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Subject: Say YES or NO to MA5B Assault Rifle RETURNING in Halo 2
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I think they should have all the weapons from Halo, plus all the new weapons, just so we can compare them and strategize more.

  • 06.12.2004 11:41 AM PDT
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The thing with AR that was so great was that the melee was very fast. I could get in two good melee strike where I could only get one with the pistol. Since there is a similar size between the SMG and the pistol, I can't help but assume the SMG is gonna have the same melee rate, which would suck. Hopefully, they'll have some other firearm in the game with a super fast melee. Also, my fondest memories of the original halo was circle-strafing around a jackal's sheild and open up right in it's -blam-ed up face. You can prolly figure out what goes in that blank.

  • 06.12.2004 11:41 AM PDT
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No AR would be good. I'm good w/o automatics. It wastes bullets neway. I want 2 try out the Battle Rifle. That looks kik ass. One weapon that needs to come back: the Human Pistol. That weapon i love.

  • 06.12.2004 12:10 PM PDT
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i think you should be able to shoot single shots unzoomed with the BR. BR has 2 bullet indicator lines, whilst the AR has 3 indicator lines.

  • 06.12.2004 12:22 PM PDT

from the looks of things, one smg is basically just as powerful as one AR. shooting 2 at the same time would be much more powerful than the AR. the guys at bungie said that they want dual welding to be an advantage, but not an overly unbalanced advantage. i would assume that in any head-on attack, a person dual weilding would always have the advantage. therefore, i think it would be a waste of space to have the original AR back since the smg is equal by itself and better when dual weilded.

  • 06.12.2004 12:40 PM PDT
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Dude the MA5B sux id rather have two SMG, And its the worst gun for multiplayer because everytime someone uses it their considered noobs and its just week as hell

  • 06.12.2004 1:12 PM PDT
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I would say yes but theres too many new weapons coming out that it would just suck real bad. I mean battle rifle,smg,they make the ma5b assault rifle a unwanted weapon like the stupid alien pistle that i hate so much

  • 06.12.2004 1:30 PM PDT
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NO. they replaced it with 2 weaopns the smg is almost exactly like it

  • 06.12.2004 1:32 PM PDT
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I say aye!

The MA5B is a dear old friend. Besides, with a few "nuances" *hint hint* such as a grenade launcher to replace the flashlight or some improvements in accuracy or damage, the MA5B would be a solid contender against these new-fangled SMGs.

Bungie, don't be playa' hata's

  • 06.12.2004 1:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: manofsteel
Dude the MA5B sux id rather have two SMG, And its the worst gun for multiplayer because everytime someone uses it their considered noobs and its just week as hell

Wow, you can't speak.

  • 06.12.2004 1:56 PM PDT
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Eather I cant speek, or your in spiecial ED. It made perfict sence to me so im guessin your in spiecial ED.

  • 06.12.2004 2:05 PM PDT
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Posted by: manofsteel
Eather I cant speek, or your in spiecial ED. It made perfict sence to me so im guessin your in spiecial ED.

Gratias. Thanks for the info.

  • 06.12.2004 2:07 PM PDT
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No prob

  • 06.12.2004 2:09 PM PDT
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No to the MA5B's return. It has been replaced by better weapons. It would be redundant, and it would only dilute the available pool of weaponry.

  • 06.12.2004 2:20 PM PDT
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Yes, they should bring it back, not only because it is a classic weapon but because it might add more diversity to the selection of weapons that we can choose from.

  • 06.12.2004 2:25 PM PDT
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About the New Mombasa Battle Rifle production problem theory. There's really no reason why they couldn't produce it there. Africa is not necessarily going to be poor in Halo 2. Remember one world government so the economical status of different cities even on different continents should not vary too much. Each city/territory probably just has remnants of it's country's native culture and religions but otherwise is consistent with the rest of the world. So as far as the story line is concerned it could be very possible. Besides keep in mind people it is a game and introducing new weapons cant always line up with the story line for obvious reasons.

Anyway I for one don't think the assault rifle should be in Halo 2 because to be honest I never ever use it. Well, except for flood popcorn guys (by the way if anybody knows the official name for those things, please tell me), to light up a cammo-ed enemy, or to go invisible faster after just picking up cammo. I never ever use it as an offensive weapon either against covenant or multiplayer Spartans and quite frankly I despise players who use it. I consider it disrespectful. Between pistol and assault rifle I always prefer pistol 10 to 1 even at close range. There are a lot of weapons that are better than pistol at close range but between pistol and assault rifle I will always opt for pistol. A lot of newbies automatically think it's better than the pistol just because its bigger. This bigger is better mentality is foolish because it's not about how big the weapon is it's more about your ability to use it and the assault rifle doesn't really have a very large margin of difference in talent. For example with a sniper rifle there is a vast difference in players abilities, also with the pistol and even the rocket launcher requires more talent (at least to use it effectively) than the assault rifle. See with the rocket launcher you have to develop a sense of relativity and be able to compensate for the delay when timing and placing your rockets especially against a vehicle which only comes with experience. However with the assault rifle there is really no difference between a newbie and a seasoned veteran using it.

However I don't believe the pistol or assault rifle will be in Halo 2 merely because of the need to maintain a sense of balance. Another instance in which more is not necessarily better. See I believe that the default weapons in Halo 2 will be the Battle Rifle and an SMG. The only statement in any way claiming that all Halo: Combat Evolved weapons will be in Halo 2 that I know of at least was the UGO Halo 2 preview article that simply stated, "Of course, there are many more [weapons] that have yet to be revealed, but the old standards are sure to be there as well." However in the E3 2004 Weekly Update Special Frankie stated, "And speaking of the battle rifle, people seemed to enjoy its intricacies. When in normal mode, it fires short bursts of fire, but zoomed, it fires single rounds, reminiscent of the pistol." Which leads me to believe that the pistol will not be in Halo 2, but who knows. Bungie has just sort of avoided clarifying either way. If anyone has any other form of proof that all old weapons will be included please post or email me. My email: [email]abijah@webdesignartist.net[/email]

I think you all have grown fond off the assault rifle merely because it epitomizes Halo. When people think Halo they envision a screenshot of a warthog being chased down by a banshee with a marine in the gunner on the actual level Halo. Virtually every screenshot Bungie has ever released with the MC in it has him holding an assault rifle. Even on the cover of the cd case. You never once see him with a pistol. As well as all the cut scenes in the game have him carrying an assault rifle, but regardless even I hate to loose a weapon. I have a soft spot in my heart for all of them, but I believe after a while we will learn to embrace the battle rifle as we did the pistol because I have a feeling it is the weapon that will be there for you through the good times and the bad in the same way that the pistol was so reliable in Halo: Combat Evolved. I don't know about you but if I don't have the pistol as one of my two weapons all the time I felt like I have my pants down or something. I never ever trade it off. Especially in multiplayer. The pistol always accompanies a more specialized weapon. For example pistol with plasma pistol. The plasma pistol to take down shields and the pistol for head shots.

Anyway I am really looking forward to the Battle Rifle. I really think the three shot bursts it deals zoomed out and single slugs at 2x is absolutely genius. Kudos to Bungie on that one. As far as wimpy? No, but I do believe it will be slightly weaker than the pistol of Halo: Combat Evolved. Once again leading to a greater balance. Many people, I for one, believe that the pistol is almost too powerful in the right hands, but that is the beauty of it: its only powerful if you have, “the right hands.” : ) Anyway I am sure I will be happy with the game no matter what they decide because they're Bungie and I'm sure they will make the right decision.

  • 06.12.2004 4:44 PM PDT
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no

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I can defeat any pistol by using a assault rifle.

  • 06.12.2004 5:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: MuellersDeath
Get me in a small room with the MA5B and i will rock your socks.


It will have to be a small room, because if it was any bigger, u will be missing, because it is so unaccurate, u will only 'rock our socks' in a SMALL room, becaus that is the only way u can actually kill sum1 with it, the AR is ok, but i try to use it as least as possible!

  • 06.12.2004 5:12 PM PDT
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i LOVE the assault rifle. its one of the only guns i use, unless theres a rocket launcher around. but the thing is, i cant use it for multiplayer cuz of the darn pistol people shooting me from half way across the field.

i would like for the AR to return, but i think that somewhere between the time of me duel weilding, boarding, blowing up vehicles/enviornments, being an elite, boosting, and whoopin some butt with the energy sword, it'll slip my mind.
what im sayin is that the first thing i do when i hit that power button while halo 2 is inwont be complain about the diffrent feeling because a gun isnt in there.

  • 06.12.2004 5:20 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dont trip mane
Come on people! The AR is the classic weapon for Halo. We honed our skills over and over with it. It's a BAD ASS weapon we cannot forget, Bungie!!


No, the Pistol is the classic weapon for Halo. The AR is a freaking airsoft gun, it sucks. And bad ass? Give me a break, I'd say a pistol bigger than a desert eagle, with a scope, that fires exploding rounds, with japanese characters on it, is ALOT cooler than an electric airsoft gun with a useless compass.

  • 06.12.2004 5:26 PM PDT
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The only thing i'll miss is the ever-useful compass. The AR sucks 90% of the time on popular maps.

Although i hope that all of the old weapons make it. I'd hate to see half the mascot of Halo disappear.

[Edited on 6/12/2004 6:03:44 PM]

  • 06.12.2004 5:59 PM PDT
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All you guys think the AR is good when your beating up on your little brother but if you try that crap on Xbconnect you will be slaughtered (infact me and another dude commented on how you could tell if there was a n00b in the room if they used an AR and we laughed about it and then took them on 5 vs 2 and we still won). The only way to use the AR effectively is if you fire burst fire at close range and then the closer you got then you let the hammer down. Why would any of you reasonably want the AR back? The Battle Rifle is much more versatile and deadly and the SMG justs spits out massive ammounts of damage upclose (120 rounds in like 5 secs while dual weilding) and satisfies the Rambo in all of us. Why cant you people accept that the AR and the Pistol have been updated? the Assault Rifle is now the Battle Rifle and the Pistol is now a Magnum Pistol that is more powerful but made more balanced heck even First Strike they said that the AR was replaced by a BR which makes up for lack of rounds and ROF for more power and accuracy and Frankie said the BR will be your new best friend. And the whole issue of "they couldn't just replace a whole gun in a few months" what about the Covenant? In that same time they add new boost technology to their banshees and ghosts add two new weapons and add a whole new fricking race to thier empire how realistic is that? Let's face facts its not it's a VIDEO GAME if everything was the same as last time would you want to play it as badly? Also remeber Earth is on the line here ofcourse they would get the improved weaponry to the troops

[Edited on 6/12/2004 6:07:04 PM]

  • 06.12.2004 6:05 PM PDT
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i love the assault rifle. hook me up with a PR and AR and i will -blam!- u 100% of the time

  • 06.12.2004 6:14 PM PDT

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