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Subject: Question For Mods About Bans And Alternate Bnet Accounts

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I think, as members, we shouldn't label people as alts, at least not publicly. It's fine to have your own beliefs and such, and you can treat the person however you want. But, when you start accusing them of being an alternate account, without and tangible proof, then it's getting into a whole other ballpark. In the real world, it's slander and libel. On bungie.net, however, there aren't any rules or consequences on making these accusations. I just think we should have some reserve when it comes to this, because announcing it publicly, even if you are right, will not accomplish anything at all.

  • 12.31.2007 9:42 AM PDT

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--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

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There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: Recon Number 54
I'm not unaware of subtleties and similarities either.

But I am (sometimes regretfully so) willing to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. I hesitate to act based solely on circumstance, suspicion and conjecture. And in that gray area, some appear to thrive and feel safe.

The points that I made (as to trust, anonymity, and respect) are true regardless of to whom the reply was made.

I am trying to show what the issue is, without getting into the players. Who is involved is not the point. Neither are their habits, egos, tactics and opinions of one another. The issue that was originally asked in this thread was regarding bans and alternate accounts. That is what I am trying to stay focused on.

If the picnic draws ants.... that is the nature of picnics. And ants.


You are a much better person than I am Recon. Maybe it's because of my previous profession that I have become accustomed to suspecting the worst of people. I also understand that people are creatures of habit and those that display the habits of others are either closely related or the same person.

Eh, that's not important, and I agree with the principle of your post Recon. Those who feel that they are being unjustly not trusted could very easily remedy the situation by making steps towards adding weight to their profile. Link a gamertag. Join some chapters. Change your avatar. If you aren't willing to take some basic steps you shouldn't be surprised when people are suspicious of you.

Just like if the guy in the park would take off his ski-mask and trench coat people would be more willing to trust them, if he is unwilling to do basic steps such as that it makes it seem more questionable than before. Why won't he take off his ski-mask and trench coat, there must be good reason.

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  • 12.31.2007 9:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: x Foman123 x
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I rarely see very inflammatory posts in optimatch, and neither do I see very spammish posts in the forum.
I disagree. All of the following are taken from the first page of the Optimatch Forum:

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None of them seem to be locked (Despite being very large) and a lot seem to be made by XBL Gold accounts.

Isn't there too many problems with the XBL Gold account thing? IF I wanted/needed a new XBL Gold account, I would have to create a new Bungie.Net account, but that wouldn't be a very good solution. Also, I'm sure there are people who forgot the pass word for the WLID for that account/are using a different WLID on BNET due to safety concerns/they just don't want to use the other one.

The true solution would be to put "Polls" for "MM Changes" in the game itself.

[Edited on 12.31.2007 12:21 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2007 11:53 AM PDT
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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: xfire grunt
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Posted by: xfire grunt
I rarely see very inflammatory posts in optimatch, and neither do I see very spammish posts in the forum.
I disagree. All of the following are taken from the first page of the Optimatch Forum:

Example 1
Example 2
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I could go on, but hopefully I don't really need to.


None of them seem to be locked (Despite being very large) and a lot seem to be made by XBL Gold accounts.
Right. But all of them are spam or inflammatory. You said that you "very rarely" see spam or inflammatory postings in Optimatch, so I took 3 minutes and found ten for you. Their source or status is irrelevant.

Isn't there too many problems with the XBL Gold account thing? IF I wanted/needed a new XBL Gold account, I would have to create a new Bungie.Net account, but that wouldn't be a very good solution. Also, I'm sure there are people who forgot the pass word for the WLID for that account/are using a different WLID on BNET due to safety concerns/they just don't want to use the other one. No you don't. See the stickied post at the top of this forum that details how to unlink a gamertag and link a new one to your WLID.

The possibility of forgetting a password is not a valid enough reason to keep Optimatch open to the general public. Bungie employees who read the Optimatch Forum and the rest of us who participate in it should not have to pay for the forgetfulness of a tiny percentage of XBL gamers. Safety/privacy concerns have already been addressed in previous posts in this thread.

The true solution would be to put "Polls" for "MM Changes" in the game itself. How can polls cover all of the intricacies of Matchmaking issues? Have you seen some of the posts in Optimatch? They go on for dozens of paragraphs sometimes, explaining their reasoning and the details of the way things should be. A poll would have to be simple and quick -- "would you like THC in MM?" and so on. You would have to have hundreds of polls to cover all of the various topics of discussion in MatchMaking. This is not feasible.

  • 12.31.2007 1:32 PM PDT

Posted by: x Foman123 x
The true solution would be to put "Polls" for "MM Changes" in the game itself. [/quote]How can polls cover all of the intricacies of Matchmaking issues? Have you seen some of the posts in Optimatch? They go on for dozens of paragraphs sometimes, explaining their reasoning and the details of the way things should be. A poll would have to be simple and quick -- "would you like THC in MM?" and so on. You would have to have hundreds of polls to cover all of the various topics of discussion in MatchMaking. This is not feasible.

And even then polls wouldn't cover the thousands of players that play Halo 3.

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: xfire grunt
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: xfire grunt
I rarely see very inflammatory posts in optimatch, and neither do I see very spammish posts in the forum.
I disagree. All of the following are taken from the first page of the Optimatch Forum:

Example 1
Example 2
Example 3
Example 4
Example 5
Example 6
Example 7
Example 8
Example 9
Example 10

I could go on, but hopefully I don't really need to.


None of them seem to be locked (Despite being very large) and a lot seem to be made by XBL Gold accounts.
Right. But all of them are spam or inflammatory. You said that you "very rarely" see spam or inflammatory postings in Optimatch, so I took 3 minutes and found ten for you. Their source or status is irrelevant.

Isn't there too many problems with the XBL Gold account thing? IF I wanted/needed a new XBL Gold account, I would have to create a new Bungie.Net account, but that wouldn't be a very good solution. Also, I'm sure there are people who forgot the pass word for the WLID for that account/are using a different WLID on BNET due to safety concerns/they just don't want to use the other one. No you don't. See the stickied post at the top of this forum that details how to unlink a gamertag and link a new one to your WLID.

The possibility of forgetting a password is not a valid enough reason to keep Optimatch open to the general public. Bungie employees who read the Optimatch Forum and the rest of us who participate in it should not have to pay for the forgetfulness of a tiny percentage of XBL gamers. Safety/privacy concerns have already been addressed in previous posts in this thread.

The true solution would be to put "Polls" for "MM Changes" in the game itself. How can polls cover all of the intricacies of Matchmaking issues? Have you seen some of the posts in Optimatch? They go on for dozens of paragraphs sometimes, explaining their reasoning and the details of the way things should be. A poll would have to be simple and quick -- "would you like THC in MM?" and so on. You would have to have hundreds of polls to cover all of the various topics of discussion in MatchMaking. This is not feasible.


My definition of "Spam/Inflammtory" is a thread that gets locked. If that thread is bad, why wasn't it locked? IF it was bad, I'm sure (especially with the first one), that there was ample time for a moderator to ban the account member.

I personally don't see the reason why EVERYBODY on Opti-Match should have an XBL Gold account attached to their name. Is it really going to stop that much? I'm sure determined spammers can easily ask a bud to link their XBL Gold account to their WLID and spam with that account, or just use a 48 hour trial to spam. For some reason, it seems odd to me. But W/E. I have and probably always will have an XBL Gold account attached to my account. But I personally saw nothing wrong with the posts of many "Unlinked Accounts".a lot of posts from them seemed to be large, well thought out responses (in Opti-Match ONLY , thats what I'm referring too. . Maybe thats because I agreed with a lot of them. It seems we may lose members such as these if everybody had to have an XBL Gold account.

Polls, would be like, you press X for no, B for yes, or something like that, just a standard "Yes or No" poll. This is for something that comes from the concerns of Opti-Match such as "Should BR starts be lowered" or "Should BR starts be increased". This is much better then posts that only show the opinions of a few.

Never mind.


However I still think there needs to be more in game feedback (such as vetoes) because not everybody who plays the game is on the website.

[Edited on 12.31.2007 3:25 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2007 2:11 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

anyone who does not think that inappropriate posts are much of an issue should take a look at the thread that i started in optimatch. it is about people with 50s playing in ranked playlists. there are two separate brand new accounts with no gamertags linked who have posted song lyrics and quoted themselves repeatedly and who have posted dirty words and quoted themselves repeatedly.

my hopes now are as they were before i started this thread: i hope that bungie and the mods will effectively keep banned bnet users from making additional inappropriate posts in the forums on alt accounts. if they learn that an account is an alt made in an attempt to avoid a ban, then i hope that user is kept out of the forums.

also, i hope that the search for mods feature will start to work again. right now you cannot find out which mods are online.

  • 12.31.2007 3:32 PM PDT

MY LOVE FOR YOU IS LIKE A TRUCK...
Posted by: Langley
--on another note, I think MLG Chewhatever is an idiot.

Posted by: Achronos
There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: Snowman trapRdie

Even if I am an alternate account, you would apparently(i'm not sure) have to prove who's alt I am, as there is no rule against alternate accounts, only ban evasion. As for the bit about the TFM incident, I seem to have been justified in my actions as the post was later revealed to be a prank by pezza, and surprise surprise, he took no action against the members of his group which had broken the rules by posting a spam thread. If I had made a similar thread on this account, I'm sure I would be banned already, but unfortunately being friends with moderators has its perks.


You're right it's not against the rules to have separate accounts. You have a separate account because you are by-passing a ban. That is against the rules. And you're right, members that have been around the forums for a long time and have trust and respect built up with the moderators do get better treatment than random people. Or ones that just had their accounts started. Ah, the ends justifies the means for you I suppose. You flamed before anyone knew the wiser, you were just lucky that it turned out the way it did. Which is why I imagine you started this ALT account in the first place.

To recon, you spoke of a basic courtesy, and another poster spoke about how members should never PUBLICLY call other members alts. Would this type of name calling be covered under the play nice rule, the blanket anti-elitism effort, trolling, off topic, and so on? And if so, shouldn't the people who claim to be good members calling others alts be banned, warned, something for doing this, especially without indisputable proof?

Recon knows he can warn me. He doesn't need you to point it out. "Name-calling"? Shouldn't you be using the term "mudslinging" since you prefer that term so much? But guess what, chances are I won't be warned because I'm right about you, and I have enough leeway built up with the mods that I can do that. This thread is about ALT accounts, I would imagine talking about how you're on an ALT account right now would be rather on-topic. Thanks.

Lastly, BB, I just thought you should know that I could technically have YOU permabanned for alternate accounts, as you admitted to making the porchmonkie4lyfe account for your girlfriend, which was permabanned. Being that YOU made the racist name, which the account was banned for, I could probably make a strong argument for YOU being banned for alternate accounts. Pretty strange eh? I'm not saying this to be an ass, I'm saying this to show how rules can be manipulated, and how people should stop trying to be forum cops and instead worry about discussing topics.

Go for it. Last person who tried to have me permabanned got permabanned themselves. And I certainly wouldn't expect you to know anything about that situation because it happened before your join date and you don't know any of the other discussions that occurred between myself, the moderators, and Achronos. The thing is, I didn't make an alternate account for myself. That account was for my girlfriend so she could discuss some things here on B.net. I didn't consider her login to be harmful or racist until the issue was raised in that thread. If I could have changed her login at that time I would have.

So, your wrong. The account was not an alternate account. It was a subsequent account for my girlfriend to use and check her stats on. But, you might want to try to at least understand a situation before trying to comment on it. Again, this thread is about ALT accounts and since I'm discussing how you're on an ALT account that means I am discussing the topic. So lets stop being a hypocrite and talking about "forum cops" when you're trying to insinuate that I'm off-topic.

Happy New Year, I'll be surprised if your account makes it to it.

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  • 12.31.2007 4:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Snowman trapRdie

Lastly, BB, I just thought you should know that I could technically have YOU permabanned for alternate accounts, as you admitted to making the porchmonkie4lyfe account for your girlfriend, which was permabanned. Being that YOU made the racist name, which the account was banned for, I could probably make a strong argument for YOU being banned for alternate accounts. Pretty strange eh? I'm not saying this to be an ass, I'm saying this to show how rules can be manipulated, and how people should stop trying to be forum cops and instead worry about discussing topics.


Go for it. Last person who tried to have me permabanned got permabanned themselves. And I certainly wouldn't expect you to know anything about that situation because it happened before your join date and you don't know any of the other discussions that occurred between myself, the moderators, and Achronos. The thing is, I didn't make an alternate account for myself. That account was for my girlfriend so she could discuss some things here on B.net. I didn't consider her login to be harmful or racist until the issue was raised in that thread. If I could have changed her login at that time I would have.

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It never ceases to amaze me how many people haven't seen Clerks 2...

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  • 12.31.2007 4:41 PM PDT

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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

You're SbK Logical, you transparent moron.

This entire discussion is idiotic. The moderators and I don't have to go looking for alts, because idiots like you always fall back into your old habits everytime someone annoys you. I don't really care who you are - if you follow the rules, nobody is going to look into who's an alt of who. There are several people around the forums who think they're being sneaky by bypassing a permanent ban with an alt account. But since they follow the rules, I'm not going to waste my time banning them. Just like you, Logical. When you're not trying to get whoever your latest target is banned, sometimes you can hold a meaningful conversation. You were even about to make something approaching a real contribution to this particular thread. But then you start with this same old crap.

News flash: you are not better than everyone else, you're not the "instigator of change" in the forums, you're just some foolish kid who thinks that he's smarter than everyone else because he can talk a good game. For your trouble, you're permanently banned, again. And any hope you had of making a valid point will again vanish into the ether, drowned out because you can't stop acting like a child because someone decided to disagree with you.

Posted by: Snowman trapRdie
Do you have any proof of this, or is all of the above a portion of the same attack tactic youve tried to use before. And if you dont mind my asking, who am I? And why are you trying to bait me into flaming you?

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Posted by: sesquipadelian
anyone who does not think that inappropriate posts are much of an issue should take a look at the thread that i started in optimatch. it is about people with 50s playing in ranked playlists. there are two separate brand new accounts with no gamertags linked who have posted song lyrics and quoted themselves repeatedly and who have posted dirty words and quoted themselves repeatedly.

my hopes now are as they were before i started this thread: i hope that bungie and the mods will effectively keep banned bnet users from making additional inappropriate posts in the forums on alt accounts. if they learn that an account is an alt made in an attempt to avoid a ban, then i hope that user is kept out of the forums.

also, i hope that the search for mods feature will start to work again. right now you cannot find out which mods are online.


Pressing "Report as Spam ought to do the trick".

All right, I guess Opti-Match the Gold account thing may be viable. However, as this is an internet forum you can't expect perfection (If you wish to have perfection on an internet forum you would have to remove the "Reply" and "Post New Thread" Buttons from the forums.But maybe Opti-Match has a special purpose? However there are countless Halo fans who don't play Multi-player etc, and people who don't even play Halo (anybody for Myth?) that come to this site so there is no viable way to get rid of "alternate" accounts in an internet forum other then paid subscription. Which isn't a viable alternative.

If Opti-Match requires a gold account I would point out that putting advertisements there would be ridiculous, as I am sure some genius Microsoft marketer would state "Help dictate online gameplay" under XBL Gold features and having advertisements in a "paid" feature area is ridiculous.

Also keep in mind that this is a place for Halo 3 fans. Halo 3 fans aren't intelectuals expecting them all to be intellectuals is ridiculous, and so is thinking that whoever disagrees with you is an alternate account if they don't have their gamertag on their account. Personally if the alt account appears to have learned its ways, whats the big deal? Violators should be banished, not valuable contributers. Certain people (AIGHT I admit it, 1) seemed to be doing a lot to express the opinions of BR start wanters/MLG Fanboys and he got booted because he didn't have a gamer tag. I personally am against this, but my judgement is worthless. Really I think hunting for alternate accounts is a worthless, endevour if their not even trashing this site. Opti-match may or may not be different only because "Bungie Employees are actively involved". Maybe instead of the gold account thing, harsher rule enforcement?

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You're SbK Logical, you transparent moron.

This entire discussion is idiotic. The moderators and I don't have to go looking for alts, because idiots like you always fall back into your old habits everytime someone annoys you. I don't really care who you are - if you follow the rules, nobody is going to look into who's an alt of who. There are several people around the forums who think they're being sneaky by bypassing a permanent ban with an alt account. But since they follow the rules, I'm not going to waste my time banning them. Just like you, Logical. When you're not trying to get whoever your latest target is banned, sometimes you can hold a meaningful conversation. You were even about to make something approaching a real contribution to this particular thread. But then you start with this same old crap.

News flash: you are not better than everyone else, you're not the "instigator of change" in the forums, you're just some foolish kid who thinks that he's smarter than everyone else because he can talk a good game. For your trouble, you're permanently banned, again. And any hope you had of making a valid point will again vanish into the ether, drowned out because you can't stop acting like a child because someone decided to disagree with you.

Posted by: Snowman trapRdie
Do you have any proof of this, or is all of the above a portion of the same attack tactic youve tried to use before. And if you dont mind my asking, who am I? And why are you trying to bait me into flaming you?
I love to watch people nuke it out on each other. They should have a thing called it the .50 caliber ban sniper rifle. because you might not always be able to hit exactly one person in a tight situation with the hammer. So this way you would have a ninja or bungie.net employee hiding in the grass with the grass cammo (you know the outfits they have, were you are totally dressed in grass to hide in your surroundings.)

Then targeting the person causing chaos with your custom made ninja scope forged by the UNSC custom shop. It would be like. BAAAAANNNN! Head shot!!!.

Sorry. I have been playing to much COD4 lately. I recommend that game to everyone. But See the banning sniper rifle would work better than the hammer.

Because what if you had a pyro with a "flame" thrower? How are you going to hit him clean with out him noticing?

.50 Caliber ban rifle baby!

[Edited on 12.31.2007 7:03 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2007 6:59 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

Posted by: Achronos
You're SbK Logical, you transparent moron.
News flash: you are not better than everyone else, you're not the "instigator of change" in the forums, you're just some foolish kid who thinks that he's smarter than everyone else because he can talk a good game. For your trouble, you're permanently banned, again.


i have a quick question: do we have any reason to believe that SbK Logical is the same person as Logical Thinking? when i read achronos's account of SbK Logical it reminded me of a guy with an account named Logical Thinking. It seems that they had similar posting styles. when i looked up Logical Thinking just now, he gives many a.k.a's, and one of them is SbK Leader. in all likelihood this is a coincidence and these accounts are not related, but if all of these accounts are had by the same guy attempting to avoid who-knows-how many bans, it would make me laugh for days. and, if i remember correctly, logical thinking was the one who started up a group to discuss their feelings about me. man, oh man, that would be a riot.

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