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Subject: Dear Bungie moderators
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Why are you locking map submission threads like it's going out of style all of the sudden? I have two maps out there that have had a lot of interest from people and I have not bumped the thread. I have responded to questions or comments that were said. Someone have a bad Christmas or something?

  • 12.26.2007 10:00 AM PDT
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Read the second post. All of it.

There is your answer. You 'decorated' your post of your maps, thus, is a lock. Read the stickies, they contain very useful information.

  • 12.26.2007 10:04 AM PDT
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People have had those in titles for months and now all of the sudden there are locked threads all over the forum. I have looked through a bunch and many don't have "decorations" on them. I have never seen a forum with such "interesting" rules. Before anyone thinks I am just trying to be rebelious; I am a 35 year old man and not some 12 year kid. I find it very annoying to be monitored to such an extent. I understand the need for rules to keep a forum in check, but come on already. I thought we lived in a free society. I just started getting into these forums recently; but I have been playing Halo since Halo 1 day 1. The rules are less stringent on web sites that are monitored by the Chinese government.

I guess I will probably banned now but it needed to be said.

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  • 12.26.2007 10:09 AM PDT
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Basically it was a rule made this morning. I suppose you could ask for a mod to unlock it if you promise to lose the "decorations".

I'm no fan of the rule either but people complained and the mods decided to take action.

[Edited on 12.26.2007 10:16 AM PST]

  • 12.26.2007 10:11 AM PDT
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Captain, that explains it a bit more then. I figured it had to be something new that they decided to crack down on. People do it because it works and draws attention to your post. I had read Ash's rule post before and did not read enough into the "decorations" part I guess. I had also seen so many people doing it I figured they didn't mind.

Annoying? To some people yes ... others no. In the world of advertising there are many annoying things done to grab our attention in a split time frame. Trying to show others your map creations takes "advertising". Most good maps get lost otherwise. Such is the world we live in. The funny thing is advertising does work, and adding "decorations" to a post does work because it draws the eye to it (annoying or not). Thousands of people have posted very good maps before and no one notices them. I decided to try putting the "decorations" in like I saw so many others doing. All of the sudden my map has over 800 downloads.

So, banning or locking threads for people wanting to get their content seen? How about just edit the titles and remove the "decorations" or at least message the offender to give him/her a fair warning to change it to comply with the "rules" I apologize for coming across as so strong, but this has been bugging me for a while now.

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  • 12.26.2007 10:17 AM PDT
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Actually, I agree with you Recon. The people with plain text are every bit as deserving of attention. However, the reality is that posts that grab peoples attention get just that, more attention. No, I don't think I got 800 downloads just because of the decorations. My guess is that it's a unique map that people found interesting after looking at the pictures and they decided to download it. I do believe that not nearly as many people would have never even read the thread and looked at the pictures without the decorations though (because so many others had them). I know this because of all the other great maps I've seen out there that get lost in the shuffle.

I wondered why no one downloaded or commented on my early maps so I started looking at ones with a good amount of downloads. I quickly noticed that the ones with "decorations" were getting much more attention. I am in medical sales/marketing with a background in Psychology; so it wasn't rocket science to figure out why these posts got more attention than many others. What's funny to me is that Bungie moderators all have bright colored text so they do stand out.

To answer your question: I simply will not choose to stand out anymore. People who play custom games with us know the types of maps my sons and I build and they are a blast. We just won't post our content on this forum anymore because we don't agree with this type of censorship.

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  • 12.26.2007 10:49 AM PDT
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The good point? We all get to choose where we want to live.

Good point, yes we do get to choose. Just as we get to choose which things we spend our money on.

And the police wear uniforms and drive incredibly hard to miss cars.... I don't see the point.

Actually, that is exactly the point. It is what's wrong with most forums today. Moderators view themselves as "the police of the forum". The majority of police men have the same power trip issue and many let it go to their heads outside of the job itself even. The difference is police men do need to put themselves in harms way at times and they are taught to act dominating to gain control over people and situations when necessary.

I realize that moderators have a tough time keeping up with so many posts. I moderated a car enthusiast forum once a few years ago, and it is not a "job" I would ever want to do again. It's very hard to please everyone all of the time and I get that. Still, our forum was not in the business of promoting a particular product, much less a franchise such as Halo. This forum is for that purpose and I think that people at Bungie forget that at times.

Would a simple message or even a reply in the thread saying that the title was changed to comply with forum rules been that hard to do? If it was done again then by all means lock the thread and/or ban the person. This is my point.

Also, there is a simple solution to the map submission section. If Bungie organized the forums a little better the problem would be much smaller. People feel they need to "bump" or "advertise" their maps to get noticed. The problem on that thread list is obvious. There are millions of people who play Halo and thousands who come to this site to get player custom maps. If you post one it is often moved to the 6th page within minutes and no one sees it.

Why not separate the different maps into separate thread listings? Or even do types of maps, or something to lessen the posts on the one page. This way people can look for the ones they want and things won't move so fast. People won't feel the need to bump all the time.

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  • 12.26.2007 11:34 AM PDT
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So you are saying that this domain has nothing to do with Bungie the company? Why then does the site have project lists, and lists of Bungie employees and even a jobs section? It would seem to most people that this forum exists to promote the Bungie name and product. I know Bungie went back private a while ago; but does Microsoft have anything to do or promote in relation to sales of Xbox because of the Halo franchise? I ask because they are still listed as the owner of this domain. Confusing indeed.

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  • 12.26.2007 12:22 PM PDT
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yep sorry OP but anyone wanting to grab attemtion should be shot.

People will learn to post like normal humans in there 1 day.

Only if I had mod powers for 5 minutes in there.....................

  • 12.26.2007 12:55 PM PDT
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Well, I don't want to argue further; but I do appreciate your replys and feedback Recon. I'll agree to disagree with the way the forum is run and that it is not here for the sole business of promoting Bungie.

Besides, I just looked through just the first 3 pages of map submissions and there are more than 20 posts that violate the anti-decorating thread titles rule. Many of these have been around a very long time and there are a lot that have the poster directly bumping their thread over and over again. Odd enough they are all open threads still. I would think such obvious bumping would certainly be a bigger issue than putting a decoration in your title. So, I'll let this die as I'm sure you have better things to do than chime back and forth with me.

Happy Holidays.

[Edited on 12.26.2007 7:47 PM PST]

  • 12.26.2007 1:54 PM PDT