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Subject: Why Halo beats Halo 3

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Halo CE is my fav, I remember seeing it in a gmes shop on a TV and I didn't think much of it..until I had a LAN party round a friend's house...

Thats what set me on my way and its that nostalgia factor coupled with the overall feel of the game that puts it just ahead of Halo 3....I just cannot help but feel that Halo 3 was a little bit rushed and not enough quality went into it.

For example how much of a marketing campaign did Bungie have for Halo CE ? None virtually. All of the guys were busy beavering away at the game making it more polished than a bald man with a polish fetish.
Now you take Halo 2 and 3 and they had lots of marketing etc etc and for me this over exposed te games to a degree and thus built a foundation of hype. This hype caused major problems for Halo 2 and 3 for example the E3 footage of New Mombasa for Halo 2 and the Diorama for Halo 3 (as people thought it was going to involve a mental sized battle)

I am not saying that the hype and the sensational marketing campaigns caused the downfall of Halo 2 and 3 I am saying that the low key affair of Halo CE somewhat boosted the credibility and overall feel of the experience as you mostly heard about Halo CE through mates or LAN parties

[Edited on 11.27.2008 3:53 AM PST]

  • 11.27.2008 3:52 AM PDT

I agree there. The Hype leads to a bit of disappointment, but all the games were rushed. The only difference is that Halo: CE had something to prove, and did so many things right.

  • 11.27.2008 6:10 AM PDT
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I still play Halo 1 Custom Edition on my computer. There's a small population, but its so consistent that you can always find games. There are some really good player-created maps, but none can beat CTF on Blood Gulch or Hang Em' High. I have one varient of Hang em' High where constantly spawning Marines are fighting constantly spawning Elites. That's always fun.

  • 11.27.2008 7:05 AM PDT
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I think it was better. I know what you mean about the campaign. It was just more epic. And all the MLG and ranking stuff in Halo 3 takes away alot of the fun.

  • 11.27.2008 11:52 AM PDT

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Posted by: blunts2blaze
Music is better in Halo 1 just because it's classic. There's so many ugly remixes of Halo songs in Halo 3 that it makes me puke.



Total BS. The music is way better in Halo 3 than the first one take it from a musician.

This thread is garbage completely. Halo CE was a great game no doubt, but it's not better than Halo 3. The Campaign for Halo CE was my least favorite, then came Halo 3, and Halo 2 was my favorite.

There is no chance you can say Halo is a better game than Halo 3 because that is complete blasphemy and I can't even fathom how ridiculous this thread is. How people are agreeing with you is what really gets me. The health system in Halo CE was terrible compared to H3, and your AI statement was completely inaccurate. I've seen such better AI in Halo 3 than in either of the other Halo games. Think about what you're saying right now. Halo CE is not BETTER than Halo 3.

  • 11.27.2008 12:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cherokee4WD
I think it was better. I know what you mean about the campaign. It was just more epic. And all the MLG and ranking stuff in Halo 3 takes away alot of the fun.


Ranks and MLG DO NOT take away the fun at all. A lot of people play Halo 3 to get their rank up, not always only for the fun.

  • 11.27.2008 12:48 PM PDT

Halo 1 Campagain is far better than Halo 3. It is longer large levels like AOTCR are the best Halo levels IMO. Halo 1 also has the best story out of all other Halo's. If only Halo had improved graphics and online play i would play it al the time.

  • 11.27.2008 1:01 PM PDT

Halo 3 online is the best but in campagain your right something in Halo 1 makes it better. Maybe the overdose of new weapons and vehicles in Halo 3 campagain wasn't so god. Levels like the Ark or Covenant just can't match AOTCR or Two Betrayals.

[Edited on 11.27.2008 1:08 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2008 1:07 PM PDT

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Halo 2 is better than both.

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Posted by: Firecrotch979
Total BS. The music is way better in Halo 3 than the first one take it from a musician.

Just because you're a musician doesn't make you better qualified to judge whether a piece of music is "better" than another. That line of logic leads to me being unqualified to judge the merits of two books just because I'm not an author. It is purely opinion.

This thread is garbage completely. Halo CE was a great game no doubt, but it's not better than Halo 3. The Campaign for Halo CE was my least favorite, then came Halo 3, and Halo 2 was my favorite.
Well, that's great that you have preferences regarding each game's campaign. We have ours. I think you'll find we disagree.

There is no chance you can say Halo is a better game than Halo 3 because that is complete blasphemy and I can't even fathom how ridiculous this thread is.
I like how you just dismiss this thread out of hand, with no real arguments.

How people are agreeing with you is what really gets me. The health system in Halo CE was terrible compared to H3
Wow, sorry that body shots actually count for something in this game.

and your AI statement was completely inaccurate. I've seen such better AI in Halo 3 than in either of the other Halo games. Think about what you're saying right now. Halo CE is not BETTER than Halo 3.
Really? Prove that Brutes in Halo 3 are smarter than Elites in Halo 1. You can't.

  • 11.27.2008 6:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
I'd love to be a 10 year old and tell my mom I'm going on an adventure out into the world catching Pokemon, with her full support. Never mind the fact that there are rapists, criminals, and murders out there, or the fact that I may get killed by a Pokemon.

Luckily I have Pikachu.

The Halo 1 Elites are more smarter than the Halo 3 Brutes, in Halo 1 Elites usually duck and take cover rather quickly, they also dodge vehicles and grenades rather than waiting to dodge them after they get stuck.

The only issues with the Halo 1 AI is that enemies would jump off edges and fall to their deaths in order to dodge vehicles and grenades, the other issue is that at a certain range they would not attack or run after you.

In Halo 3 Brutes usually just stand and absorb your bullets/grenades untill they are dead.

Posted by: Firecrotch979
Total BS. The music is way better in Halo 3 than the first one take it from a musician.
Again that is not true, Halo 1's music is more ambient and tribal, it doesn't sound as cluttered as Halo 3's soundtrack does.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr3ViZXl5Ws

[Edited on 11.27.2008 10:55 PM PST]

  • 11.27.2008 10:49 PM PDT

You know, I could try and pick apart your arguments a bit more fully, but I don't want to upstage my fine fellows here.

  • 11.28.2008 10:36 AM PDT

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I agree the musical score in Halo CE was far better suited to the experience the player had in the game. Another poster touched on this by saying it had a more tribal feel, this is very much a correct statement.....Halo 2's soundtrack had worthless interludes and felt a bit "too" jazzed up, although it had fantastic tracks like "heavy Price Paid" "High Charity" and "Ghosts of Reach"

Halo 3's soundtrack, when you look at it, refelected the game perfectly - you had the feeling you had been here before on various parts of the game. For example a lot of the tracks on the Halo 3 CD were remixes of some of the old classic tracks and this is a semi relflection on Halo 3 as the game had feelings of "been there done that" but with a different twist - the AR is an example but was "remixed" with different sounds and smaller clip.

Another example is the last level on Halo 3 which felt like a "remix" of the last level of Halo CE....I hope I am being clear as to what I am on about

So in summary the Halo CE soundtrack is superior as it was fresh, innovative and matched the experience very well indeed. The Halo 3 soundtrack felt like a bit of a rehash...

  • 12.01.2008 1:29 AM PDT

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Halo 1 beats every game and without it, there would be no xbox nor xbox 360. It sparked the new 1st person shooters and alien invasions. Yeah Halo 2 and Halo 3 can be played on xbox live which makes them fun as hell but if halo 1 was xbox live compatible, there would be thousands playing that instead of halo 2 and 3 and people who play halo pc who have xboxs would switch over to xbox.

  • 12.02.2008 2:27 PM PDT
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Screw that, get me a 4v4 CTF on Blood Gulch or Sidewinder. That's better than anything Halo 3 can muster.

Sooo true

  • 12.12.2008 5:10 PM PDT

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RIP Halo 2

Agreed.

  • 12.15.2008 6:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Rade9098
One of the problems with Halo 3's online multiplayer is that its ranked. I honestly think that introducing ranking into any multiplayer game, not just Halo 3, makes it a lot worse. The problem with ranking is that then people start to play just for the ranking, and don't have fun. They get focused on doing good, and if they don't see progress and achievement they just get angry and pissed off, and they're not entertained at all. The purpose of ranking is supposed to be to give people more balanced games, to provide a better experience, but in my opinion having occasional unbalanced games are better, so even with its true purpose it still isn't helping. Occasionally getting a noob to pwn and occasionally getting slammed by a pro (at least, so long as you can take it and respect it) can be a lot more fun at times than always having the same level of competition.


For me the above is the main reason why I cannot stand Halo 3's online MM. Time after time you get abuse regarding how "ranked" you are or "u iz not teh generall"....I mean come on....its awful to listen to.

Even the Halo 3 forum has gone to pot with endless threads from sulky and surly players complaining that they are "rank locked" when they should really understand that they are not good enough to progress yet....

MLG, for me is the single biggest disaster to have happened to the Halo series, its so frustrating hearing how that if you are not a high rank in MLG than you suck. Only the other week I was reading several posts by people calling themselves "iTz Br Skillz" and "OMG iTz 4shot" and the level of sheer arrogance and ignorance coming from them was totally mind blowing.

I am a veteran gamer and I have never known a similar level of arrogance and absolute disregard for anyone that doesnt buy into the false sense of "higher being" if you are not in the "MLG Crowd" My first console was the Sega Megadrive (Genesis) and I loved playing 4 player games like micro machines etc, then eventually got a SNES, Dreamcast etc and then N64 with Goldeneye and lastly Xbox with Halo and have I had similar problems with these games? No. Banter? Yes, downright rudeness and appaling behaviour? Yes

Halo LAN summed up the Halo experience, no arrogance, no judging, no rambling threads about 4 shots or callouts its was just pure fun. Something that Halo 3 will never ever be.

Halo 3 sold its soul to MLG and it lost the respect of the majority of the decent gamers and in their place gained a shedload of "iTz" fanboys. Can you say thats progress? No.

Yes there are the good MLG players who do play for fun etc, but always with human nature - the minority ruin it for the majority.

[Edited on 12.16.2008 11:38 AM PST]

  • 12.16.2008 11:23 AM PDT

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  • 12.18.2008 4:02 PM PDT
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it is decided...halo 1 is better than halo 3.but hey halo 3 is ok.id put h2 and h1 even.

  • 12.20.2008 4:05 AM PDT

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The gameplay in Halo 1 is so much better. It's way more skill-based, way more balanced, thus way more fun and enjoyable. That part of the game is the closest to perfection I have seen any game come.

Halo 1's gameplay with GOW2's graphics and Halo 3's UI, Matchmaking and Customization Options = The best game ever, could never be surpassed

  • 12.22.2008 8:00 AM PDT

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Posted by: somerandomguy76
You just cant have a good CTF game in H3. I remember, back in the good old days of LAN, my friends and I had a 3 hour game of CTF on Sidewinder. 10 on 4 teams. No one got bored, everyone had fun. Most amazing game ever... Hell, my team, the 4, finally lost 3-2... and I still think it was the best game of anything I've ever played!

Now what do you get? A 15 minute game of Neutral Bomb.... come on!
The bolded part isnt really fair to say, you can still play really long games in H3, play some LAN or Custom games. But I do agree that the gameplay in H2/3 is nowhere near as fun as H1's, so I dont think anyone would sit through a 3 hour game.

  • 12.22.2008 8:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: Emo Slaya
AOTC had a big map but the battles were small. Hell, when you first rescue the stranded marines, maybe 40 percent of the battlefield is being used, the other half is basically wasting memory. AOTC had much more indoor battles than COvenant in which I remember maybe 4 sixths of the level was indoor. It was also a repetitive indoor enviroment. Hell, The Ark's battlefields were actually being used and the tank battle at the end, it's battlefield was being entirely used and it was much lager than any of AOTC battles.
Yep, but somehow the battles still felt much more epic. The wraiths hanging back and launching glowing globules of plasma across across a desolate field of snow was just.... it was just.... gold. Imagine AotCR (or more accurately Two Betrayals, which was a way more epic mission on the same map as AotCR) with more marines, more covenant, and a couple more vehicles?

All I can say is take off the Rose coloured glasses of Nostalgia, half your facts are biased considering that on LAN, you play with friends not random jackasses that scream into the mike constantly. (I Should know I don't really play Halo 3 because of them anymore) The music, I actually like the remix of the Main theme song for Halo 3, it just seems... more busy. But Hey! Thats my opinion, thats why. But for Marine AI, that doesen't make any sense considering that MAster Chief is the Hero, not some random marines. The marines on Alpha Halo were fighting desperately so they would obviously be better.So you do admit that the marines in Halo 1 were more aggressive (and thus more effective allies)? Don't be a fanboy... don't be biased... don't be hypocritical. It makes no difference that the marines on Earth "had it easier," even though they didn't, because they were defending humanity's last stronghold against a seemingly infinite Covenant fleet.

For some reason Bungie ignored the marines being desperate in Halo 3 but I like what they did. If the AI was super smart the campaign would be too easy.Desparate =/= Smart. They just needed to be more violent, the marines in H2 and 3 were technically "smarter" in a realistic sense, because they were wimps. It's not like a single plasma shot would kill them in Halo 2/3 as it would in real life, so I dont see why they hide behind cover for 80% of firefights in Halo 2 and 3.

YOu also forget that Halo 3 has skulls which make the game more exciting and AI more tough and intelligent. Too bad you completely ignored this fact.And Halo 1 had Race, Kill in Order, Invasion CTF and Neutral Flag. Halo 3 doesnt have any of those. Why did you ignore those?

[Edited on 12.22.2008 9:33 AM PST]

  • 12.22.2008 9:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: rac0000n
I don't contest you with the music, but I viscously deny your other points. I enjoyed Halo 1 Campaign, but some parts of it (getting lost on 343 Guilty Spark for the first couple of play-throughs). Also, the co-op is two player. Halo 3 is 4-player.
I also note you failed to mention campaign scoring and skulls. How can you overlook this is beyond me.


Well the 4 player co-op stlye was no thought of at the time, possibly due to the fact that the original Xbox may not have been able to handle it? Or the sheer fact that there wasn't huge demand for it seeing as 4 player is only really used on Live, and Live was not around during Halo's release.

Again, campaign scoring and skulls were more evolutionary aspects to Halo and were involved when the idea came to them. I am sure if Bungie had thought through using a campaign scoring and skull system during the production of Halo CE then they would have added them. But please bear in mind Halo Ce was rushed to meet Microsoft's demands and strict Xbox console release date

[Halo 1 AI was... Bad. I once got run over by Sgt. Johnson in a ghost SEVEN times in a row. Also, the marines had a ridiculous habit of firing their guns once every seven seconds. Ammo conservation is one thing, but drunkenness is another. On top of that you couldn't switch weapons with marines which encouraged people to kill them and take that sniper rifle.

Another chap made the point that the marines are support characters and therefore shouldnt be as good or anywhere near as deadly as you, I wouldn't like it for example (using Perfect Dark) if every AI had the abilities of the Perfect Bot and nabbed every kill.

Yep the driving is bad, but I try to not to let them drive although they do go off on a tangent if they get in a ghost. Switiching weapons was introduced on the basis of "we didn't think of that first time around" and is a more evolutionary step

I like the new weapons. They are there to prevent certain armaments becoming too powerful and also to make different games feature a certain kind of combat.
As for your vehicles... The Warthog is the same old same old, fire support weapon wheels which doubles as a transport vehicle. The prowler, in comparison, is the same but with an extra seat which is good for objective games (believe it or not).
The mongoose is an interesting addition, proving that vehicles aren't always the right way (unlike in Halo 1, where the Warthog dominated since the rockets were lamentably slow). How you can think the old ghost was any good is beyond me, and the tank was irritatingly overpowerful.


Weapons, ok new weapons are always good, but further games in a series result in newer weapons etc, most of them are ok and yes correct they benefit different gametypes. In regards to vehicles in Halo CE they were well balanced, yes the tank was a death machine but could be taken down easy if you knew how. The old ghost only seems bad now as the newer versions were faster, spedd boosts and higher rate of fire....

The Warthog only dominated if you let it, a simple sticky grenade or using tactics to get it out in the open usually results in a Warthog being blown to smithereens, its a lot easier to do this in Halo 3 as we now have the Splaser and another sticky grenade type.

IMO the vehicles were balanced, in Halo CE, as near to perfect as possible, I would only add the Mongoose to the list

Also, it's time to adress the health system. In Halo you had health bars. This essentially forced people to scramble for the health packs and promoted a more conservative gameplay, slowing things down. Halo 2 got rid of that, and the pace picked up immediately.

I find this a slightly rash comment, Halo CE had a different health system and was easier to use as you could monitor your health. Guarding health pack areas became an essentail tactic if you were to win games. Halo 2's pace did not pick up due to health packs. Halo 2's pace was different altogether due to several aspects


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The originals are always better than the sequels. It was the first time anyone had played Halo.

But come on. HALO HAS NO MULTIPLAYER.

  • 12.23.2008 5:54 AM PDT
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Im old news

Its all good

  • 12.23.2008 8:07 AM PDT