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Subject: Why Halo beats Halo 3

Raggle Fraggle!

I miss H1's physics engine too. It might not have been as "realistic" as H3's, but drifting in the warthog was so much fun!

Oddly, I kinda miss fall damage too... dunno why

  • 12.31.2007 2:55 PM PDT

Such a variety of maps on Halo 1. If you wanted outdoor war: BG and SW or Battle Creek and B. Action. Indoor CTF could be Longest, Hang Em' High, or Damnation [i think?]. Crazy slayer battles could be located on Chill Out [shotty no shields!] or Rat Race.


It was the epitimy of gameplay.

  • 12.31.2007 2:56 PM PDT

Raggle Fraggle!

Posted by: blunts2blaze
Such a variety of maps on Halo 1. If you wanted outdoor war: BG and SW or Battle Creek and B. Action. Indoor CTF could be Longest, Hang Em' High, or Damnation [i think?]. Crazy slayer battles could be located on Chill Out [shotty no shields!] or Rat Race.


It was the epitimy of gameplay.


mmm... rat race :D

hurrah for team rockets no shields! betrayals for everyone!

  • 12.31.2007 2:58 PM PDT

Posted by: somerandomguy76
I miss H1's physics engine too. It might not have been as "realistic" as H3's, but drifting in the warthog was so much fun!

Oddly, I kinda miss fall damage too... dunno why


Fall Damage= Strategy. You can fall four stories in H3 and be unscathed and that's sort of redic.

Invincible warthogs were the greatest too. Much better than the other two versions [though I wish transport warthogs exsisted in H1].

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Online matchmaking really needs to diversify its game types. I think the online games are shorter now a days cause everyone is too concerned with rankings, and if you want to rank up, a 3 hour CTF game really gets in the way of building XP. Anyways, when my friends want to get a good game in we just use custom settings and play by ourselves. Maybe Bungie sometime in the future will add more sections for longer games...for people who dont care about xp and just want to get a quality match going.

  • 12.31.2007 2:59 PM PDT

Yeah, time limits need to dissapear on Social Matches..

  • 12.31.2007 3:02 PM PDT

Posted by: blunts2blaze
I know we're all sick of CoD4 vs. Halo 3 so let's stick to a more overlooked aspect.

Halo 1 is better than Halo 3.

As dumb as it sounds it's true. Halo 3 may have forge and a great multi-player on XBL, but Halo: CE warrants more replay than Halo 3.

Let's take Campaign from H1 and H3 into comparison: Not only is Halo 1 Campaign better, it gives so much room to explore. Every large level in Halo 3 has a rediculous amount of invisible barriers creating a cramped environment on a huge level. The level Covenant is a piss ant put against AoTCR. Especially on Legendary. Playing Covenant is forced and rough around the edges. Control Room is huge and so fun to play. You can grab a tank or a banshee or a warthog or a ghost. You're not forced to a damn Hornet.

Obviously graphics aren't up for comparison. So we'll pass that up.

Music is better in Halo 1 just because it's classic. There's so many ugly remixes of Halo songs in Halo 3 that it makes me puke.

The A.I. in Halo 1 seems to be smarter than the guys in Halo 3. The marines know whats going on and don't drive away with your warthog [ or destroy you while you're in it]. Elite A.I. [and Elites in general] is a more enjoyable adversary than any Brute in Halo 3.

The diagnosis: Halo 3 overdosed on too much new stuff. Too many weapons [however I was very pleased to see the pistol and AR return]. Too many vehicles that have no real use [aside from the chopper]. Sure the jacking system was a cool addition, but Halo 2 already pulled that out.

Obviously online play goes to Halo 3, but multiplayer goes to Halo 1. XBC and LAN battles were plenty more exciting than the Halo 3 XBL. No wonder numbers of gamers on H3 have dwindled online from 500,000 to 50,000. Everyone has gone back to H1 or Cod4. I know I have.

I'm not saying that Halo 3 is a bad game. It's pretty good to be honest. But it is nowhere near Halo 1.


wow...yesterday i was playing halo 1 and i have to say...you are totally right, fighting elites is so much better than slower dumber brutes and the game is much more fun on legendary than halo 3 will ever be,no place like AoTCR period.On a side note the armor in halo 1 actually shines more than the one in Halo 3!! IT LOOKS better!! dont bother with these kids that think halo 3 is better,i am a Hardcore Halo fan and i have been playing Halo since day 1 and it actually pisses me off to admit that halo 3 is flawed so badly that it's not what it could have been,but still that doesnt mean it's a bad game either.

  • 12.31.2007 3:04 PM PDT

Posted by: ICEMAN ASSASS1N
Oh, and Boost Deuce is > ALL


STOP SENDING ME GROUP INVITES

i laugh at the people who say i would pay 100 dollars for halo 1 with XBL. when it comes down to it, if Bungie released halo 1 with XBL support and wanted 100 dollars for it every one of you would complain saying its too much money for an old game that you already own and just need xbox support for.

You guys complain about 10 dollars for maps and say you would pay 100 dollars for halo 1. lol

And the tard who said halo 3 went from 500,000 to 50,000 because they went to halo 1 or COD 4, you are an idiot, too.

  • 12.31.2007 3:11 PM PDT

they sure as hell aren;t playing Halo3 anymore

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AOTC had a big map but the battles were small. Hell, when you first rescue the stranded marines, maybe 40 percent of the battlefield is being used, the other half is basically wasting memory. AOTC had much more indoor battles than COvenant in which I remember maybe 4 sixths of the level was indoor. It was also a repetitive indoor enviroment. Hell, The Ark's battlefields were actually being used and the tank battle at the end, it's battlefield was being entirely used and it was much lager than any of AOTC battles.

All I can say is take off the Rose coloured glasses of Nostalgia, half your facts are biased considering that on LAN, you play with friends not random jackasses that scream into the mike constantly. (I Should know I don't really play Halo 3 because of them anymore) The music, I actually like the remix of the Main theme song for Halo 3, it just seems... more busy. But Hey! Thats my opinion, thats why. But for Marine AI, that doesen't make any sense considering that MAster Chief is the Hero, not some random marines. The marines on Alpha Halo were fighting desperately so they would obviously be better.

For some reason Bungie ignored the marines being desperate in Halo 3 but I like what they did. If the AI was super smart the campaign would be too easy.

YOu also forget that Halo 3 has skulls which make the game more exciting and AI more tough and intelligent. Too bad you completely ignored this fact.

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  • 12.31.2007 3:13 PM PDT
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All Halo 1 needs is a much more accurate assault rifle, Weaker pistol, Halo 3's multiplayer (matcmaking, forge, custom games etc) and maybe an update here and there. With the features above would be better than anything - Except maybe Halo 2.

[Edited on 12.31.2007 3:16 PM PST]

  • 12.31.2007 3:13 PM PDT
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I must agree. The campaign in Halo:CE was epic! I'd play that any day over H3 (AotCR anyone?).

Yeah, H3 has Forge and Saved films etc, but I still haven't played it much. I have honestly played more H1 than H3 since H3 was released.

I reckon that if Bungie re-released Halo:CE on the 360 with XBL, Saved films, online co-op etc (keep the old weapons, they were awesome, screw balance, it was more fun) they would make a killing, and business is about money, right?

  • 12.31.2007 3:16 PM PDT

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Opinions aren't facts and that's a fact.

Posted by: blunts2blaze

I'm not saying that Halo 3 is a bad game. It's pretty good to be honest. But it is nowhere near Halo 1.


Maybe you should be stating real points and researching before you make a flamebait post.

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Wow, you managed to be right for all the wrong reasons. Halo 1 is better game because it is more exact. Halo 2 and 3 were for online play, which meant they had to become less accurate in order to function properly. Most of your reasons are small and petty complaints focusing on the campaign. And in the opinion of someone who has play through Halo 1's campaign literally hundreds of times, Halo 3's campaign is a worthy successor to it.

  • 12.31.2007 3:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Elevated Earth
Wow, you managed to be right for all the wrong reasons. Halo 1 is better game because it is more exact. Halo 2 and 3 were for online play, which meant they had to become less accurate in order to function properly. Most of your reasons are small and petty complaints focusing on the campaign. And in the opinion of someone who has play through Halo 1's campaign literally hundreds of times, Halo 3's campaign is a worthy successor to it.


No, Halo 1 is just more fun.

Not hundreds. Like 40-50 inthe past 7 years or. That is unbalanced compared to the 3-4 times I beat Halo 3.

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Posted by: blunts2blaze
Posted by: Elevated Earth
Wow, you managed to be right for all the wrong reasons. Halo 1 is better game because it is more exact. Halo 2 and 3 were for online play, which meant they had to become less accurate in order to function properly. Most of your reasons are small and petty complaints focusing on the campaign. And in the opinion of someone who has play through Halo 1's campaign literally hundreds of times, Halo 3's campaign is a worthy successor to it.


No, Halo 1 is just more fun.

Not hundreds. Like 40-50 inthe past 7 years or. That is unbalanced compared to the 3-4 times I beat Halo 3.


Lame, with me and my brother, I AT LEAST beat the campaign 55 times over the past 7 years. For some reason though, even though Halo 3's campaign is better BY FAR (Custscenes are much better, battles more epic etc..) I just can't seem to beat Halo 3's cmpaign at least 3 times without getting bored of it. Right when I start A level I go 5 minutes and then quit.

  • 12.31.2007 3:24 PM PDT

with you and your brother. i did it solo. and im not arguing how many times you beat it or w.e.
im just trying to make my point

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Posted by: blunts2blaze
I know we're all sick of CoD4 vs. Halo 3 so let's stick to a more overlooked aspect.

Halo 1 is better than Halo 3.

As dumb as it sounds it's true. Halo 3 may have forge and a great multi-player on XBL, but Halo: CE warrants more replay than Halo 3.

Let's take Campaign from H1 and H3 into comparison: Not only is Halo 1 Campaign better, it gives so much room to explore. Every large level in Halo 3 has a rediculous amount of invisible barriers creating a cramped environment on a huge level. The level Covenant is a piss ant put against AoTCR. Especially on Legendary. Playing Covenant is forced and rough around the edges. Control Room is huge and so fun to play. You can grab a tank or a banshee or a warthog or a ghost. You're not forced to a damn Hornet.

Obviously graphics aren't up for comparison. So we'll pass that up.

Music is better in Halo 1 just because it's classic. There's so many ugly remixes of Halo songs in Halo 3 that it makes me puke.

The A.I. in Halo 1 seems to be smarter than the guys in Halo 3. The marines know whats going on and don't drive away with your warthog [ or destroy you while you're in it]. Elite A.I. [and Elites in general] is a more enjoyable adversary than any Brute in Halo 3.

The diagnosis: Halo 3 overdosed on too much new stuff. Too many weapons [however I was very pleased to see the pistol and AR return]. Too many vehicles that have no real use [aside from the chopper]. Sure the jacking system was a cool addition, but Halo 2 already pulled that out.

Obviously online play goes to Halo 3, but multiplayer goes to Halo 1. XBC and LAN battles were plenty more exciting than the Halo 3 XBL. No wonder numbers of gamers on H3 have dwindled online from 500,000 to 50,000. Everyone has gone back to H1 or Cod4. I know I have.

I'm not saying that Halo 3 is a bad game. It's pretty good to be honest. But it is nowhere near Halo 1.


wow...yesterday i was playing halo 1 and i have to say...you are totally right, fighting elites is so much better than slower dumber brutes and the game is much more fun on legendary than halo 3 will ever be,no place like AoTCR period.On a side note the armor in halo 1 actually shines more than the one in Halo 3!! IT LOOKS better!! dont bother with these kids that think halo 3 is better,i am a Hardcore Halo fan and i have been playing Halo since day 1 and it actually pisses me off to admit that halo 3 is flawed so badly that it's not what it could have been,but still that doesnt mean it's a bad game either.


Your an idiot, I think you need an eye doctor, Master chief in Halo 3 is much more shinier...

http://pcmedia.gamespy.com/pc/image/article/687/687231/ihalo-2 i-coming-to-windows-vista-20060209092831676.jpg

http://www.breakitdownblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/hal o-3-master-chief.jpg


But this is a dumn arguement I have no Idea why I looked for that information.


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  • 12.31.2007 3:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: blunts2blaze
they sure as hell aren;t playing Halo3 anymore


Console gamers are all the same, right when the next "new" thing comes out, they all rush to it. Look what happened to GOW, what was left of their fanbase went off to play Halo 3. Same as Halo 3, right when COD4 came around the corner, everyone went to that game "Just because everyone else was". Same goes for World of Warcraft.com. Everyone on the forums goes to the next new tMMORPG because they think everyone else will play that game.

1 million cancelled subscriptions later, those people go back to WoW, the same has happened with Halo 3. Hell COD4 only has an average of 60,000 people playing that game now.

  • 12.31.2007 3:36 PM PDT
Subject: Why Halo beats Halo 3

I know we're all sick of CoD4 vs. Halo 3 so let's stick to a more overlooked aspect.

Halo 1 is better than Halo 3.

As dumb as it sounds it's true. Halo 3 may have forge and a great multi-player on XBL, but Halo: CE warrants more replay than Halo 3.

Let's take Campaign from H1 and H3 into comparison: Not only is Halo 1 Campaign better, it gives so much room to explore. Every large level in Halo 3 has a rediculous amount of invisible barriers creating a cramped environment on a huge level. The level Covenant is a piss ant put against AoTCR. Especially on Legendary. Playing Covenant is forced and rough around the edges. Control Room is huge and so fun to play. You can grab a tank or a banshee or a warthog or a ghost. You're not forced to a damn Hornet.

Obviously graphics aren't up for comparison. So we'll pass that up.

Music is better in Halo 1 just because it's classic. There's so many ugly remixes of Halo songs in Halo 3 that it makes me puke.

The A.I. in Halo 1 seems to be smarter than the guys in Halo 3. The marines know whats going on and don't drive away with your warthog [ or destroy you while you're in it]. Elite A.I. [and Elites in general] is a more enjoyable adversary than any Brute in Halo 3.

The diagnosis: Halo 3 overdosed on too much new stuff. Too many weapons [however I was very pleased to see the pistol and AR return]. Too many vehicles that have no real use [aside from the chopper]. Sure the jacking system was a cool addition, but Halo 2 already pulled that out.

Obviously online play goes to Halo 3, but multiplayer goes to Halo 1. XBC and LAN battles were plenty more exciting than the Halo 3 XBL. No wonder numbers of gamers on H3 have dwindled online from 500,000 to 50,000. Everyone has gone back to H1 or Cod4. I know I have.

I'm not saying that Halo 3 is a bad game. It's pretty good to be honest. But it is nowhere near Halo 1.

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ok I have to say that halo 1 SUCKS ok I said it may have a super cool automatic rifle but halo 3 brought it back and the grphics are bad.... and there is no dual wielding or jacking I just like halo 3 better go ahead and call me a freak but I LOVE halo 3

  • 12.31.2007 3:38 PM PDT

Posted by: tmoney1978
Good call man...glad im not the only one who thinks this. I was so excited when I saw the new XBL update and there it was, a downloadable version of HALO. All I thought was " updated graphics, surround sound, xbl multiplayer support, yes!" Then I downloaded it and I was a little let down. I think a lot of us "older" halo players await the day when Bungie/MS releases a remake of halo with all new graphics and xbl support. I think they'd make a killing.


Meh....I just couldnt go back to that....

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halo1 would never beat halo3 the only reason your saying that is because you dont have halo3 or a xbox360 so stop making these stupid forums

  • 12.31.2007 3:41 PM PDT

I do. And after comparison, I;ve come to grips that it's easier to become immersed and enjoy Halo 1.

  • 12.31.2007 3:53 PM PDT

Posted by: blunts2blaze
I know we're all sick of CoD4 vs. Halo 3 so let's stick to a more overlooked aspect.

Halo 1 is better than Halo 3.

As dumb as it sounds it's true. Halo 3 may have forge and a great multi-player on XBL, but Halo: CE warrants more replay than Halo 3.

Let's take Campaign from H1 and H3 into comparison: Not only is Halo 1 Campaign better, it gives so much room to explore. Every large level in Halo 3 has a rediculous amount of invisible barriers creating a cramped environment on a huge level. The level Covenant is a piss ant put against AoTCR. Especially on Legendary. Playing Covenant is forced and rough around the edges. Control Room is huge and so fun to play. You can grab a tank or a banshee or a warthog or a ghost. You're not forced to a damn Hornet.


The Two Scarab Battle? You can fly a Hornet, ride one, take a tank, a mongoose, drive or gun a hog, hell even board a Banshee or a ghost or a Wraith. Halo 1 also had some scenes where you were forced to fly.
You're a bit right about the open-ness... one of the things Halo 1 does best.


Obviously graphics aren't up for comparison. So we'll pass that up.

Music is better in Halo 1 just because it's classic. There's so many ugly remixes of Halo songs in Halo 3 that it makes me puke.

Opinions, people, opininons. IMO, h3 did better at making the music correspond to the in-game events (h2 did that best).


The A.I. in Halo 1 seems to be smarter than the guys in Halo 3. The marines know whats going on and don't drive away with your warthog [ or destroy you while you're in it]. Elite A.I. [and Elites in general] is a more enjoyable adversary than any Brute in Halo 3.


The Halo 1 marines seem to be really weak, mainly because they all have h1 AR:s, which won't even scratch a grunt. Agree with Elites, but in h3, they are your allies, and very useful ones indeed. Inability to equip Marines in h1 makes them less enjoyable, and their dialogue is too often discouraging.


The diagnosis: Halo 3 overdosed on too much new stuff. Too many weapons [however I was very pleased to see the pistol and AR return]. Too many vehicles that have no real use [aside from the chopper]. Sure the jacking system was a cool addition, but Halo 2 already pulled that out.

Obviously online play goes to Halo 3, but multiplayer goes to Halo 1. XBC and LAN battles were plenty more exciting than the Halo 3 XBL. No wonder numbers of gamers on H3 have dwindled online from 500,000 to 50,000. Everyone has gone back to H1 or Cod4. I know I have.

I'm not saying that Halo 3 is a bad game. It's pretty good to be honest. But it is nowhere near Halo 1.


I see 900,000 people online today...

  • 12.31.2007 6:38 PM PDT