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Subject: Questions About Bans And Alternate Bnet Accounts

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Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: The First Legend
Now, after reading this thread I noticed something rather interesting. The only group ses is in a group called xIRONxCURTAINx, where in the member list here there are 2 sesquipadelian accounts. Amazingly enough, if you click on the other ses' name here you will see that the account was permanently banned. This leaves us with two possible options, Ses is in a group along with someone who faked his name to create problems for him, act like an ass, etc. or he himself made an alternate account and was permabanned on it. That being said, i dont make accusations without clear proof, as I've told him not to and i try not to be a hypocrite, so Ill let you draw your own conclusions on this, but either way, if he is in groups with someone making alts, or he himself is making alts.

Screeny

Just seems weird to me

Why must you, and far too many other people, make such a damn big deal about alternate accounts. So what if they feel that they didn't deserve to be banned or they're just trying to cause trouble? You're simply expediting their goal, which is to draw attention.

Every time I see somene accuse another of having an secondary account or try to martyr themselves claiming to be some self-righteous holy man who doesn't approve of alternate accounts, I think to myself, "Way to go, jerk. You just gave a reason for people to make more alternate accounts, 'cause you give them attention and that's what they want."

You don't treat blood loss by taking more blood, you don't stop a nicotene addiction by smoking more cigarettes. Why the hell, then, do you think you can stop attention-mongers by knowingly giving them attention? Why people have a chronic disease where they cannot grasp and understand this is quite possibly a bigger problem then the alternate accounts themselves.

  • 12.29.2007 12:53 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

Posted by: The First Legend
Now, after reading this thread I noticed something rather interesting. The only group ses is in a group called xIRONxCURTAINx, where in the member list here there are 2 sesquipadelian accounts. Amazingly enough, if you click on the other ses' name here you will see that the account was permanently banned. This leaves us with two possible options, Ses is in a group along with someone who faked his name to create problems for him, act like an ass, etc. or he himself made an alternate account and was permabanned on it. That being said, i dont make accusations without clear proof, as I've told him not to and i try not to be a hypocrite, so Ill let you draw your own conclusions on this, but either way, if he is in groups with someone making alts, or he himself is making alts.

Screeny

Just seems weird to me


this post seems weird to me. i stopped responding to any posts by first legend a little while ago. since then, he has reposted himself repeatedly in attempts to get me to post about his thoughts, and now he has done something VERY odd. for some reason, he has followed me to this forum. not only that, but he went to the trouble to do loads of fact checking to look into my account history. that shows impressive understanding of the bnet system for a guy with a brand new bnet account.

in any case, i will address his findings. the bnet account that i post on all of the time is the bnet account that i use. it is about 3 years old and active. it is linked to my gt, and it has always been linked to my gt. all of my posts and all of my halo mm details are open to all to see. i also have another bnet account with my login name spelled slightly differently. that account is dormant and i do not post on that account.

some time ago (i think it was over a year ago) someone set up a bnet account with a name that looked identical to mine (i do not know how he did it). he also selected the same avatar as me and he posted altered quotes from posts that i made. he also broke various forum rules on that account, and, according to first legend's findings, that bogus account was banned permanently. the account that first legend mentioned was opened long ago and has been dormant (i suppose) for about a year.

so, as everyone can see, i post on one account and that account reflects facts about me in bnet and in halo mm. and, for some reason, somebody at one point made an account in an attempt to look like my account, and that account (whatever it is) was banned. those are all of the relevant facts about my bnet account and activity.

now let's look at first legend's bnet activity. he has a brand new bnet account. even though his account only indicates about a month of life, he seems to know his way around bnet like a seasoned forum vet. he spent considerable time following me to another forum and to another thread, he posted his concerns about my bnet activity, and he spent who knows how much time looking into my group membership and tracking down bnet accounts that have not been active in lord knows how long. first legend reposts his own posts in attempts to get me to address his thoughts (this can be seen now in the optimatch forums, assuming that he will not go and alter those posts). first legend also spent considerable time tracking down quotes that i have made in various posts over the last how ever many months and has made off-topic posts doing nothing more than poking fun at me. first legend's brand new account does not have his gt linked. first legend's posts frequently violate forum rules, including this one, where he has used foul language.

looking at my bnet account history (which is extensive and accessible to all) and looking at first legend's bnet account history (which started recently at a time that corresponds to the cessation of activity of another guy who followed me around from thread to thread and broke forum rules with regularity), which one looks more like an alt account made in an attempt to avoid a bnet ban?

first legend, please do not post such wild speculation about me in the future. the conclusions that you jump to never cease to amaze me. that anyone would see my bnet activity and suppose that i am posting on alt accounts to avoid bnet bans is beyond me.

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Posted by: The First Legend
Now, after reading this thread I noticed something rather interesting. The only group ses is in a group called xIRONxCURTAINx, where in the member list here there are 2 sesquipadelian accounts. Amazingly enough, if you click on the other ses' name here you will see that the account was permanently banned. This leaves us with two possible options, Ses is in a group along with someone who faked his name to create problems for him, act like an ass, etc. or

Just seems weird to me


It shouldn't be weird.Ses argues for certain things in optimatch and his posts are usually logically sound so people get irate. There are other alternate ses poser accounts that people have made and looking at the user's posts it's obvious that user account is a poser.

Somebody was so obsessed with him he/she even made a hate group based soley on sesquipadelian, here. So the odds that your cited account is a poser is high.

Anyways I've found the same thing also with the same people making new accounts to bypass their ban in optimatch, it's actually quite prevalent there.Too bad the only way to efficiently combat this is to make optimatch a more selective forum.

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Posted by: The First Legend
Did you not realize the fact that they are in the same closed group, of only 24 members? Or that the account was active for over 9 months? Please.


Group is old, could of been open before , and ses has the common rank that means the poser account could of got into the group without ses knowing.

You only assume things that are in allignment with your purpose.

What is true is that people made a group about him there's like 10 ses poser accounts and if you look at your cited account recent posts it's obviously a troll.

Your making big deal out of nothing, maybe ses is right about these alts.

[Edited on 12.29.2007 1:30 PM PST]

  • 12.29.2007 1:27 PM PDT

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Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: The First Legend
Posted by: prometheus25
Posted by: The First Legend
Now, after reading this thread I noticed something rather interesting. The only group ses is in a group called xIRONxCURTAINx, where in the member list here there are 2 sesquipadelian accounts. Amazingly enough, if you click on the other ses' name here you will see that the account was permanently banned. This leaves us with two possible options, Ses is in a group along with someone who faked his name to create problems for him, act like an ass, etc. or he himself made an alternate account and was permabanned on it. That being said, i dont make accusations without clear proof, as I've told him not to and i try not to be a hypocrite, so Ill let you draw your own conclusions on this, but either way, if he is in groups with someone making alts, or he himself is making alts.

Screeny

Just seems weird to me

Why must you, and far too many other people, make such a damn big deal about alternate accounts. So what if they feel that they didn't deserve to be banned or they're just trying to cause trouble? You're simply expediting their goal, which is to draw attention.

You do know the person I was talking about MADE A WHOLE THREAD ABOUT ALTERNATE ACCOUNTS right? So wouldnt he be the more relevant choice for this type of statement?


You are both equally targetable. You had just happened to have pissed me off more, as well as the fact that you left yourself much more vulnerable to being countered than the OP had.


Every time I see somene accuse another of having an secondary account or try to martyr themselves claiming to be some self-righteous holy man who doesn't approve of alternate accounts, I think to myself, "Way to go, jerk. You just gave a reason for people to make more alternate accounts, 'cause you give them attention and that's what they want."

I gave him more attention, in his own thread? And now you are furthering the issue by quoting me and responding. So, now you are being a hypocrite, just like the OP. Good call.


Nothing like "hypocrite" to shift the apparent blame from the quoted to the quoter. I see no validitiy in your reclamation; if you went through the trouble to call out Ses, why not do the same here? I'm sensing inconsistancy.


You don't treat blood loss by taking more blood, you don't stop a nicotene addiction by smoking more cigarettes. Why the hell, then, do you think you can stop attention-mongers by knowingly giving them attention? Why people have a chronic disease where they cannot grasp and understand this is quite possibly a bigger problem then the alternate accounts themselves.

Did I ever say that there wasnt a bigger problem? Please, only respond to what I actually say, not whatever crap you're coming up with.


That comment wasn't directed to just you, but the community as a whole. Meanwhile, this is a discussion, not a "Yes"/"No" conversation about what the original post had brought up. My comments were within the established Terms of Use and Code of Conduct and they pertained to the larger discussion of this thread; I had seperated the comment into its own paragraph, as it eluded to it's own thought process and was unique enough to warrant it's own syntax structure.

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Posted by: The First Legend
So wait, you mean to tell me in a closed group, of only 24 people, he wouldnt notice someone with the exact same login in the last year plus? Yes, devils advocate, I understand why you are arguing, but really, its too obvious.


The group is old your assuming that it's alwayshas been close and that it always was small. It is completely possible that the poser account wanted to join the group and it wasn't very selective and he got in. What's so special about a poser acount being in the same group with the real account.

And yes your ignoring the many poser accounts of se, the hate group that some kid made and the accounts previous posts that make it obvious that it is in fa ct a poser account.

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Why do you always have to split up the posts? it's an eyesore to me :/

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Posted by: The First Legend
Actually I'm not ignoring anything. If you wish to try to connect the two issues please explain why no other ses alts are in that group? Wouldnt people want to join the same groups to create a more similar looking group? Probably. So, the odds are it wasnt the same person, or they wouldve tried the same behavior.

Almost anything is "completely possible" and some things which are "completely possible" are highly unlikely. This is one of those highly unlikely, but possible things. Again highly unlikely. Wait, I used text markups, I'm a forum vet, and MUST be an alt.

Its the septagon, you should know off topic posts are against the rules. Try the edit feature next time.


I'm not the master on creating alt accounts, sorry.

How can you explain that account's posts? Hurling insults with no regard to rules, and obvious troll account in my view.

Are they? I think it's fine a moderator can warn/ban me if they don't think so.

  • 12.29.2007 1:44 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
In the Septagon is where I spend most of my days.
Relaxin', maxin', posting all cool,
Talking about Halo, life and some school.
Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: The First Legend
Much more vulnerable? Get real. I posted information bringing the OP's stance on this thread into question. It was entirely on topic, as this thread is for the discussion of alternate accounts, and I never actually said it was ses in my first post, I listed it as a possibility. Read the whole post before responding.


I am quite real, at the moment. I never stated why I had the opinion of your comment being more vulnerable, so please don't place words in my mouth with such things as "It was entirely on topic, as this thread is for the discussion of alternate accounts, and I never actually said it was ses in my first post, I listed it as a possibility." In addition, I would have had to read your entire post to have replied to it, wouldn't I? If I hadn't read your post in its entirety, then that would suggest I didn't care about what you had to say, and therefore would not have been compelled to rebuttle.

So are you trying to dispute that you are a hypocrite? You gave added attention to something, then attacked someone for giving added attention. You are a hypocrite, end of story.

I disagree with your assessment. You see, my original comment that this quote rebuttled was that those people that call other people alternate accounts are not only embarrasing themselves from my point of view, but they encourage the persistancy of alternate account making. You're welcome to interpret my comment how you wish, but that was my intention so it matters not to me.


So basically you made a post about some random posting traits that were general in these forums, nothing on alternate accounts? so how is being off topic "within the established Terms of Use and Code of Conduct" just so that I know.


Why the hell, then, do you think you can stop attention-mongers by knowingly giving them attention?

That's from my original reply to you. In conjunction with...

"...You just gave a reason for people to make more alternate accounts, 'cause you give them attention and that's what they want."

...I established what/who "attention-mongers" are. Therefore, I related my entire post, believe it or not, to the purpose of this thread which is, believe it or not again, about alternate accounts.

  • 12.29.2007 1:48 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

Posted by: Sexbox
Hahahaha Mr sesquipasquidward is trying to play the victim in the situation he got himself into. Okay I'll buy it.

Squidward, how many times have you gone around and accused me, legend, 104fred, and countless members alternate accounts in the Optimatch forum? Isn't that a tad off topic during a forum debate in a thread that's in a forum dedicated to matchmaking discussion? Many times but in this scenario you are accusing Legend of doing that. That's just funny to me and I wanted to point that out, hypocrisy is cool now?

About that alternate account he linked to. You said that was a "troll" correct? You also said you were aware of his acts correct? Okay lets say you are being truthful right now, why didn't you report said troll to the proper authorities? IE Moderators. He had a pretty damn long activity here on bnet, 9.5 months to be exact. I'm sure it doesn't take 3/4 of a year for a moderator to look in his PM box for a report by you stating pillage/twitch/whatever is trolling you... for 9.5 months.


uhg. sexbox is another account that i have grown tired of responding to. and, in what is a huge shock, sexbox and first legend have come to another thread to post their feelings about me. i am not going to do the research, but i wonder if either of these two have posted in a single thread without the other. it seems that they agree about everything everywhere, and it seems that they repeatedly post their thoughts about me. i find the posting habits of these two brand new accounts quite adorable.

as for sexbox's claims, i looked at the account that he and first legend mentioned, and that account had a total of 3 posts made on one day in 2006. from what i remember, i saw these posts in threads that i actually did post in and i did report this suspicious looking account to bungie. since that account was closed after only 3 posts, i would guess that bungie banned that account.

i never stated that the other account that someone made in an attempt to look like my account was a troll. i simply mentioned funky activity that i remembered that may have been the source of that account that first legend fished up. i do not know how that account was created, i do not know who created that account, and i do not know how that account appears as a member of a group that was fairly active back when h2 had a clan playlist. i vaguely remember seeing that account, and i vaguely remember reporting it to bungie. until first legend brought that information to our attention, i doubt that i have thought about that at all since august of 2006 when it took place.

i did not mention you or your buddy first legend until the two of you followed me in here to share wild suspicions that you have about me. if you two wish to suppose that i am using my bnet account as an attempt to avoid a bnet ban, then have fun doing so.

  • 12.29.2007 1:50 PM PDT

Old school Bungie, born and raised,
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Got in one little argument, and the mods got scared,
they said "You're gonna get banned and your member title'll be bare!"

Posted by: sesquipadelian
uhg. sexbox is another account that i have grown tired of responding to. and, in what is a huge shock, sexbox and first legend have come to another thread to post their feelings about me. i am not going to do the research, but i wonder if either of these two have posted in a single thread without the other. it seems that they agree about everything everywhere, and it seems that they repeatedly post their thoughts about me. i find the posting habits of these two brand new accounts quite adorable.


I truly do hope you realise, Sesquipadelian, that not very many people give a damn who you, or almost every single other member, believes is an alternate account. Stop it.

  • 12.29.2007 2:01 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

Posted by: prometheus25
I truly do hope you realise, Sesquipadelian, that not very many people give a damn who you, or almost every single other member, believes is an alternate account. Stop it.


stop it? i asked some questions about how bans and alt accounts are treated by bungie and by the mods. i do not see how such questions are worthy of an uproar. various posters violate forum rules and get banned. and, it seems that right when some accounts get banned brand new ones pop up and display the posting patterns of banned accounts. i find this phenomenon interesting and i have asked some questions about how such behavior is addressed. in the post that you quoted, i mentioned another interesting phenomenon that have noticed, that in their very short lives, these two brand new accounts without gamertags linked appear to be joined at the hip.

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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

Did you make this topic to call them all out Ses?

I'm certain that the other "ses" is an account made by the usual spammers. Just as I'm sure the people accusing him of doing wrong are the same people he's talking about, and that we're all frustrated with. The join date for the other account is right when you all started to hate him for some reason, and of course all this backtracking is more evidence of who you all really are.

Sometimes I'll wait until you've broken a rule to unleash hell, but you cam here to continue to cause problems with ses. That's enough evidence to me, so you're gone. Calling him a hypocrite is one thong, being massive hypocrites is something else. Though, I've been pretty certain most of you were alts, I think your actions here no longer need my rationalizations to warrant a ban. Usually I look for concrete evidence, and I think your actions here did just that.

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I suck at typing

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Did you make this topic to call them all out Ses?

I'm certain that the other "ses" is a topic made by the usual spammers. Just as I'm not sure the people accusing him of doing wrong are the same peopel he's talking about, and that we're all frustrated with. The join date for the other account is right when you all started to hate him for some reason, and of course all this backtracking is more evidence of who you all really are.

Sometimes I'll wait until you've broken a rule to unleash hell, but you cam here to continue to cause problems with ses. That's enough evidence to me, so you're gone.


Yeah definitely making a big deal out of a benign account pretty much puts the alt account question on legend.

Legend is an alt, but hey I'm not the judge.

[Edited on 12.29.2007 2:31 PM PST]

  • 12.29.2007 2:16 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

Posted by: evilcam
1) Did you make this topic to call them all out Ses?

2) I'm certain that the other "ses" is a topic made by the usual spammers. Just as I'm not sure the people accusing him of doing wrong are the same peopel he's talking about, and that we're all frustrated with. The join date for the other account is right when you all started to hate him for some reason, and of course all this backtracking is more evidence of who you all really are.

3) Sometimes I'll wait until you've broken a rule to unleash hell, but you cam here to continue to cause problems with ses. That's enough evidence to me, so you're gone.


i am not sure which of these are addressed to me (i just drove from tampa and i am a bit foggy), but i will take a stab at these.
1) no. if i am going to call someone out, i do so directly. i have questions about posting phenomena that i find interesting, so i asked them in this thread. i have not read over all of my posts in this thread, but as far as i can remember, i have not posted any details about any particular bnet members in this thread until other users brought themselves up.

2) as i mentioned before, i do not know how that account that looked like mine was created or by whom. that took place on 2006, and i do not have much to say about it as i have not thought about it in ages.

3) i hope that i have not broken any rules by asking these questions in this thread, and i have not tried to break any rules in this thread. i rarely look into this thread, and, as far as i am aware, most of the people who post regularly in the optimatch forums do not post in here. i did not try to raise the attention of any particular bnet posters by staring this topic in this forum. i hoped to hear some details from mods or the folks at bungie, and i thought that this forum was the appropriate location for such issues.

  • 12.29.2007 2:27 PM PDT

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