spent $800 for my current rig.

And don't bs me either. You are not living out on your own. At 19 you are either living on college campus, and if you don't have scholarships paying for more than 75% of your crap then that's no one's fault but your own. And if you aren't going to college, then congratulations, you're setting yourself up for disaster, and you then live with a roommate/roommates. Again, no one's fault but your own. The specs are outdated, and even a 64 bit at 3400+ is horrible. You can't deal with that, then, again, that's no one's problem but your own.

Posted by: Blackbird123
Thank you for the support. Some people don't just get everything handed to them or they don't need/want the top of the line. The top of the line changes just about every 6-7 months and it is VERY hard to keep up with if you don't have that high paying job or if you actually have to pay for the things you want out of your own pocket.

Again, letting us all know how well you know computers. If you buy a mid ranged card right now, the best of the line for the best for the bang for your buck, like, say, the 8800GT, you won't need to upgrade that card for AT LEAST a year and a half, and then two years and plus if you want to go your route of, "Oh no, 20 FPS is ok, it gets choppy every now and then, but I'm happy with it."

And this didn't get handed to me. I actually played my cards right when I was in high school. I was able to get those scholarships that pay for my schooling. I live with my brother and pay him rent as well. Want to know what the secret to the success is? I got a decent job, that's what. That isn't "getting it handed to you;" that's called, "playing your cards correctly." Reality hit me back when I was 14; I'm so sorry that you guys are still living in the fantasy world and hiding behind your insecurities and having to call down anyone that planned ahead or used their brain.

  • 12.26.2007 7:33 PM PDT
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I know i don't know you but you certainely come off as an arrogant prick. Yes i am 19 and live ON MY OWN. I went to college for a year and got a degree in game design. I actually plan to start a computer repair business with a friend of mine once we have some more start up money saved up. I'm glad you went to college and got a decent paying job. I just haven't had the luck you have but thank you for insulting my intellegence. And seriously a grand or $800 who seriously gives a -blam!- its a 200 dollar difference, i just tossed a # out there in the range it would be, I very well know you could probably build something a little cheaper. Feel free to pick apart my sentence structure, spelling and grammar while your at it. I'm sure i have a few fragments and typos. You seem like the type to do that.

and i never said my pc was the ultimate gaming pc, i said it worked quite well for what it was. I know everything in it is actually quite old but I'm not lying trying to make it seem better then it is.

[Edited on 12.26.2007 9:46 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2007 9:35 PM PDT
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Hey, I'm not the one jumping all over the place after being proven wrong. You could've just said, "Ok, I see your point. Sorry for assuming," but like the other user, you take it to the next step.

I'm not putting you down in any way. You fully were aware of what you were getting yourself into when you chose that career path. There's nothing wrong with that, but what is wrong with that is when you patronize others that actually put some time into this stuff. That's where you crossed the line, and that's when you opened up a can of Spaghetti-O's that aren't to your liking.

  • 12.26.2007 9:47 PM PDT
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I see that you actually are not a prick and am sorry for saying that in the first place. I still don't see how i was proven wrong about anything, i was just stating a fact about my computer setup. The reason i came back on the defensive was for what seemed to be an attack on my character which you have kindly stated it was not.

  • 12.26.2007 10:11 PM PDT

AMD Phenom 9500 (2.2GHz) Quad-Core
4 GB PC2 6400 Ram
(Temp) XFX GeForce 8400GS (512MB)
32" LCD HDTV running at 1366x768
HITACHI 160GB & Western Digital 500GB SATA II HDD

For a totally top o the line pc it would cost about $1300. The only thing that is really pissing me off is that you pretty much assume that you know my situation and that you know what kind of job I have and what kind of money I make or even that you know how old I am.

First I am only a senior in High school. I just got a job at my school district building there website using ASP and a DB. I am creating it so that every thing can be controlled by a control panel. I am not the richest kid on the block but it is pretty nice when someone comes to you asking you to work for them. I have just applied to a college where I plan to do Motion Graphic Design. I am working on getting an account to FASFA so that I can get Financial Aid. So I am not just sitting on my butt complaining.

I think it is the way you say everything. It just puts me in defensive more for some reason. I also think that you could be a little bit less of an a** hole. You seemed to be one from the start. I hate those kind of people that just come out of nowhere and are an a** hole from the start. Why is it that you seem to think that everyone is BS'ing you?

And no my computer is not pre-built. It was built by me when I was on a limited budget.

[Edited on 12.26.2007 10:23 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2007 10:21 PM PDT

AMD Phenom 9500 (2.2GHz) Quad-Core
4 GB PC2 6400 Ram
(Temp) XFX GeForce 8400GS (512MB)
32" LCD HDTV running at 1366x768
HITACHI 160GB & Western Digital 500GB SATA II HDD

You know the funny thing is that this whole topic went from someone asking advice for a video card to someone -blam!-ing that my computer is slow when no one asked him.

  • 12.26.2007 10:27 PM PDT
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You asked it to be about your computer when you lied to him and said that he'll be fine with a low setup. That's called giving bad advice. When you give bad advice you get negative feedback. Again, you set yourself up for that and you have no one to blame but yourself, just like how you think it will cost $1,300 for a "top of the line computer." I'm not sure what you didn't understand about my current setup of this:

Mainboard : Gigabyte P35-DS3R
Processor : Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2333 MHz
Physical Memory : 4096 MB (4 x 1024 DDR2-SDRAM )
Video Card : Nvidia Corp NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
Hard Disk : SATA (250 GB)
Hard Disk : SATA (320 GB)
DVD-Rom Drive : HL-DT-ST DVDRRW GSA-H21L SCSI CdRom Device
DVD-Rom Drive : KW5010O OYT954V SCSI CdRom Device
Network Card : Realtek Semiconductor RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC
Operating System : Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.01.2600 Service Pack 2
Mouse: Microsoft N71-00007S Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical Wheel Mouse
Keyboard: Logitech 967740-0403 Black 104 Normal Keys 8 Function Keys USB Standard Internet 350 USB Keyboard
Power Supply: APEVIA ATX-AS680W-BL ATX12V
Case: APEVIA X-CRUISER-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Costing only $800.

Also, you "job situation" is that you really don't have one. You waited for someone to give you an opportunity, and given that there are limitless opportunities, you could very well be working some where else earning pay and hours that you enjoy. And don't stop at FAFSA either. FAFSA only takes into consideration of your parent income. Apply for other scholarships as well, especially considering the deadline for most of them is coming around the corner.

And I also think you're being one-sided on this. People first were civil about it, saying that the advice you were giving was bad, and you flew back in here and opened up a can of worms, just like most people do in your defense. "Oh, well EXCUSE ME if I don't have a top of the line computer," or, "Oh, well EXCUSE ME if mommy and daddy don't pay for all of my stuff." It's like Godwin's Law really, except for people with outdated builds that try to defend them, and when they're called out on it, they use those common defenses. I had to wait two years until I could make that move to my current setup, and there's nothing worse then seeing other people say, "Oh, this two year old setup is fine. You'll be fine," is just insulting.

  • 12.27.2007 9:30 AM PDT
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Most of the PC issues posted here are the result of PEBKAC.

My parents have the 3500+, and it isn't very good.

Whatever the case, that's a pretty good $800 rig. Last year, I paid $500 and got some pretty decent parts. This year, I plan on spending less. But back to the original topic, you guys think a 3850 will work for me for a good 7 months?

  • 12.27.2007 12:42 PM PDT
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Just put in another $50 - $100 for the 3870 and you'll be set for more than a year and a half or two years plus.

  • 12.28.2007 2:58 AM PDT

AMD Phenom 9500 (2.2GHz) Quad-Core
4 GB PC2 6400 Ram
(Temp) XFX GeForce 8400GS (512MB)
32" LCD HDTV running at 1366x768
HITACHI 160GB & Western Digital 500GB SATA II HDD

You asked it to be about your computer when you lied to him and said that he'll be fine with a low setup. That's called giving bad advice. When you give bad advice you get negative feedback. Again, you set yourself up for that and you have no one to blame but yourself, just like how you think it will cost $1,300 for a "top of the line computer." I'm not sure what you didn't understand about my current setup of this:

Mainboard : Gigabyte P35-DS3R
Processor : Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 @ 2333 MHz
Physical Memory : 4096 MB (4 x 1024 DDR2-SDRAM )
Video Card : Nvidia Corp NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT
Hard Disk : SATA (250 GB)
Hard Disk : SATA (320 GB)
DVD-Rom Drive : HL-DT-ST DVDRRW GSA-H21L SCSI CdRom Device
DVD-Rom Drive : KW5010O OYT954V SCSI CdRom Device
Network Card : Realtek Semiconductor RTL8168/8111 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet NIC
Operating System : Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.01.2600 Service Pack 2
Mouse: Microsoft N71-00007S Black 3 Buttons 1 x Wheel USB Wired Optical Wheel Mouse
Keyboard: Logitech 967740-0403 Black 104 Normal Keys 8 Function Keys USB Standard Internet 350 USB Keyboard
Power Supply: APEVIA ATX-AS680W-BL ATX12V
Case: APEVIA X-CRUISER-BK Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Costing only $800.

Also, you "job situation" is that you really don't have one. You waited for someone to give you an opportunity, and given that there are limitless opportunities, you could very well be working some where else earning pay and hours that you enjoy. And don't stop at FAFSA either. FAFSA only takes into consideration of your parent income. Apply for other scholarships as well, especially considering the deadline for most of them is coming around the corner.

And I also think you're being one-sided on this. People first were civil about it, saying that the advice you were giving was bad, and you flew back in here and opened up a can of worms, just like most people do in your defense. "Oh, well EXCUSE ME if I don't have a top of the line computer," or, "Oh, well EXCUSE ME if mommy and daddy don't pay for all of my stuff." It's like Godwin's Law really, except for people with outdated builds that try to defend them, and when they're called out on it, they use those common defenses. I had to wait two years until I could make that move to my current setup, and there's nothing worse then seeing other people say, "Oh, this two year old setup is fine. You'll be fine," is just insulting.


First I never told him what to get. I just told him what I had and was going to let him listen or not. I am sorry that you take everything personal. Sounds like you need some help. The only reason I keep going on about this is because you keep coming back with -blam!- telling me my pc sucks. Some people just don't know how to drop it. Well I'm gonna be the bigger man and stop this -blam!- so that this guy can get an answer.

  • 12.28.2007 1:14 PM PDT

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