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Subject: Give the Army some credit, Bungie!

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Marine this, Marine that, when are we ever going to hear or see of the Army? Oh sure, the Marines go in for amphibious assaults, but who's the clean-up crew for any Marine-caused collateral damage? Who has to jump 10,000 feet from a C-47? Who has to assume the responsibility for occupying a country? I mean, come on, you have to have someone in any of the Halo games who is in the Army. You can't snuff out the Army like that...that's just mean!

  • 01.06.2008 3:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Darth Malvagio
Marine this, Marine that, when are we ever going to hear or see of the Army? Oh sure, the Marines go in for amphibious assaults, but who's the clean-up crew for any Marine-caused collateral damage? Who has to jump 10,000 feet from a C-47? Who has to assume the responsibility for occupying a country? I mean, come on, you have to have someone in any of the Halo games who is in the Army. You can't snuff out the Army like that...that's just mean!
You know, sometimes there are these moments when you have to realize you are being a bit unrealistic. Halo is a FANTASY game. Unless you don't know what that is, it is a game based on events that are amazingly out of this world (literally also). Plus, the Halo forces and Arms is based on the Navy. I know there are games that don't include the Navy but I don't see many people complaining.

  • 01.06.2008 3:56 PM PDT
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They did give credit to the army. In the credits......duh!

  • 01.06.2008 3:59 PM PDT

Hooah

The Marine Corps is used only as a temporary fighting force, until the Army can arrive to relieve the pressure. I know for sure that they go through hell in basic training, and the Corps can produce one helluva soldier, but it takes the Army to fight a war. Sure, if you would translate our current military into that of 500 years later, I guess you could roll with that leniency, but come on. How much different would the guys at Bungie make it? Admiral, Vice-Admiral, Captain, Sergeant Major, Major, Colonel, I mean, that just screams that nothing changed.

Bungie does mention some Army personel, especially in the book series. I finally saw that Colonel Ackerson was a Colonel in the Army. I'll give you some credit for that Bungie.

  • 01.06.2008 4:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
But how would that Army get to another planet?

It's one hell of a march.


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Posted by: Recon Number 54
But how would that Army get to another planet?

It's one hell of a march.


I think we both know the answer to that.

  • 01.06.2008 5:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
But how would that Army get to another planet?

It's one hell of a march.


I think we both know the answer to that.


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You know, as a former Marine, I could easily take offense to this statement. But, I wont. From now on though, know your facts before you make such bold accusations. The "Marines" have never been a "temporary fighting force." I never saw any Army soldiers on the Beaches of Iwo Jima, or any other island in the Pacific.

"Who's the clean-up crew for any Marine-caused collateral damage?" The Marines are generally a "lighter" force when compared to the Army, so they can generally be deployed fast (although the Army has been making great strides in "rapid deployment" in the past few years). For combat operations, the Marines like to be self-sufficient, as much as possible, so they also have their own air power, consisting primarily of fighter and fighter/bomber aircraft and attack helicopters. Even so, when they do need help, the Marines use the Navy for much of their logistical and administrative support. For example: Corpsmen are navy Doctors.

"Who has to jump 10,000 feet from a C-47?" Marine Corps Force Recon maybe? You know the guys who do the Deep Reconnaissance and Behind Enemy Lines missions. Where do you think the SEALs and Rangers get their Intel? Sure, The Marines were originally established to to act as a landing force for the United States Navy, but a lot has changed since 1775. For the Marines and The Army.

Your description of The marines is a grossly misconstrued one at best. And, the fact that you would degrade them to nothing more than "a temporary fill in until the real star player arrives," is at the very least insulting. Bungie may have made a personal decision to make their Future Fighting Force the marines, but at least they didn''t insult our armed forces along the way. Maybe next time you'll show the same bit of respect before you post such things.

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  • 01.07.2008 9:25 AM PDT

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By the time Halo takes place there is no U.S. military. Its one big United Nations/United Earth Government. No more "U.S. Army".

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[Edited on 01.07.2008 9:43 AM PST]

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
But how would that Army get to another planet?

It's one hell of a march.


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A giant sling-shot perhaps? I mean, they must have some prototypes before constructing the one aimed at the sun!

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
If you are speaking of the in-game universe, I don't see how the 4 main branches of the current US armed forces would translate to an Interstellar armed force.

The current equivalent of the Navy would likely make the best transition to an interstellar fleet, with the concepts of ships, battle groups, ship-classes, and the like making an easy translations from ocean-borne to space-borne.

The Air Force would be absorbed or rendered unnecessary at the interstellar level as the Navy would have the equivalent of "air-craft carriers" and fighter-wings. Perhaps each colony system could have a regional base of system/planetary defense fighters (no need for capital ships), but even that would be more of a Coast Guard equivalent.

The Marines (as a ground capable, navally transported fighting force) would be a natural and understandable compliment for the interstellar fleet. Their size and capabilities might need to be expanded include heavy divisions, but if a planet is viewed as an "island" with naval ships blockading and bombarding from space, any troops landing would be a naval assault force... as in Marines.

Sorry, but I would imagine that "in game" the need for an Army is negated by the layout of the galaxy and the larger scope of the other branches.

*Eyes explode into a million pieces* Humanity shouldn't be fighting with its self. How do we expect to survive another hundred years if we all have nukes pointed at each other?

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uote]Posted by: Recon Number 54
No more need for those quaint nation-centric tools. I agree.

That is why I suspect that the Navy/Marines are a the primary arm of the UNSC's military operations.[/quote]but what about the air force?

  • 01.07.2008 9:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
No more need for those quaint nation-centric tools. I agree.

That is why I suspect that the Navy/Marines are a the primary arm of the UNSC's military operations.
but what about the air force?

The Navy is the Air Force in Halo it seems. They fly all the frigates and such in space.

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Recon is right, the translation from navy to interstellar fleet is a much easier one. That, and I think someone in Bungie has read the Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual.


"The United States Colonial Marine Corps is America's interstellar force-in-readiness. This role, distinct from that of the US Army, stems from the country's position as a starfaring, colonising power, and it's leading role within the structure of the United Americas. Though the term 'marine' has it's roots in describing a soldier who fought from ships at sea, in modern era it has become synonymous with those elite forces of soldiers who are always ready to fight, regardless of their nation's readiness for war, and who are capable of operating far from home soil."

  • 01.07.2008 9:59 AM PDT

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The main core in the UNSC is the navy that controls all ground invasions and assaults. Without the navy, there would be no fighting power/stopping power to deal with any threats. It can be more clearly seen that the navy and the airforce has become one, as one depends on the other for support. The marines can still me seen as a separate unit as they are the ground based assault trained to use mobilised equipment such as tanks and battlefield tactics where as the ODST troops are considered like the navy seals and the S.A.S in today's army the elite of the elite.
If you look at today's army,
most Medc's have aircraft carriers to launch aerial attacks in a short period of time but they need the use of the Navy. There's almost a kind of overlap between these two making if difficult to disguinish between them.

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Darth your not seeing this for the most part you are on the front lines not siting around. So you never see ocupying forces. and like everyone else has said the easy'st translation for outer space is, navy. maybe its an insult to you in your eyes. but the army and navy kinda merge in halo as just the marines seeing as how we occupy planets now not just our own little earth and for the most part earth is united. so there is no need to freak out man. only thing i can see remaining is the airforce on technicality they are planet grounded air forces....

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
But how would that Army get to another planet?


quantum tunneling of course.

And I agree with Recon here. It is much easier to translate the ocean-bourne navy into a space fairing navy with marines rather then an army.

also, who has to jump out of a spaceship, go through an atmosphere, land properly, and not get shot down?

The Helljumpers of course. So I think that beats out jumping from a C-47.

[Edited on 01.07.2008 2:08 PM PST]

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Posted by: Darth Malvagio
Oh sure, the Marines go in for amphibious assaults, but who's the clean-up crew for any Marine-caused collateral damage? Who has to jump 10,000 feet from a C-47? Who has to assume the responsibility for occupying a country?

Master Chief, Kelly, Sam and the other Spartans.


Oh, sorry, Helljumpers.

  • 01.07.2008 3:25 PM PDT

Hooah


Posted by: snowmanaxt7
You know, as a former Marine, I could easily take offense to this statement. But, I wont. From now on though, know your facts before you make such bold accusations. The "Marines" have never been a "temporary fighting force." I never saw any Army soldiers on the Beaches of Iwo Jima, or any other island in the Pacific.

"Who's the clean-up crew for any Marine-caused collateral damage?" The Marines are generally a "lighter" force when compared to the Army, so they can generally be deployed fast (although the Army has been making great strides in "rapid deployment" in the past few years). For combat operations, the Marines like to be self-sufficient, as much as possible, so they also have their own air power, consisting primarily of fighter and fighter/bomber aircraft and attack helicopters. Even so, when they do need help, the Marines use the Navy for much of their logistical and administrative support. For example: Corpsmen are navy Doctors.

"Who has to jump 10,000 feet from a C-47?" Marine Corps Force Recon maybe? You know the guys who do the Deep Reconnaissance and Behind Enemy Lines missions. Where do you think the SEALs and Rangers get their Intel? Sure, The Marines were originally established to to act as a landing force for the United States Navy, but a lot has changed since 1775. For the Marines and The Army.

Your description of The marines is a grossly misconstrued one at best. And, the fact that you would degrade them to nothing more than "a temporary fill in until the real star player arrives," is at the very least insulting. Bungie may have made a personal decision to make their Future Fighting Force the marines, but at least they didn''t insult our armed forces along the way. Maybe next time you'll show the same bit of respect before you post such things.

-Semper Fidelis



And as a former Marine I give you credit for enlisting. You braved basic training, battled your drill sergeants, and made it out a proud Marine. Don't get me wrong, The Corps is probably the toughest branch of the military. You guys go through hell just to be considered a marine, let alone the action you guys go through. Forgive anything that I may posted or implied. But when you look at statistics in every single war dating back to 1775, the Army always takes the brunt of the enemy.

The Army may not have been "on the beaches of Iwo Jima, or any other island in the Pacific," but the Marines didn't take close to 100,000 casualties in the Battle of the Bulge. There are plenty of other refernces, but I'm not arguing in that manner. All I'm saying is that the Army isn't given enough credit. Perhaps the way I presented that statement was irritating to a former Marine, but I'm not asserting who the better branch is. I know all branches are dependent upon one another, and I respect all of them. I just wish that everyone else would.

  • 01.07.2008 4:11 PM PDT

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