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On a pure gameplay basis, neither Halo 3 or Call of Duty 4 deserve GotY.

Halo 3's core gameplay is horrid and inconsistent. There's a mass of players who think that Halo gets worse every time Bungie releases a new one, and they have some real basis for their claims. Unless this upcoming patch is the mother of all patches (that addresses many of the concerns for the competitive community that will actually stop you guys from screaming at BS all the time) and the new maps are actually worth playing on, Halo 3 honestly doesn't deserve GotY. Foundry is a step in the right direction, though.

Call of Duty's core gameplay has negative roots in the same places Halo 3's does; inconsistencies and bad map design. CoD's levels are notorious for being filled with pointless clutter and having no practical map layout in mind. When Infinity Ward makes an MP map, they like to take a chunk of a single player level, throw some spawns on it, and call it a map. Talk about lazy. The quality of the gameplay reflects how much effort has gone into their maps; everything's random. You can't take the game seriously.

What game deserves GotY based on core gameplay? Shadowrun. Like it or not, Shadowrun was designed with the mentality; gameplay first, then make it look pretty. Popularity-wise, Shadowrun failed because of it, but when you actually get down to playing these games, Shadowrun's gameplay is BY FAR the most consistent, fluent, balanced, and has the most variety compared to anything else released this year.

Now, if we're thinking practical here, Shadowrun can't be GotY because it's not something the mass audience likes (who expects new players to want to be destroyed every round by someone moving through walls?). FASA also didn't market the game well enough, so no organization can give Shadowrun GotY and be taken seriously about it.

If we're going to pick a realistic GotY, it's either Halo 3 or CoD 4 because both of those games are massively popular and are very well-done. It's really hard for me to pick one or the other out because I think that neither game delivered. CoD 4 is filled with gimmicks and the multiplayer mode takes a back seat to single player. Halo 3's core gameplay is broken, and all of it's wonderful features fizzle out of reality because of it. As a Halo fan, I feel like I should give Halo 3 the reward out of loyalty, but at the same time another side of me wants to give it to CoD 4 because I feel like Bungie betrayed me with what they've done to Halo 3.

Looking toward the future, I feel that Halo 3 will top CoD 4. Halo 3 has potential through the upcoming patch and DLC maps. Maybe Bungie can make things right again. After all, Halo 3's flaws come mostly from bad dev decisions. That can be easily fixed if Bungie is willing to admit it was wrong. Call of Duty multiplayer is just a 1-shot kill random-fest, that's all it ever has been. I don't see CoD 4 going anywhere besides where it is now. So in light of the future, Halo 3 deserves Xbox 360 GotY.

[Edited on 12.28.2007 9:58 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2007 9:48 AM PDT
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Yeah, I'm sorry but I have to agree. I have Halo 3 and Call of Duty 4, and COD4 is way better than Halo both single player and multiplayer. The graphics are way better in COD4, plus the multiplayer is way better and so are the maps. Plus it is a lot easier to gain rank in COD4 since it goes off of kills, not wins. I hardly play Halo 3 anymore.

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Alright, lets go over all the awards that each game got:

COD4:
-Best FPS
-Best Graphics Technology Runner up
-Best Original Score Runner up
-Best End Credit Song Runner up
-Best Use of Sound Runner up
-Best Story Runner up
-Best Online Multiplayer Runner up
-Game of the Year
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Infinity Ward:

Halo 3:
-Best FPS Runner up
-Best Graphics Technology Runner up
-Best Original Score Runner up
-Best Use of Sound Runner up
-Best Local Multiplayer Game Runner up
-Best Online Multiplayer
-Most Innovative Design
-Game of the Year Runner up
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Bungie:
-Biggest Suprise--Bungie Parts Ways with Mircosoft
-Best Developer Runner up

Yeah COD4 got the Game of the Year award, but Halo 3 got the multiplayer category. Which is going to last longer, the best multiplayer or the runner up best multiplayer?

[Edited on 12.28.2007 9:52 AM PST]

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Is anybody interested in my Halo 3? I will sell it for free!
roaddog unlike your mom
i dont think you can sell something for free. ;)


[Edited on 12.28.2007 9:55 AM PST]

  • 12.28.2007 9:53 AM PDT

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901,000 Halo 3 players in the last 24 hours.
94,000 Halo 3 players currently online.
2.5 million games of halo 3 played in the last 24 hours.

Where did you get "45,000".

Bend the truth to make your argument look better.

Halo has and always will stand the test of time.

Personally CoD4 is extremely easy and boring. Extremely boring.
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Posted by: roaddog
He check out IGN's game of the year & First-Person Shooter of the year.

http://bestof.ign.com/2007/xbox360/24.html

Just goes to show you that the lack of depth in this years Halo 3 is startin to show its true colors. It basically Halo 2 but with better graphics. It's funny to see the amount of players online to begin with over 3 million people plumet to 45,000. I know I myself have referred Call of Duty 4 to at least 10 people that would have bought Halo 3. Sorry bungie but Halo is dead.

Is anybody interested in my Halo 3? I will sell it for free!

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It was a runner-up. That means something. :)

Besides, you're talking to the wrong forum. The majority here love Halo 3.

Not to mention it got "Best Innovative Design". Oh, and "Best Online Multiplayer Game". (Two things which really bring players back for more. A game with bad multiplayer runs out of things to do after awhile. Halo 3 does not. Not yet, anyway.) Anyway, move over to the Halo 3 Forum. You're just trying to stir up trouble with very rude opinion.

And "Most Addictive Game"
... fueled by Dew.

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To the OP: Do you expect Bungie or any of us here on this forum to cry you a river based on what is YOUR opinion? Meh, this has been brought up before, so I won't say much more.

Happy New Year, everyone! Enjoy playing whatever the hell you like to play!

  • 12.28.2007 9:59 AM PDT

Posted by: Darknessmoon69
To the OP: Do you expect Bungie or any of us here on this forum to cry you a river based on what is YOUR opinion? Meh, this has been brought up before, so I won't say much more.

Happy New Year, everyone! Enjoy playing whatever the hell you like to play!
I won't cry him a river, but I will agree with some of what he has to say.

  • 12.28.2007 10:00 AM PDT
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Can you believe it?

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Posted by: Blade967
Posted by: SS_Zag1
It was a runner-up. That means something. :)

Besides, you're talking to the wrong forum. The majority here love Halo 3.

Not to mention it got "Best Innovative Design". Oh, and "Best Online Multiplayer Game". (Two things which really bring players back for more. A game with bad multiplayer runs out of things to do after awhile. Halo 3 does not. Not yet, anyway.) Anyway, move over to the Halo 3 Forum. You're just trying to stir up trouble with very rude opinion.

And "Most Addictive Game"
... fueled by Dew.

Lol

  • 12.28.2007 10:02 AM PDT

Posted by: Bluesman
Also, a few of us were talking during matchmaking and Halo: Reach is definitely going to be, not a first person shooter, not a third person shooter, but a second person shooter. Bungie is going to revolutionize the way you watch other people play games.

Posted by: Strike Force
Alright, lets go over all the awards that each game got:

COD4:
-Best FPS
-Best Graphics Technology Runner up
-Best Original Score Runner up
-Best End Credit Song Runner up
-Best Use of Sound Runner up
-Best Story Runner up
-Best Online Multiplayer Runner up
-Game of the Year
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Halo 3:
-Best FPS Runner up
-Best Graphics Technology Runner up
-Best Original Score Runner up
-Best Use of Sound Runner up
-Best Local Multiplayer Game Runner up
-Best Online Multiplayer
-Most Innovative Design
-Game of the Year Runner up


Nice list! We see here that Halo 3 did not win GOTY, however, it is rightfully lauded as incorporating the most innovative design elements into the game. COD4 offers little to no innovation - yeah, they were 10/10 with the stuff they did, but the stuff they did was *yawn*.

Halo 3 gave us Forge, an object editor that is unprecedented in a console FPS. Does it have its problems? Hell yeah. But Bungie put it in to show the future of online gaming - making and swapping maps with other players.

Same with saved films. I don't know of a console FPS with a similar feature. It's far from perfect too, but the fact that Bungie put it in their game shows that they are truly advancing the technology of video games.

Plus, like Strike Force said, I'd rather play the Multiplayer Game of the Year than the overall game of the year. IGN, the most reliable gaming website, has said it - COD4 plays second fiddle to Halo 3's multiplayer. End of story.

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I like buns, what else is there to say?

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Besides, you're talking to the wrong forum. The majority here love Halo 3.

.

Im a minority.

Anyway who cars about what IGN says is a good game? GOTY means nothing.

Halo3 cant be halo2 with better graphics because halo2 was fun and still is while halo3 is not.


I wish you would just gtfo, nobody likes you and no one thinks your funny.

  • 12.28.2007 10:07 AM PDT

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900,000 Halo3 players in the last 24 hours with 35,000 playing Halo 2

what's call of duty 4 pullin in these days? 200,000? does anyone even play COD3?

yeah halo is real dead, COD4 is def where its at



.....I believe you just proved a point supporting the original poster.

There are people still playing the second game in the series of this. COD 4 is good enough that players dont go back and play the older versions. Yet halo 3 isnt good enough so people still play halo 2 and even go back to halo 2 because halo 3 is so un-fun.

Halo 3 is fun sometimes, but it lacks the depth of halo 2. I believe that the Assault Rifle killed halo 3. The melees are being complained about so very much because Halo 3 is all about AR+Melee. Thats what halo 3 has degraded to. AR+Melee. In halo 2 you had SMG starts thus you go find a better weapon, so people on the map always used different weapons. One would be dual wielding, one may have a carbine, one may have a BR, another may be dual wielding. Now everyone just goes around with an AR and a BR if they can find one. Where is the depth?

Halo 3 will not last as long as Halo 2.

i am sorry but you are wrong i would say people still play halo2 for bxr and not likeing how halo3 turned out no brb starts! omg!
halo3 will last longer then halo2 imo

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If CoD is so good, why are you here?

  • 12.28.2007 10:09 AM PDT

Posted by: roaddog
He check out IGN's game of the year & First-Person Shooter of the year.

http://bestof.ign.com/2007/xbox360/24.html

Just goes to show you that the lack of depth in this years Halo 3 is startin to show its true colors. It basically Halo 2 but with better graphics. It's funny to see the amount of players online to begin with over 3 million people plumet to 45,000. I know I myself have referred Call of Duty 4 to at least 10 people that would have bought Halo 3. Sorry bungie but Halo is dead.

Is anybody interested in my Halo 3? I will sell it for free!



call of duty is the greatest and least stressful game out there now

  • 12.28.2007 10:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: Thunderbolt101
Posted by: SS_Zag1

Besides, you're talking to the wrong forum. The majority here love Halo 3.

.

Im a minority.

Anyway who cars about what IGN says is a good game? GOTY means nothing.

Halo3 cant be halo2 with better graphics because halo2 was fun and still is while halo3 is not.


I wish you would just gtfo, nobody likes you and no one thinks your funny.

He has all right to his opinion. I said "The majority here". This is Bungie's website. You'd assume most people here really enjoy Halo 3. He even said he was a minority. That's fine. :P

He doesn't have to like Halo 3.

[Edited on 12.28.2007 10:10 AM PST]

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Notice "Best Online Multiplayer Game'>
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COD 4s single player was about 10* as good as Halo 3s, well twice as good. It was a lot more intense, and felt better. But I personally don't like the multiplayer, it doesn't even use a skill based ranking system and my first game as a level 1 was played wtih level 4 prestige people.

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Posted by: TBaggedYou14
thought so -blam!-, Halo 3 is the best game ever created

Now, that's just plain old fanboisem.

  • 12.28.2007 10:12 AM PDT

Posted by: ilovetotinos
Nice list! We see here that Halo 3 did not win GOTY, however, it is rightfully lauded as incorporating the most innovative design elements into the game. COD4 offers little to no innovation - yeah, they were 10/10 with the stuff they did, but the stuff they did was *yawn*.

Halo 3 gave us Forge, an object editor that is unprecedented in a console FPS. Does it have its problems? Hell yeah. But Bungie put it in to show the future of online gaming - making and swapping maps with other players.

Same with saved films. I don't know of a console FPS with a similar feature. It's far from perfect too, but the fact that Bungie put it in their game shows that they are truly advancing the technology of video games.

Plus, like Strike Force said, I'd rather play the Multiplayer Game of the Year than the overall game of the year. IGN, the most reliable gaming website, has said it - COD4 plays second fiddle to Halo 3's multiplayer. End of story.
I honestly can't consider it innovative when you take standard features for PC games and put them on a console game. The only reason we haven't seen these features on console games before is because console gamers don't demand it (hopefully, Halo 3 changes that). If anything, these features were implemented because Bungie ran out of ideas and started looking into already well-established standard PC game features. And despite that, Bungie still delivered these features half-ass and flawed. That doesn't make me think Bungie was either innovative or deserving of GotY with that kind of product.

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hey roaddog.

just for a mere day i'd like to not see some idiot like yourself ruin the point of this forum with Game vs. Game bull-blam!-.

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I heard someone say once (paraphrasing here) "Multiflag on Blood Gulch with your friends is what makes Halo, Halo." I GUARANTEE that more people agree with that sentiment than "Getting a 50 in MLG is what makes Halo, Halo." - Oboewan42
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Posted by: roaddog
He check out IGN's game of the year & First-Person Shooter of the year.

http://bestof.ign.com/2007/xbox360/24.html

Just goes to show you that the lack of depth in this years Halo 3 is startin to show its true colors. It basically Halo 2 but with better graphics. It's funny to see the amount of players online to begin with over 3 million people plumet to 45,000. I know I myself have referred Call of Duty 4 to at least 10 people that would have bought Halo 3. Sorry bungie but Halo is dead.

Is anybody interested in my Halo 3? I will sell it for free!


If you think about it (And I mean THINK about it) sequels in video gaming are basically better graphics and more stuff with a continued story line.

Apparently no one ever thought of that.

  • 12.28.2007 10:15 AM PDT

Posted by: Zato X1
hey roaddog.

just for a mere day i'd like to not see some idiot like yourself ruin the point of this forum with Game vs. Game bull-blam!-.

What's a forum without arguments? =)

  • 12.28.2007 10:16 AM PDT
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what's a little spinal fluid between you and a friend?

Noes! Go Away! I love mah Halo 3 and mah Call of Duty 4 equally!

  • 12.28.2007 10:18 AM PDT

3 million online? There are probably still over 3 million players but you need to realize that people have lives. 45,000? Where are you getting your facts from? There are normally over 100,000 players online even during the slowest times of the day (early morning; late evening). You say Halo 3 was Halo 2 with better graphics, then what was Halo 2 compared to Halo 1? The only difference between the two was *gasp* better graphics (and online play but I'm not including that because you can play Halo 1 PC online). Once the new patch comes (like Halo 2) it will probably help more players return.

If you're going to bash a game, get your facts straight, please. At least complain about the melee or something...

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I heard someone say once (paraphrasing here) "Multiflag on Blood Gulch with your friends is what makes Halo, Halo." I GUARANTEE that more people agree with that sentiment than "Getting a 50 in MLG is what makes Halo, Halo." - Oboewan42
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Posted by: Zato X1
hey roaddog.

just for a mere day i'd like to not see some idiot like yourself ruin the point of this forum with Game vs. Game bull-blam!-.

What's a forum without arguments? =)


True, but is it necessary to make repeated threads about the same Game vs. Game topic? (I don't mean new games every thread either)

  • 12.28.2007 10:18 AM PDT

Posted by: Bluesman
Also, a few of us were talking during matchmaking and Halo: Reach is definitely going to be, not a first person shooter, not a third person shooter, but a second person shooter. Bungie is going to revolutionize the way you watch other people play games.

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Posted by: ilovetotinos
Nice list! We see here that Halo 3 did not win GOTY, however, it is rightfully lauded as incorporating the most innovative design elements into the game. COD4 offers little to no innovation - yeah, they were 10/10 with the stuff they did, but the stuff they did was *yawn*.

Halo 3 gave us Forge, an object editor that is unprecedented in a console FPS. Does it have its problems? Hell yeah. But Bungie put it in to show the future of online gaming - making and swapping maps with other players.

Same with saved films. I don't know of a console FPS with a similar feature. It's far from perfect too, but the fact that Bungie put it in their game shows that they are truly advancing the technology of video games.

Plus, like Strike Force said, I'd rather play the Multiplayer Game of the Year than the overall game of the year. IGN, the most reliable gaming website, has said it - COD4 plays second fiddle to Halo 3's multiplayer. End of story.
I honestly can't consider it innovative when you take standard features for PC games and put them on a console game. The only reason we haven't seen these features on console games before is because console gamers don't demand it (hopefully, Halo 3 changes that). If anything, these features were implemented because Bungie ran out of ideas and started looking into already well-established standard PC game features. And despite that, Bungie still delivered these featured half-ass and flawed. That doesn't make me think Bungie was either innovative or deserving of GotY with that kind of product.


Fact remains, it's never been done on a console. Future FPS games are going to include stuff like this as basics, and I think we have Halo 3 to thank for that. And I don't think the features aren't half-assed. Forge could use some additions, and the video-capping needs fast-forwarding, but they are both very solid in their own right.

COD4 offers no innovation whatsoever. That's even ok - they do the basics, but they do them right. Still, its certainly not going to go down in history as a pivotal gaming milestone.

In an era where the Wii is showing us a different take on consoles, Half-Life 2 is showing us the future of physics manipulation in games, multiplayer games are showing us the prevalence of networking and social play, and Guitar Hero is showing us the applications of perhiprials, I think that innovation is key. I also think that the GOTY award should go to a game that retains the solid-ness of the old gaming standards - gameplay, replayability, graphics - while adding an element of unprecedented innovation.

Just my take:)

  • 12.28.2007 10:20 AM PDT