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Subject: Age Discrimination needs to STOP!

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Posted by: cortana 5
Actually, I'm younger than that. But being here for a while, I've made many friends who will have my back. (Even if Zag can be a little betch at times!)
But it's sooooo frustrating to try to debate/discuss when someone won't listen to me because of my age!
Somebody actually said...

A 15 year-old? Please, don't talk to me. You ignorant little kid.


Is anyone actually reading her post-- Just kidding. :D

Age is never a problem with me. Maturity level is. Cortana5, you're more mature than a ton of people I've seen that are the same age. Or much older. It's all to do with the person, which is why stereotypes just aggravate me. I'm curious to hear from some of the moderators.. I figure most of them ban/warn/delete/demolish users who go around spouting nonsense about how kids under <age> are always immature and loud.

  • 01.03.2008 3:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: cortana 5
Actually, I'm younger than that. But being here for a while, I've made many friends who will have my back. (Even if Zag can be a little betch at times!)
But it's sooooo frustrating to try to debate/discuss when someone won't listen to me because of my age!
Somebody actually said...

A 15 year-old? Please, don't talk to me. You ignorant little kid.


Is anyone actually reading her post-- Just kidding. :D

Age is never a problem with me. Maturity level is. Cortana5, you're more mature than a ton of people I've seen that are the same age. Or much older. It's all to do with the person, which is why stereotypes just aggravate me. I'm curious to hear from some of the moderators.. I figure most of them ban/warn/delete/demolish users who go around spouting nonsense about how kids under <age> are always immature and loud.

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And it would be nice to hear from them. Then maybe we could learn as to what more specific things we could look for when considering reporting a post.

  • 01.03.2008 3:49 PM PDT

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  • 01.03.2008 3:59 PM PDT

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Down with age discrimination! Let any age be able to buy adult movies, let any age be able to drive cars, let any age be able to drink alcohol, let any age be able to play Mature rated games, let any age be able to watch R rated movies, let any age be able to get a job, let any age be able to enlist in the army, let any age be able to do anything! [/SARCASM]

[Edited on 01.03.2008 4:05 PM PST]

  • 01.03.2008 4:05 PM PDT

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no joke all you have to do for those things is go to mexico. The government is so negligent to their people they don't enforce laws. Even the cops take bribe money.

  • 01.03.2008 4:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: SK CRISIS
Down with age discrimination! Let any age be able to buy adult movies, let any age be able to drive cars, let any age be able to drink alcohol, let any age be able to play Mature rated games, let any age be able to watch R rated movies, let any age be able to get a job, let any age be able to enlist in the army, let any age be able to do anything! [/SARCASM]

There's a collosal difference between going:
"I think everyone under 17 is an immature piece of trash."
and going:
"People under 17 aren't allowed into R movies."

There's a distinct difference between rules and opinion. Besides, ESRB is only the buying age, just like R for movies. You can still play/watch them. It's up to the parents to decide if their child is mature enough.

  • 01.03.2008 4:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: SS_Zag1
Posted by: SK CRISIS
Down with age discrimination! Let any age be able to buy adult movies, let any age be able to drive cars, let any age be able to drink alcohol, let any age be able to play Mature rated games, let any age be able to watch R rated movies, let any age be able to get a job, let any age be able to enlist in the army, let any age be able to do anything! [/SARCASM]

There's a collosal difference between going:
"I think everyone under 17 is an immature piece of trash."
and going:
"People under 17 aren't allowed into R movies."

There's a distinct difference between rules and opinion. Besides, ESRB is only the buying age, just like R for movies. You can still play/watch them. It's up to the parents to decide if their child is mature enough.
It seems I was confusing real life society with online community, sorry. Age discrimination in real life is widely accepted, and it's for the good of youth and adults. Here in an online community it's a completely different story. 'Age discrimination' here means those younger than 17 are subject to verbal or rather 'textual' abuse. Since it is different, I'm all for treating 'ageism' as a bannable offense or something similiar here on the forums.

  • 01.03.2008 4:26 PM PDT

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Agism is a bannable offense, CRISIS; it falls under the category of flamming.

  • 01.03.2008 4:31 PM PDT

and i thoguht ageism wasnt a real word i will say alot of those people you say are subject to verbal or "textual" abuse as you so called it have prolly been asking for it i hate to point out (i truly do we all were prolly like this) but younger you are the more you tend to HARASS the older people

harassment is after the point of being informed it is unwanted and continuing anyway

So when your getting blown up at cuz your some annoying 10 year old im just warning you youve asked for it
You were told to stop and you didnt boo who your fault

  • 01.03.2008 4:35 PM PDT

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Indeed the definition of ageism and whether it's partly right or wrong to anyone or everyone is rather difficult to comprehend, at least for myself. Which is why I wont touch this topic no further.

  • 01.03.2008 4:48 PM PDT

For what it's worth, I agree with everyone else. I believe that we all are naturally predisposed to dislike people based on any sort of difference -- I think that it's one of the unfortunate things that we unwittingly agreed to when we signed the paperwork to became human beings.

There are a few technical differences between age discrimination on the internet and in real life, but the point is still the same: discrimination against someone simply because of any sort of difference just shows that a person has no integrity or character.

Age, for instance, is not a valid measure of maturity, but it does sometimes lead to discrimination. It's especially complicated and stupid through the internet -- we really don't have a means of telling how old each other really are, apart from taking each other's word for it. Because we're reliant on words to express ourselves, people who can use words the most eloquently are sometimes considered to be the most mature. That's sometimes incorrect -- it's unwise and wrong to judge people when you've met them face-to-face, but even more so when all you have to base your opinions on is some text on a forum. Hell, most of the people I've met on forums are shocked if I reveal that I'm only 15.

Incidentally, discrimination can work the other way, as well -- if someone is being favored just because they're older or they use words more eloquently, or whatever the case may be, then that's also just not condusive to having good, fun conversations.

The internet may not have a set of rights, but I believe that people should nevertheless be entitled to visit and use it freely, without having to worry about being subjected to serious prejudice and discrimination. I'm thankful that, thus far, I've stumbled on the parts of the internet that agree.

Demerzel out.

[Edited on 01.03.2008 7:08 PM PST]

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  • 01.04.2008 3:23 AM PDT

Here's something to think about.

How can you know a person's age simply from a forum post? You can't. Unless you mean when it's inferred from frivolous thread-making, poor grammar and spelling, immature posts, flames ....etc.

So it's not really possible to have age discrimination, is it?



There's only discrimination against frivolous threads, poor grammar and spelling, immature posts, flaming... etc. See what I mean?

  • 01.04.2008 3:26 AM PDT

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Well, there have been a ridiculous amount of threads recently that were either saying whether or not young kids should be allowed to play, or what the best age is, etc. I would have liked to see them locked earlier, but they did eventually move off the front page and all was well. I'm also sick of people calling others "kids" when they really have no reason to say that nor any evidence to back it up.

  • 01.04.2008 8:33 AM PDT

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Let me add something:
It is in fact illegal to descriminate, kid or not. IT is considered a hate crime, an arrestable offense in the U.S.A. and other countries that have Xbox live. Whether you ment it or not the words left your mouth and into the pesons ear. Any one who does descriminate or lie about people can and hopefully will someday be sued and have a prison sentance.

This is simply wrong.

Mybe then, just maybe people will wisen up and realize how stupid and immature it really is to act in a certain manner offensive to other people.You do realize, that in order to get through your life without offending anyone, that you could never interact with anyone? I am who I am, and I will let my opinions be know should the situation present itself. I'm not going to bite my tongue and cease to express who I am simply because my thoughts and views may offend someone. Saying something that offends someone doesnt automatically make those statements stupid or immature.

You do have the freedom of speach but that doesn't give you the right to hate on someone else because of who they are.
This is bungie.net, you are governed by the CoC and ToU, and Freedom of Speech does not apply.


Posted by: RhythmKiller
Here's something to think about.

How can you know a person's age simply from a forum post? You can't. Unless you mean when it's inferred from frivolous thread-making, poor grammar and spelling, immature posts, flames ....etc.

So it's not really possible to have age discrimination, is it?

Don't bother listening to RhythmKiller. He's from the UK so anything he says isnt really valid!

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  • 01.04.2008 8:43 AM PDT

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Well, there have been a ridiculous amount of threads recently that were either saying whether or not young kids should be allowed to play, or what the best age is, etc. I would have liked to see them locked earlier, but they did eventually move off the front page and all was well. I'm also sick of people calling others "kids" when they really have no reason to say that nor any evidence to back it up.


Or the fact they they too are acting like their idea of a little kid.

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I get confused when people ask for "a new rule." There are general rules of conduct that we all follow, but as far as I know there's no big dry erase board that the ninjas have to peruse everytime there might be a possible infraction to see if a rule has been broken.

If a moderator sees that someone is being belligerant by generalizing or stereotyping, then they will punish the person as they see fit. Why can't we just leave it at that? Why the need for something "official?"


There are already plenty of rules at Bungie.net. Any flaming or discrimination should already be covered by existing rules.

  • 01.04.2008 10:47 AM PDT

I remember when I used this space to put cool looking links to my chapters back in the day. I don't even know why I'm using it now. Why are you even reading this? You must be interested in me. Still reading?

You also have to remember that Bungie.net is "M rated" for ages of 17+. :P

I don't come across many derogatory conversations over their ages but it could be a rule. You would actually be surprised with the age of some B.net members with their levels of maturity. Age Discrimination isn't as bad of a problem as racism and a lot of other isms in the book but we will just have to fix the problem by booting those not mature enough to avoid these types of discussions.

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You also have to remember that Bungie.net is "M rated" for ages of 17+. :P

Unless the ESRB has expanded to include web site rating, I don't think so.

The ESRB is a software industry board that rates games and makes recommendations to retailers as to age guidelines regarding the retail sale of a game. They are not a governmental agency and have no ability to claim any legal authority in regards to their guidelines.

To assume that the logo in the lower right corner of this page is a restriction on those who can use this site.... well, I wouldn't make that assumption. You're welcome to, but I couldn't.
I hate the ESRB. But yet you have to love them. Mainly due to the fact that they are protecting your favorite video game companys from people filing lawsuits or complaints about the game being to violent or other inappropriateness.

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  • 01.04.2008 11:47 AM PDT

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Unless the ESRB has expanded to include web site rating, I don't think so.

The ESRB is a software industry board that rates games and makes recommendations to retailers as to age guidelines regarding the retail sale of a game. They are not a governmental agency and have no ability to claim any legal authority in regards to their guidelines.

To assume that the logo in the lower right corner of this page is a restriction on those who can use this site.... well, I wouldn't make that assumption. You're welcome to, but I couldn't.
It was a joke. Besides, which game is the Content Rating directed torwards? This isn't a strictly Halo forum.

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You also have to remember that Bungie.net is "M rated" for ages of 17+. :P

Unless the ESRB has expanded to include web site rating, I don't think so.

The ESRB is a software industry board that rates games and makes recommendations to retailers as to age guidelines regarding the retail sale of a game. They are not a governmental agency and have no ability to claim any legal authority in regards to their guidelines.

To assume that the logo in the lower right corner of this page is a restriction on those who can use this site.... well, I wouldn't make that assumption. You're welcome to, but I couldn't.
I hate the ESRB. But yet you have to love them. Mainly due to the fact that they are protecting your favorite video game companys from people filing lawsuits or complaints about the game being to violent or other inappropriateness.


Well, another point to add is that when the debate on these forums opens up from time to time about whether or not "kids" should play this game - the word ageism gets used a LOT . People who fall into the category of "minors" think that any restriction placed on them is "ageism" and this of course is not true. I'm not trying to open that debate here - just pointing out that a lot of people don't understand what discrimination is, and also don't understand what "ageism" is. ANyhow, now I forgot the ultimate point I was going to make....oh well. Maybe someone reading this will be able to finish my thought for me. I'm so old my memory is going.

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Posted by: RhythmKiller
Here's something to think about.

How can you know a person's age simply from a forum post? You can't. Unless you mean when it's inferred from frivolous thread-making, poor grammar and spelling, immature posts, flames ....etc.

So it's not really possible to have age discrimination, is it?



There's only discrimination against frivolous threads, poor grammar and spelling, immature posts, flaming... etc. See what I mean?

I don't know if this was a joke or not, but obviously the problem is that people will be supposing that such posts come from younger users, rather than older ones, which is clearly a sort of discrimination.

  • 01.04.2008 1:37 PM PDT

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