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Subject: Say YES or NO to MA5B Assault Rifle RETURNING in Halo 2
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Come on people! The AR is the classic weapon for Halo. We honed our skills over and over with it. It's a BAD ASS weapon we cannot forget, Bungie!!

Think about it. The SMGs cannot replace it because using one SMG on its own isnt powerful enough. Yes, you can use 2 SMGs by duel weilding, but guess what, that takes away your use of throwing grenades. I used to love jumping in the faces of 3 Elites with a badass UNMC machine gun, popin' grenades like it ain't no thang! The SMGs look cool, but in the end I feel that they will be too weak to use throughout the game in the longrun, and I don't want to be forced to use PLASMA weapons all the time. I love them but sometimes they are too non-realistic for me.
The BR is a nice change and I cant wait to use it, but its got too much of a single shot firing effect to it. (even ghough its got the 3 shot burst when not using the scope). It feels too "Rainbow Six 3 " to me. We might be sick of the AR now because we've been playing Halo for 2 years over and over and we want something new. But believe me, without it,Halo 2 will feel like something is missing and this is something people haven't realised yet.

Answer me this. How can we go through a whole war on the Halo ring where the Marines are all sportin' the AR and we use it for 60 to 70% of the game, then drop down to Earth where the war against the covenent continues and the AR is nowhere to be seen? Just like that the Assault Rifle is just gone. It needs to be in there, period.

It should be a badass weapon you cannot duel wield. Its more powerful than the SMG on its own, but 2 SMGs is more powerful than the AR. So you'd have to be careful what to choose and be aware of what your opponent is using. Bungie should take notes on this if they havent already and take it in consideration because it just wouldnt be Halo without the AR. EVERYBODY, tell me what you think, and be smart about your answers. This is the CLASSIC Halo weapon we're talking about and imagine how good it would look in Halo 2. The feel of it would be better, the look of it and the sound, sweet.

If the AR is left out, my Halo friends, we will miss it like crazy by the 5th level, believe me.

  • 06.12.2004 7:36 AM PDT
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You are wholey aware that the SMG IS the Assault Rifle, with a different skin and different sound effects. No one actually uses the Assault Rifle anyway, but the battle rifle will be with me as long as possible.

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  • 06.12.2004 7:37 AM PDT
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I love the Assualt Rifle. But once the game comes out and I can use the smg (and dual-wield it) I really dont think I will miss the Assualt Rifle that much.

  • 06.12.2004 7:38 AM PDT
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The assualt rifle is obsolete

  • 06.12.2004 7:40 AM PDT
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Posted by: Oppiten
You are wholey aware that the SMG IS the Assault Rifle, with a different skin and different sound effects. No one actually uses the Assault Rifle anyway, but the battle rifle will be with me as long as possible.
Actually its not. The smg is faster and less accurate than the Assualt Rifle. And what are you talking about? I plus thousands of other people always use the Assualt Rifle. Thats usually the primary weapon I use.

  • 06.12.2004 7:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: Oppiten
You are wholey aware that the SMG IS the Assault Rifle, with a different skin and different sound effects. No one actually uses the Assault Rifle anyway, but the battle rifle will be with me as long as possible.
Actually its not. The smg is faster and less accurate than the Assualt Rifle. And what are you talking about? I plus thousands of other people always use the Assualt Rifle. Thats usually the primary weapon I use.

Of course you know all of those things because you have played Halo 2. Anyway, the Assault Rifle is terrible, and the SMG has the same reticule for christ's sake. The SMG has the same amount of Ammo and is just as accurate from what I have seen. Unless you are playing Halo on Heroic or less, the AR is terrible.

  • 06.12.2004 7:42 AM PDT
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I want the MA5B to come back if in multiplayer only if it must be so. I want to continue killing my brother with his least favorite gun because it makes him really mad. (ha) I'd also like to test the power of the MA5B against the battle rifle and see which would win.

  • 06.12.2004 7:47 AM PDT
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It has been confirmed that the SMG will be less powerful than the AR was. But with 2 of them they will be more powerful. On Heroic the AR doen't hold up that well in alot of situations, leaving you to use the grenades alot more for sure. But duel wielding 2 SMGs in Heroic and espectially on Legendary, it will be alot of fun because they will be pretty powerful indeed and we will be able to get out of tight situations (it will still be hard though, but that's a balancing issue between the difficulty levels for bungie to work out). Using just one SMG just isn't "tough" enough for the master chief. Why else would we be allowed to duel wield two of them ? It's obvious that its not THAT powerful on its own. There's no way we would be able to use 2 Assault rifles at once, Bungie wouldnt let it happen, they'd be too powerful. We need a machine gun as powerful enough to use on its own like the Assault Rifle in Halo 1I cant believe people havent figured it out yet.

  • 06.12.2004 8:00 AM PDT
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I use the AR most of the time but the only thing ill miss is the ammo display that was cool.

  • 06.12.2004 8:14 AM PDT
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but the only thing ill miss is the ammo display that was cool.

and it's tiny compass!

  • 06.12.2004 8:17 AM PDT
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Asolutely NO. The Halo 1 AR was a horrible gun even Bungie dissed on that gun in their own MP walkthrough! They said how some would use a empty pistol to melee with over a AR and I would agree. The Battle Rifle is so much better anyways it has a scope it has more power (the AR fired 7.62 mm rounds but the BR fires 9.5 mm rounds) it fires in bursts (which is really the only way to use the Halo 1 AR effectivley). The SMG is much better than the AR but has less range it has unhuman rate of fire and Subnova even compared it to a flamethrower (rips things to pieces up close but cant be counted on at a distance) so is there any need for the AR?

  • 06.12.2004 8:35 AM PDT
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Some people... they go, "I can't win with this, so it must be gimped. It can't possibly be my total lack of skills". I think they should increase the assault rifle's damage a little and make the SMG fire 25 rps.

  • 06.12.2004 8:51 AM PDT
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The Assault rifle I rarely use. It's great against Grunts and Jackals but against Elites, you can fire full automatic at point blank and all you'll do by the time you're done knock down his shields. Since the rifle only can hold about ten clips that's not a good thing.

The assault rifle is great against unshielded targets but the pistol was so much better.

Given that, I don't really see a reason for it to return unless it is severely modified.

  • 06.12.2004 8:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: Commander Andy
Some people... they go, "I can't win with this, so it must be gimped. It can't possibly be my total lack of skills". I think they should increase the assault rifle's damage a little and make the SMG fire 25 rps.


Bungie in there own fricken walkthrough dissed on the gun (they made the game!) so blaming it on lack of skill lacks foundation. Lets face facts ppl in close range combat the shottie pwns the AR at mid range the Pistol pwns the AR heck I'd even take a pistol at short range over a AR how can a AR compare to a gun that kills in three or four shots like the pistol simple answer it cant! thats why the Battle Rifle was made (why would bungie change something that was good?) it has a balance between short rang and mid range that will make the gun a very reliable friend indeed

  • 06.12.2004 9:02 AM PDT
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of course I want the MA5B assault rifle returning in Halo 2 that weapon is simbolic in halo 2 I don´t if it is a crapy weapon its just cool automatic fire of course its also cool the single shots on the battle rifle but sometimes the AR is just so cool

  • 06.12.2004 9:26 AM PDT
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AR is a good weapon repeat good so shut up!

  • 06.12.2004 9:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Oppiten
Actually its not. The smg is faster and less accurate than the Assualt Rifle. And what are you talking about? I plus thousands of other people always use the Assualt Rifle. Thats usually the primary weapon I use.


Yes, this is true (1st line), but it is very hard for me to believe that anything could be less acurate than the AR. That is why I could do without it. I would still prefer it to hand-to-hand combat, but only if there is no other option.

  • 06.12.2004 10:39 AM PDT

Play as a team win as a team or die as a team!


Yes we need it back!!!

  • 06.12.2004 10:40 AM PDT
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I wouldnt mind it back, though im sure that it would fit into halo 2.

  • 06.12.2004 10:44 AM PDT
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Get me in a small room with the MA5B and i will rock your socks.

  • 06.12.2004 10:47 AM PDT
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i think it should return purely on its symbolic reasons. everyone knows the AR from halo. personally the battle rifle (unless a cooler new weapon pops along) will be my new best friend.

  • 06.12.2004 10:47 AM PDT

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The Ar should be back but a little more powerful than the SMG simply coz you cannot dual wield it

  • 06.12.2004 11:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Final Spartan
but the only thing ill miss is the ammo display that was cool.

and it's tiny compass!

Those are the only good things about the AR. I'll miss using it, for a moment, but then I'll see all the marines using BRs and not getting slaughtered. Then I will enjoy the change.
The SMG and BR are good replacements. They will actually be useful.

  • 06.12.2004 11:13 AM PDT
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The only thing the AR was good for was clearing out hordes of flood bugs.

  • 06.12.2004 11:35 AM PDT
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Dude, the SMG is the exact same thing as the AR, except it's more powerful and it's one-handed, so you can dual-wield it. The original AR sucked anyway.

  • 06.12.2004 11:37 AM PDT

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