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lets hope they dont put in an ass-cannon. that would suck! xD

  • 06.11.2004 10:41 PM PDT
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Posted by: notnooborelite
There are some things I don't want to see. Like a sentury gun or a provimity mine. I remember in Perfect Dark they just ruined the game. Someone who sucked could use those to get cheesy kills. And while I think the plasma sword is awesome I'm a little woried it is too powerful. I still like it though.

You have to be a damn good player to use the sword im guessing. you have to get point blank and then hit em without gettin killed

  • 06.11.2004 10:45 PM PDT
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Any gun that isnt in killzone will be fine with me

  • 06.11.2004 10:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: neo une
The flamethrower or fuel-rod gun. They where fine for Halo PC but not for Halo 2.


You haven't even played Halo 2 so you wouldn't know if they would be good or not in the game. Plus, if they do add them to Halo 2, I'm awefully sure they'd change them to be balanced with multiplayer.


Actually the Fuel Rod gun was in halo in the Banshee

  • 06.11.2004 11:08 PM PDT

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I think the assault rifle should be back but a little more powerful than the SMG, but to balance that you couldnt dual wield it so you would have to shoose your AR or SMG wisely

  • 06.11.2004 11:11 PM PDT

[color=white]I don't want to see a shotgun in my face--point that thing somewhere else![/color]

  • 06.11.2004 11:11 PM PDT
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Man the smgs replaced the assult rifle and im glad that thing bugged me

  • 06.11.2004 11:15 PM PDT
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i dont want to see a covenant sniper rifle in campain. the covenant having a 2x zoom weapon is bad enough, i dont want to be running to some cover and then get put down with a plasma slug right between my eyes from an elite chilling out on a ridge in the mountains a half mile away. not cool.

  • 06.11.2004 11:17 PM PDT
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Even now in 2004, there are weapons with a 200 rounds clip. I would love it to have those around!

thats why i liked the Assault Rifle.

but the Battle Rifle will steal my heart.

[Edited on 6/11/2004 11:50:50 PM]

  • 06.11.2004 11:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: manofsteel
Any gun that isnt in killzone will be fine with me


Whats wrong with the arsenal from KZ? It looks badass, but you are right though. The gun design is totally different from that of the Halo weapons design, and so havng anything along the weapon design of Killzone wouldnt fit at all in the Halo universe.

BTW, nobody ask for miniguns. I dont care if the Master Chief is a Spartan able to lift tons, the kickback and muzzle climb from minigun would be to much even for him. Now a machine gun similar to the M60 or 249 SAW would be realistic. Draeden knows what Im talkin about. ; )

  • 06.12.2004 12:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: The Fjonis
Flamethrower in Halo2? Ridiculous. That's just so WW1-ish. I mean, imagine MC going all "yo man, wazzup with you and yo plasma sword? No match for me and me zupa flamethrowa'!" Besides, is MCs armour flammable? I think not.
Fire releases heat, and heat can hurt. It doesn't matter whether the armor's flammable; the burning fuel is, and it's on the armor. There are already known and produced substances that burn hot enough that I wouldn't want it on me, futuristic armor or not. Heat has to go somewhere. What I don't like about the flamethrower is the idea of carrying around a huge tank of such a substance... I don't have a problem with having a flamethrower, but I think it should fit in with the other futuristic guns. It should shoot a more controlled stream in shorter bursts that takes a little while to get burning so you can spray it better. The fuel should also be expanding foam or something so you can have a smaller tank that's not as easy to hit. Another fun fiery weapon might be an incendiary grenade for closing off an area for a few moments.

Posted by: Pelican Echo 419
Even now in 2004, there are weapons with a 200 rounds clip. I would love it to have those around!

thats why i liked the Assault Rifle.

but the Battle Rifle will steal my heart.
I dunno if an ammo drum is still called a clip. If they're small enough, they could be used almost like clips, I guess. It might be neat to have a sniper rifle with a big cylindrical box like that on a machine gun... I don't think it'll be done, though, for the sake of a fun and balanced game.

  • 06.12.2004 1:20 AM PDT
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No, miniguns other than mounted turrets, A handheld minigun would be so unbalanced and stupid looking. Thank god they didn't put one in Halo 1.

Basically if it fits in with the Unreal arsenal it doesn’t fit with Halo.

  • 06.12.2004 2:51 AM PDT
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Posted by: The Wasp
Posted by: manofsteel
Any gun that isnt in killzone will be fine with me


BTW, nobody ask for miniguns. I dont care if the Master Chief is a Spartan able to lift tons, the kickback and muzzle climb from minigun would be to much even for him.


Didn't Jesse Ventura in the Predator carry a minigun?

  • 06.12.2004 2:54 AM PDT

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Noisy cricket. Oh yeah can you imigine a human pistol with the 2x zoom and fires a tank shell. Not cool.

  • 06.12.2004 3:12 AM PDT
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To forumrunner (and anyone else who approves of the idea of having flamethrowers)

The definition of plasma is superheated material in which the protons and electrons are separated. This takes many million degrees - like in the core of the Sun. Now, as someone mentioned, flametrowers usually give temperatures of around degrees Celcius - which is at the most 1/1000 of the temperature of plasma.

In addition, plasma is actually viscous, while the flamethrower burns gas. So, the amount of mass given out pr unit time by the plasma weapon pr unit time would be vastly much greater than that released by the flamethrower, and so would the total energy due to mass.

So in short, it simply wouldn't make sense if a flamethrower could in any way harm a spartan - the fact that his shields can withstand a certain amount of plasma means that they should be able to withstand flamethrower fire for a very long period of time. And as his armour can also cope with a certain amount of plasma even when the shields are down, means that the flamethrower wouldn't be effective even after the shields are gone.

That is, if there's any such thing as logic in this game. I know that Halo is not an entirely realistic universe, but still, such elementary logic as that described above should be taken into consideration in order to maintain a certian credibility.


It can also be argued that ballistic weapons used by the UNSC forces would be no match against plasma fire, as the energy of plasma is so high. This might be true, but at least, for ballistic weapons, you have the element of kinetic energy - the human bullets move at a greater velocity than plasma fire. This argument falls when dealing with plasma fire vs. flamethrowers.

  • 06.12.2004 3:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: The Fjonis
To forumrunner (and anyone else who approves of the idea of having flamethrowers)

The definition of plasma is superheated material in which the protons and electrons are separated. This takes many million degrees - like in the core of the Sun. Now, as someone mentioned, flametrowers usually give temperatures of around degrees Celcius - which is at the most 1/1000 of the temperature of plasma.



I think your thinking superheated plamsa. Plasma is just ionized gas. Like the urore borealis(cant spell hehe).

  • 06.12.2004 3:36 AM PDT
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Check out my list of guns down below for this topic

  • 06.12.2004 3:38 AM PDT
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The definition of plasma is superheated material in which the protons and electrons are separatedblahblahblahblah

Er... The Fjonis... you gotta check your reality at the door when playing any game dude... Last time I checked we also didn't have a intergalactic space marine corps, or anti-gravity technology, or warring alien races, or super soldiers, or... well you get the point. Halo's Universe is far from any semblance of reality... Besides as I've stated before, developers can god damn do whatever the heck they want, and not much can stop them...

For people who are complaining about a flamethrower possibly slipping into Halo 2, you needn't worry about imbalance in the over all game, the flamethrower in Halo 1 (for the PC) didn't affect much of the game at all. It was deadly, but you had to get pretty close to a guy for it to work, it was also very cumbersome, hard to hit with and so on. It's greatest strength lied in flag defense or in cramped maps, little else. So it WAS in a game and DID kill Spartans... so that blows the plasma theory all to heck... no offense The Fjonis.

Back on track: I wouldn't mind seeing the pistol back in the game, BUT if only they tweaked (aka dumbed down) it a bit from Halo 1. The pistol was a BIT too deadly in the right hands...

As for other weapons I don't want to see... any other "insta-kill" weapon similar to the rail gun in Quake 2 and 3. The sniper rifle is simlar but fine as is because of three points: 1.) To preform an insta-kill you need some skill with its use and only on head shots.
2.) Takes two shots normally to down a Spartan.
and finally 3.) The bullet trail left by the sniper rifle reveals the snipers position to anyone who is watching (which I gotta say is ingenious on Bungie's part).

Yea that's about it...

[Edited on 6/12/2004 4:16:25 AM]

  • 06.12.2004 4:10 AM PDT
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Hey ThermalZeal,
is the MA5B in Halo 2? you mentioned how the new one is obviously better. Does anybody else know? because I thought it was being left out.

  • 06.12.2004 6:47 AM PDT
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Posted by: The Fjonis
To forumrunner (and anyone else who approves of the idea of having flamethrowers)

The definition of plasma is superheated material in which the protons and electrons are separated. This takes many million degrees - like in the core of the Sun. Now, as someone mentioned, flametrowers usually give temperatures of around degrees Celcius - which is at the most 1/1000 of the temperature of plasma.

In addition, plasma is actually viscous, while the flamethrower burns gas. So, the amount of mass given out pr unit time by the plasma weapon pr unit time would be vastly much greater than that released by the flamethrower, and so would the total energy due to mass.

So in short, it simply wouldn't make sense if a flamethrower could in any way harm a spartan - the fact that his shields can withstand a certain amount of plasma means that they should be able to withstand flamethrower fire for a very long period of time. And as his armour can also cope with a certain amount of plasma even when the shields are down, means that the flamethrower wouldn't be effective even after the shields are gone.

That is, if there's any such thing as logic in this game. I know that Halo is not an entirely realistic universe, but still, such elementary logic as that described above should be taken into consideration in order to maintain a certian credibility.


It can also be argued that ballistic weapons used by the UNSC forces would be no match against plasma fire, as the energy of plasma is so high. This might be true, but at least, for ballistic weapons, you have the element of kinetic energy - the human bullets move at a greater velocity than plasma fire. This argument falls when dealing with plasma fire vs. flamethrowers.


I agree completely. If Mark V can stand plasma, and fire may damage it but for the Mark VI it may be impervious to fire. As Fjonis said, comon plasma VS fire....... I'd take plasma any day. Anyways why would the UNSC take fire when they could steal plasma technology from the covenant.


[Edited on 6/12/2004 7:03:37 AM]

  • 06.12.2004 7:00 AM PDT
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also m8 remember in iraq the friendly fire "thing" the americans had goin and i there is british soldiers on the game i hope they steer clear of the yanks cause they blow yer headoff also i would like to see a mission on a covenant battle cruiser were u take the ship and take the guns and in the middle of an attack on earth by a whole armada of covenant u get on the battle cruisers main guns and blast the hell out of the rest of the armada

reply if u like this

  • 06.12.2004 7:24 AM PDT
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i don't want to see a srink ray

  • 06.12.2004 7:27 AM PDT
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Look, you fight to win, get a kill any way you can.

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Posted by: manofsteel
Any gun that isnt in killzone will be fine with me


BTW, nobody ask for miniguns. I dont care if the Master Chief is a Spartan able to lift tons, the kickback and muzzle climb from minigun would be to much even for him.


Didn't Jesse Ventura in the Predator carry a minigun?


Lets see, do they use live ammo on movie sets? Go to this link and scroll to the bottom of page. There will be a short paragraph explaining what I tried to explain.

http://world.guns.ru/machine/minigun-e.htm

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