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Subject: H2V is apparently no longer officially supported

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

http://www.h2vista.net/forums/main.php

scroll down the page to this:

http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showpost.php?p=176169&postc ount=32

Can't say I'm surprised at all. Thanks for nothing Hired Gun, Bungie, and Microsoft. 50 bucks down the drain with slim chance that the game is going to get continued support at all. Elvis has left the building.

[Edited on 12.30.2007 2:46 PM PST]

  • 12.30.2007 2:45 PM PDT
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I have no idea what you're talking about. Is h2vista.net even really affiliated with any of this? What do you mean by it's no longer supported?

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  • 12.30.2007 3:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Can you not see who made that post? He is one of the developers of H2V, part of Hired Gun. He says the team has moved on to another project.

Posted by "bum has knife" : "H2V developer"

Oh, I wish we were on holiday. It's been a very odd month or so for our team. A lot of changes have been made recently in our org. (the bungie thing, new execs, etc.). The end result is basically that we are now on a new project. I wish I had some great news to pass along to you guys about continuing support, but its looking pretty dim at the moment. Please feel free to contact me about issues and i'll forward them to the old boss of the boss of my boss...or something. Maybe someday I'll be able to tell you all about the crazy stuff that has happened.

I'll let you know when the update is up. Thanks for your help Vicky.




[Edited on 12.30.2007 3:21 PM PST]

  • 12.30.2007 3:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

I'm shocked that this all went down 3 months ago and nobody here noticed.

If you still think this is BS or for any other apologists, read this thread dated AFTER the above post.

http://www.h2vista.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7030

Pay specific attention to post #s 3 and 8.

People should know this before they buy this game. Have all the facts, then decide.

  • 12.30.2007 3:42 PM PDT
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*facepalm* *to myself*

I did read the "H2V Developer" thing, but I disregarded it for some reason. But yeah, this is total garbage. This is what happens up when you leave it up to a small group of people working in cubicles.

We shouldn't have to even hear one word of "the crazy things that's been going on in the office" - that's crap. I'm just speechless.

What were they thinking?

  • 12.30.2007 3:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Yup. This is a classic example of dilluted responsibilty. We saw exactly the same thing with the Halo PC port when the cheating and teamkilling problems got bad. Everyone points fingers and nothing gets done. But to be honest this is much much worse. Halo PC got many updates from Gearbox, and Halo Mac was supported even longer by MacSoft with updates. Those studios took real pride in the games they helped create. With the resources at Bungie's disposal, this is an absolute slap in the face travesty, a big FU to the people who paid for the game.

This is ridiculous. How long has this game been out about half a year? This game was already dead to me, but now it is dead to the guys who developed it too and that is a shame for everyone.

If Bungie had done the port and vested some interest in the success of the game, this would have never happened.

  • 12.30.2007 6:11 PM PDT
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Sadly, Microsoft owns the IP (Intellectual Property) to the Halo franchise, so I doubt it was up to them (and I'm not implying you're saying that either). I mean, Bungie is just... Bungie, they're magic.. and they would never, ever leave a game like this to a retarded, small team of code-monkeys working in cubicles, mostly comprised of interns, working in high-rise building office.. where Jason is the most popular person at the water cooler, and Vicky is the annoying secretary lady that everyone finds annoying.

Alright, I'm rambling. But this crap. Utter crap.

*insert 16-bit Captain Jean Luc' Picard facepalm*

  • 12.30.2007 6:17 PM PDT
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Buyer's Remorse

Well, either way, I don't have much to complain about this game; I didn't pay for it (and I gladly would have, if it wasn't utter crap), so >_>

=D

Still, *facepalm*

  • 12.30.2007 6:34 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

The buyers remorse open letter to Bungie circulated around this forum before, very well written and makes some good points.

I did pay for the game and can't even sell it because of Microsoft's retarded activation system.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. You can bet that I will never purchase another PC game that Microsoft's hands have touched.

Btw, when I initially installed the game and realized that there were literally no video tweaking options, I should have know it was a pile of crap. I'm old, I should have known better. :)

[Edited on 12.30.2007 6:43 PM PST]

  • 12.30.2007 6:40 PM PDT
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No, not so much Microsoft... I don't blame Microsoft, per se.. I blame the "small team" for this travesty. If perhaps it was passed-on to actual developers, rather than some retarded interns working in cubicles in a high-rise building, this would have never happened.

*facepalm*

EDIT: Another piece of evidence Hired Gun is crap is how they program. In the H2V Map Editor, they have this one application. And guess what they used? Some interns decided it'd be easier to just use the .net framework here.. what does that tell you? How do I know? Only Managed Code can be decompiled, and fully viewable. I sorted through the code (it's not an exact replica of the code, but managed code is very easy to disassemble, and it extremely accurate, and close to the original source), and man oh man, they have the worst coding conventions ever.

If they feel the need to literally "drag and drop", and then use "plugin" code later.. and still end up screwing up that application, what does that tell you about what they did with the actual port?

*facepalm*

[Edited on 12.30.2007 6:50 PM PST]

  • 12.30.2007 6:44 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: Mr Faucy Paunts
No, not so much Microsoft... I don't blame Microsoft, per se.. I blame the "small team" for this travesty. If perhaps it was passed-on to actual developers, rather than some retarded interns working in cubicles in a high-rise building, this would have never happened.

*facepalm*


The buck has to stop somewhere though. I think Hired Gun was directed, forced, whatever, to move onto a new project. I doubt that they have any real choice in the matter other than to quit in protest. And I can assure you they don't care enough about a silly port to quit. Nobody had a real stake in the success of the game. Some of the best games come from small studios who work their asses off to make a great game, willing to suffer financial ruin if they blow it. This is how Bungie began many years ago, and they had great successes thoughout the 90s.

  • 12.30.2007 6:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

No one is disputing that Hired Gun is crap. I think that was pretty much clear to everyone the day the game hit store shelves.

*facepalm* indeed....

  • 12.30.2007 6:57 PM PDT
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Well, it seems it was kinda plopped on to their pants. I know they're really not in the position to do much else, but all they seem to be doing is pointing fingers in a totally unprofessional manner.

I never did say small studios didn't great games (that's how Bungie started out, after all), but they were ambitious, and passionate about creating a game. This seems more like a "oh, let's just throw the development of this port to some small team at Microsoft. Oh, and make it Vista-only because everyone knows that Halo 2 is BIG, and everyone wants it! It'll boost sales of Vista phenomenally!".

I'm so glad I didn't pay a penny for this trash

  • 12.30.2007 6:59 PM PDT

Considering the fact that I never even got Halo 2 Vista to work, I'm not surprised at all. I HATE how Microsoft screws up their products to save themselves a buck, then expects the consumers to suffer while they suck all the $$$ from them (which is why I AM NOT BUYING AN XBOX 360. I just bought a PS3 and CoD4, much better than a 360). If they end support for the game, they had better damn well refund my money as well. That is why I hate Xbox Live, and never want to see it on the PC again. Microsoft introduced Live so instead of the users having control over the online portion of the game (currently server operators do, the existing online gaming networking infrastructure consists of server operators, so as long as the people who run those servers still want the game to run and keep the servers up, the game is not dead)., Microsoft can have complete control over the online portion of the game. So insted of users having a say, they can say "Well, we screwed this up so we could save $, so we better cancel it", and just like that, it's dead. That's why I use open-source software like Linux, because the users have a say and full control over the products. I'll be laughing when m$ looses all their $ because of their cheapskate business model and ripping consumers off. They'll be filing for bankruptcy soon, I can see it now! Class action lawsuit, anyone?

[Edited on 12.30.2007 9:19 PM PST]

  • 12.30.2007 9:19 PM PDT
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*sigh*

Why is it the forum regulars are the ones who don't know anything?

Bungie is the one to blame, as is Microsoft. Just like the situation with Gearbox, Hired Gun was told what to do, as in mandated by Bungie and Microsoft. The only people that are even offering to fix technical issues with Halo 2 Vista as of now are a few people that were part of Hired Gun, and they're doing it in their spare time.

So the next time you curse the very name that's trying to improve a failed port, check who was really behind the fiasco of it all; hint hint: It was NOT the scapegoats.

EDIT: And honestly, we had a topic about this when it happened back in October.

[Edited on 12.31.2007 12:53 AM PST]

  • 12.31.2007 12:51 AM PDT
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Must you put so much emphasis on being an ass?

Sorry to break it to you, but I like to bury my head in the sand, and pretend Bungie has a passion for absolute best quality, and I don't believe they would've left it up to a small team at Microsoft if given the choice.

Either way, Bungie, Microsoft, or Bungie & Microsoft was behind leaving it up to Hired Gun, why should we really blame them as a whole? I just blame the crappy programmers/planners at Hired Gun. Maybe they just didn't have enough resources to get the project done properly on-time, who knows?

I don't know all the facts here, but it seems pretty apparent to me that Hired Gun, and some retarded fatcats in a small division of Microsoft (not as a whole) are to blame here. And I'm just kinda venting my frustration here, at what seems apparent here.

Really, must you put emphasis on being a jerk here? And so what if the same topic was here last October? I wasn't there for it, and this is the first time I'm discussing it.

Well, whatever the case, this is crap. And yes, I'm aware playing the "blame game" here won't really accomplish anything. But hey, someone screwed up Halo, and that's something to get peeved about.

Next time, try to correct us in a non-arrogant/diminutive manner. Jerk.

  • 12.31.2007 7:57 AM PDT

So what does this mean? That the game will not be sold anymore? Or the online portion will be shut down?

  • 12.31.2007 9:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Doug52392
So what does this mean? That the game will not be sold anymore? Or the online portion will be shut down?
No, the game will still sell, there's just nobody to really maintain it anymore, I guess. So, no more online support for it, or auto-updates =[

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Posted by: Mr Faucy Paunts
Posted by: Doug52392
So what does this mean? That the game will not be sold anymore? Or the online portion will be shut down?
No, the game will still sell, there's just nobody to really maintain it anymore, I guess. So, no more online support for it, or auto-updates =[
eh? All the auto updates were pretty much to take out a naked picture of a game developers ass, added more resolutions, and the countless and worthless updates from Microsoft updating GFWL.

I mean if they actually added something worth while in an update I would be disappointed.

  • 12.31.2007 12:17 PM PDT

Someone should work on getting some sort of replecement server or something online if they are really stopping online service. Like a huge VPN or something, and make it free to stick it to Microsoft for discontinuing online service.

[Edited on 12.31.2007 12:19 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2007 12:19 PM PDT

you may know me as X[IGN]

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*hands Kim a crowbar*
Here you will need this to help you get your foot out of the back of your throat, looks llike its in there pretty deep. And what is that on your face? Egg?! *hands Kim a washcloth*

Posted by: Doug52392
Someone should work on getting some sort of replecement server or something online if they are really stopping online service. Like a huge VPN or something, and make it free to stick it to Microsoft for discontinuing online service.


You dont read do you?

  • 12.31.2007 3:11 PM PDT

Posted by: staticx576
Posted by: Doug52392
Someone should work on getting some sort of replecement server or something online if they are really stopping online service. Like a huge VPN or something, and make it free to stick it to Microsoft for discontinuing online service.


You dont read do you?
What did I not read?

  • 12.31.2007 3:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Doug52392
Posted by: staticx576
Posted by: Doug52392
Someone should work on getting some sort of replecement server or something online if they are really stopping online service. Like a huge VPN or something, and make it free to stick it to Microsoft for discontinuing online service.


You dont read do you?
What did I not read?


Dude... the whole thread.

To be honest with you guys, you have my condolences. But I'll be damned if a TON of the people on this forum didn't see this coming.
Look, I know we're not the apex of humanity here. A lot of us are just teenagers that love Halo PC. But very very few of the people who bought H2V listened to what me, Kim, and others had to say about this. I hoped against hope that I could join all the people who purchased this game down the line in a year or so when I'm forced to buy a new computer and upgrade to Vista. Sadly, I think I'm going to play with the original Master Chief for a very long time... or at least until Halo 3 PC comes out (hopefully not a crapped out port that everyone involved with treats like a crack baby).
And although you guys want to jump on Hired gun, gues who's on the H2V forums actually DOING -blam!-? Hint: It's not an M$ fat cat or Frankie. It's a balding, 30-something guy that whored himself out to the wrong company and is doing at least a little to try and fix it. Show some respect.

  • 12.31.2007 3:51 PM PDT
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Sorry, but I refuse to have some compassion here. It may be some fatcat's fault, Hired Gun, Bungie, Microsoft, or whoever. It doesn't really matter anymore. Someone screwed up Halo - and I'll be honest: I really couldn't care if it wasn't Hired Gun's fault for this, because they kinda had this plopped on to them because someone wanted to be cheap.

Heh, but it doesn't really matter, does it? What's playing the blame-game going to do? Nothing. But hey! This is the Internet, and we're just discussing crap =D

In any case, someone messed up Halo, and that pisses me off.

[Edited on 12.31.2007 4:02 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2007 4:01 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Posted by: Agamemnon582bc
*sigh*

Why is it the forum regulars are the ones who don't know anything?

Bungie is the one to blame, as is Microsoft. Just like the situation with Gearbox, Hired Gun was told what to do, as in mandated by Bungie and Microsoft. The only people that are even offering to fix technical issues with Halo 2 Vista as of now are a few people that were part of Hired Gun, and they're doing it in their spare time.

So the next time you curse the very name that's trying to improve a failed port, check who was really behind the fiasco of it all; hint hint: It was NOT the scapegoats.

EDIT: And honestly, we had a topic about this when it happened back in October.


I agree with your post, but give some people around here a bit of credit. It's pretty obvious to me that Microsoft called the shots on this one thus ultimately no one is to blame but them. Gearbox was scapegoated as well for the Halo PC port. Gearbox never wanted crappy netcode, M$ forced them to include 56k support to increase the bottom line. Microsoft Gaming Studios is a bunch of suits who go to lunch and don't know the first thing about making a great game. In the end, H2V was a spectacular failure when you consider all the facts. They had tremendous exposure, unparalled resources, and they still chose to shortchange the game. It should be no surprise to these guys that the game sold poorly. Add in the requirement for Vista, which inofitself is a spectacular failure, and the confusion over Live that many (hate to say it) idiots couldn't figure out, and you have a recipe for disaster. What a shame, but they did it to themselves. Hired Gun deserves blame as well, but much less so.

What is Bungie's role in this? Not much other than a damaged reputation over something they really couldn't control. I would like to see them come out, apologize, and disavow the game. A little good will goes a long way sometimes. How about Frankie puts out a statement saying, "hey we didn't have much control over the project and we are sorry with how it was handled. We hope to regain some trust from our loyal PC fanbase by earning it."

BTW, what was the previous topic? I remember the thread about the open letter to Microsoft, but I don't recall people talking about the end of support for the game.

[Edited on 12.31.2007 5:35 PM PST]

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