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Subject: Expanded Haloverse

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I wouldn't mind seeing an extension of the haloverse. It's nice getting the whole story to what we already know. However, there could be great issues with this which you have stated but what about other writer's stories conflicting with one another? Or will Bungie scan through those and make changes to the story so they are valid?

  • 01.11.2008 6:08 AM PDT

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Well, that's part of what I'm talking about with greater community building. If conflicting stories were written (which I see as pretty hard, due simply to the fact that you'd have to use existing characters do this, which isn't strictly forbidden, but still pretty much useless, if only because they'd most likely screw with canon) either the two writers would work it out, or another vote would be taken by the community.

That, or Bungie would take away their toys and put them in the naughty corner.

I do see it as really difficult for a conflict to occur when original characters and stories are used, unless someone used someone else's character and changed it so they died or something, in which case the offended deserves a good backhand slap upside the head.

I'm not going to pretend that I'm impartial here, either. I want my fic and characters to be canon as much as the next man. I have only made references to pre-existing characters, and in encounters with original characters, they act as they should (in character) and don't do things that screw up the future so that Earth is saved from the Covenant only to be overrun by a race of radioactive monkey-ferrets.

I'd be really annoyed (that's an understatement, meant to bypass the language filter, by the way) if someone screwed with my story or characters in their own, but I'd be willing to accept references, or forgive if it was an honest mistake or misunderstanding.

What I'm saying is that cooperation is definitely necessary for this idea to not only be even considered by bungie, but for it to work if implemented.

But this is where discussion is necessary. The community needs to get involved if they want this to happen. What changes do you want made? What new rules or regulations should there be?

And Bungie, feel free to add your opinions at any time.

I see now that this topic has been moved. I apologise to whomever had to do it for taking up their precious time. I'm sure they had better things to do.

[Edited on 01.11.2008 7:17 AM PST]

  • 01.11.2008 7:09 AM PDT
Subject: Expanded Haloverse

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Poll: Do you support the idea of an expanded Haloverse?  [closed]
Yes, completely:  60%
(9 Votes)
No, I don't like it:  27%
(4 Votes)
I'm undecided:  7%
(1 Votes)
Explain further:  7%
(1 Votes)
Total Votes: 15

So, what is this expanded Haloverse of which I speak, you may ask?

Put quite simply, it is this:

The concept that, with the agreement of Bungie Staff, any piece of Halo fanfiction (and any characters, ideas, storyline events associated with) are considered canon.

However, that is a very simplistic explanation of the whole idea, which does not take into account any rules and regulations. These are as follows.

1.Rule number one, the most important. Bungie, being the creators of the Halo franchise, have full creative control over the Halo Universe, and so reserve the right to decided what should be canon, and what, once decided, remains canon.

So, even if your idea is voted for by the larger community, Bungie can simply decide it isn’t canon, in accordance with their own desires. No arguing with their decision.

2.Rule number two. Your idea must not conflict with existing canon. No arguments.

3.Rule number three. Any fictions, ideas, character, etc. will not be automatically considered canon. They will be decided upon by community vote. This is merely a precaution, designed to ensure that only those who truly put some effort into it become canon.

That said, sorry to all those who right erotica, because no matter how much effort you put in, I don’t think you’ll get it. Not because your writing is poor, but simply because I don’t think an Arbiter/Keyes pairing (which I have seen) will ever be considered canon, even if it doesn’t directly conflict with the story.

I sincerely would like to see this idea supported and implemented by Bungie, because not only would it help achieve something greater for the Halo story (wouldn’t you like to hear the story of the other Spartan’s or UNSC soldiers? What of the Covenant, the Flood and the Forerunners? The Precursors?), but it could help to build a greater sense of community, simply because the members of Bungie.net would be forced to operate more closely with one another, and would hopefully learn what it is like to do so without arguing unnecessarily.

However, for this idea to be considered and implemented, it must have the support of the community. That said, vote for or against the Expanded Haloverse, and join your voice with mine (sorry, couldn’t help it).

[Posted here because this is where I was told to post it.]

Re-edited because I didn't like the way that some things are worded.

[Edited on 01.11.2008 6:15 PM PST]

  • 01.11.2008 5:48 AM PDT

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Huh, I thought Bungie had total creative control. Oh well. I also meant not that all fiction is considered canon, but that it is handled in the same manner as - I really wish I could point to bzpower for this, but they've been taken out by server problems. Also, do not look up this domain name, as viruses seem to have taken up residence on their server.

Suffice to say that lego has an agreement with the Bionicle community regarding canonocity, which I will endeavour to find further details of.

I would think that Microsoft would allow Bungie to instate this rule if they wished to, if only because it would not be any threat to Microsoft whatsoever.

But I may be wrong on a few points, even all of them. I suppose I'm just trying to do this because it would make the whole thing more fun - Halo to the next level.

  • 01.11.2008 7:24 AM PDT

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Posted by: Fedaykin Guard
The concept that, with the agreement of Bungie Staff, any piece of Halo fanfiction (and any characters, ideas, storyline events associated with) are considered canon.


God in heaven, no.

  • 01.11.2008 8:09 AM PDT

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Posted by: Shishka
Posted by: Fedaykin Guard
The concept that, with the agreement of Bungie Staff, any piece of Halo fanfiction (and any characters, ideas, storyline events associated with) are considered canon.


God in heaven, no.


I did mean within certain tolerances, as I wasn't quite awake enough to come up with all the rules last night. However, since you are a member of the Bungie team, then this must be a final decision. I am willing to accept that.

Also, just out of interest, who is this Skip Weasel of whom you speak?

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Posted by: Fedaykin Guard
Posted by: Shishka
God in heaven, no.


I did mean within certain tolerances, as I wasn't quite awake enough to come up with all the rules last night. However, since you are a member of the Bungie team, then this must be a final decision. I am willing to accept that.

He's a former member of the team, so he doesn't have as much say as someone who is actually on the Bungie team. But I wouldn't doubt that the idea would be shot down just the same if it was an actual employee.

  • 01.11.2008 6:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Recon Number 54
Most importantly, the Halo universe is no longer Bungie's. They are (I believe) considered "creative consultants" but the Halo Intellectual Property is now owned by Microsoft Game Studios. And if that body wants to handle the "this is canon, this is not" furball? They are the only ones who can.

Slightly off topic: I hope they handle the whole storyline thing with the utmost sensitivity. I would hate to see such an excellent "universe" ruined by greed (making a game simply to make money, etc.)

  • 01.13.2008 7:21 PM PDT

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Oh. I've usually have little time for this, due to school, which is now over. So, basically, the only employee I know who's always been here (in the time I have) is Frankie. God that guy is funny.

But, now I'm going to Uni, so... yeah, might not be around too much either. But, hey, maybe one day I will submit my writing. I'd actually like to have been a writer for game stories and stuff - in fact, that's what my Uni course is all about. And I am already a proficient writer, or so I'm told.

So, when it's all done, who knows? I'll probably come all the way from Australia just to say hi for a day or two. I've always wanted to see the kind of environment you guys work in, it must be great.

Apart from the lack of fresh air and stuff, but I meant great people.

  • 01.13.2008 9:26 PM PDT

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hmmm

It would seem that a decent compromise here would be to suggest that there be a community (and Bungie staff) panel that would review the material in question, then determine whether it would be fit to send to a publisher, where it could be revised, proofread, and otherwise touched up before becoming actual Halo canon.

Though Microsoft is the official owner of the Halo IP, and therefore they would have some kind of say, it seems reasonable to suggest that Bungie has a major, ah, influence, as to what goes into the Halo universe, so if they wish to see community material, then so be it.

  • 01.13.2008 10:56 PM PDT