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Subject: Say YES or NO to MA5B Assault Rifle RETURNING in Halo 2
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Posted by: Oppiten
No one actually uses the Assault Rifle anyway.


dude speak for yourself I use it all the time, I like the AR

  • 06.13.2004 7:18 AM PDT

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The one thing I use the AR for is suppression. It's so inaccurate that it's good at suppression. But the AR is also good (in my opinion) for snipers. It pulls them out of zoom. And one more thind that I love about the AR is the armor peircing bullets. I've killed Elites (with their shields down, of course) while killing Grunts with those bullets. I personnally don't care if it's in or not. But it does have it's ups and downs, as said above.

  • 06.13.2004 7:25 AM PDT
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Posted by: MuellersDeath
Get me in a small room with the MA5B and i will rock your socks.


I hear ya man, i totally do!

  • 06.13.2004 8:59 AM PDT
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Posted by: AbijahManiaco
About the New Mombasa Battle Rifle production problem theory. There's really no reason why they couldn't produce it there. Africa is not necessarily going to be poor in Halo 2. Remember one world government so the economical status of different cities even on different continents should not vary too much. Each city/territory probably just has remnants of it's country's native culture and religions but otherwise is consistent with the rest of the world. So as far as the story line is concerned it could be very possible. Besides keep in mind people it is a game and introducing new weapons cant always line up with the story line for obvious reasons.

Anyway I for one don't think the assault rifle should be in Halo 2 because to be honest I never ever use it. Well, except for flood popcorn guys (by the way if anybody knows the official name for those things, please tell me), to light up a cammo-ed enemy, or to go invisible faster after just picking up cammo. I never ever use it as an offensive weapon either against covenant or multiplayer Spartans and quite frankly I despise players who use it. I consider it disrespectful. Between pistol and assault rifle I always prefer pistol 10 to 1 even at close range. There are a lot of weapons that are better than pistol at close range but between pistol and assault rifle I will always opt for pistol. A lot of newbies automatically think it's better than the pistol just because its bigger. This bigger is better mentality is foolish because it's not about how big the weapon is it's more about your ability to use it and the assault rifle doesn't really have a very large margin of difference in talent. For example with a sniper rifle there is a vast difference in players abilities, also with the pistol and even the rocket launcher requires more talent (at least to use it effectively) than the assault rifle. See with the rocket launcher you have to develop a sense of relativity and be able to compensate for the delay when timing and placing your rockets especially against a vehicle which only comes with experience. However with the assault rifle there is really no difference between a newbie and a seasoned veteran using it.

However I don't believe the pistol or assault rifle will be in Halo 2 merely because of the need to maintain a sense of balance. Another instance in which more is not necessarily better. See I believe that the default weapons in Halo 2 will be the Battle Rifle and an SMG. The only statement in any way claiming that all Halo: Combat Evolved weapons will be in Halo 2 that I know of at least was the UGO Halo 2 preview article that simply stated, "Of course, there are many more [weapons] that have yet to be revealed, but the old standards are sure to be there as well." However in the E3 2004 Weekly Update Special Frankie stated, "And speaking of the battle rifle, people seemed to enjoy its intricacies. When in normal mode, it fires short bursts of fire, but zoomed, it fires single rounds, reminiscent of the pistol." Which leads me to believe that the pistol will not be in Halo 2, but who knows. Bungie has just sort of avoided clarifying either way. If anyone has any other form of proof that all old weapons will be included please post or email me. My email: [email]abijah@webdesignartist.net[/email]

I think you all have grown fond off the assault rifle merely because it epitomizes Halo. When people think Halo they envision a screenshot of a warthog being chased down by a banshee with a marine in the gunner on the actual level Halo. Virtually every screenshot Bungie has ever released with the MC in it has him holding an assault rifle. Even on the cover of the cd case. You never once see him with a pistol. As well as all the cut scenes in the game have him carrying an assault rifle, but regardless even I hate to loose a weapon. I have a soft spot in my heart for all of them, but I believe after a while we will learn to embrace the battle rifle as we did the pistol because I have a feeling it is the weapon that will be there for you through the good times and the bad in the same way that the pistol was so reliable in Halo: Combat Evolved. I don't know about you but if I don't have the pistol as one of my two weapons all the time I felt like I have my pants down or something. I never ever trade it off. Especially in multiplayer. The pistol always accompanies a more specialized weapon. For example pistol with plasma pistol. The plasma pistol to take down shields and the pistol for head shots.

Anyway I am really looking forward to the Battle Rifle. I really think the three shot bursts it deals zoomed out and single slugs at 2x is absolutely genius. Kudos to Bungie on that one. As far as wimpy? No, but I do believe it will be slightly weaker than the pistol of Halo: Combat Evolved. Once again leading to a greater balance. Many people, I for one, believe that the pistol is almost too powerful in the right hands, but that is the beauty of it: its only powerful if you have, “the right hands.” : ) Anyway I am sure I will be happy with the game no matter what they decide because they're Bungie and I'm sure they will make the right decision.


Their proper name is Flood Infection Form. Thats what they do.

  • 06.13.2004 9:07 AM PDT
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Heck, I wouldn't care if the MA5B came back for multi only. I wanna compare it to the battle rifle dangit!

Also, people who say the MA5B sucks. Most of you say you hardly ever use it. Guess why it sucks when you do use it then. To get good at the MA5B you have to want to become good with it. Using it every now and again isn't going to raise your skill with it. If you really want to raise some skill with it, play 343 guilty spark. The MA5B works great against every enemy in that lvl.

  • 06.13.2004 9:21 AM PDT
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i loved the assault rifles look, but you cant dual wield it. MAKE WAY FOR THE SMG!

  • 06.13.2004 9:24 AM PDT
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All you guys think the AR is good when your beating up on your little brother but if you try that crap on Xbconnect you will be slaughtered (infact me and another dude commented on how you could tell if there was a n00b in the room if they used an AR and we laughed about it and then took them on 5 vs 2 and we still won). The only way to use the AR effectively is if you fire burst fire at close range and then the closer you got then you let the hammer down. Why would any of you reasonably want the AR back? The Battle Rifle is much more versatile and deadly and the SMG justs spits out massive ammounts of damage upclose (120 rounds in like 5 secs while dual weilding) and satisfies the Rambo in all of us. Why cant you people accept that the AR and the Pistol have been updated? the Assault Rifle is now the Battle Rifle and the Pistol is now a Magnum Pistol that is more powerful but made more balanced heck even First Strike they said that the AR was replaced by a BR which makes up for lack of rounds and ROF for more power and accuracy and Frankie said the BR will be your new best friend. And the whole issue of "they couldn't just replace a whole gun in a few months" what about the Covenant? In that same time they add new boost technology to their banshees and ghosts add two new weapons and add a whole new fricking race to thier empire how realistic is that? Let's face facts its not it's a VIDEO GAME if everything was the same as last time would you want to play it as badly? Also remeber Earth is on the line here ofcourse they would get the improved weaponry to the troops

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  • 06.13.2004 10:22 AM PDT
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Their proper name is Flood Infection Form. Thats what they do.

Oh thank you so much. My life is complete now. *Kills himself*

  • 06.13.2004 10:35 AM PDT
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Also i is true that they could replace the AR with the BR in a month but what would they do with the others just throught them away?Also why would u want to replace every AR with the BR that would make for a unbalanced army they need both the BR and AR in the UNSC!!!!! and we need the AR in the game and i still think its going to be in there!!!

  • 06.13.2004 9:28 PM PDT
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thats what the SMG is for it has an extendable stalk so it can be used with more acuracy when not duel wielding, it is (supposedly) cappable of the same damage and ROF so give it up..

  • 06.13.2004 9:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Bmasterlord
Also i is true that they could replace the AR with the BR in a month but what would they do with the others just throught them away?Also why would u want to replace every AR with the BR that would make for a unbalanced army they need both the BR and AR in the UNSC!!!!! and we need the AR in the game and i still think its going to be in there!!!

no they would melt down the ARs to make BRs and SMGs to replace the ARs and increase fire power.

  • 06.13.2004 9:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: Zamamee
what about if you just saw marines using them now and then in campaign? would you guys be ok with that and the only way to use it is if that marine dies? its quite realistic too as they can rearm the entire UNSC forces with battle rifles in such a small time


Its also unlikely the covenant would have added three new guns to thier arsenal, a whole new freaking race and new vehicles and enhancements for their existing vehicles (the ghost and banshee) therefore its much more plausible to replace a inferior weapon (compared to the battle rifle) with a enhanced weapon when earth is on the line

  • 06.13.2004 10:11 PM PDT
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the technical name for popcorn flood is infection forms. the exploding ones are carrier forms and the fighting ones are combat forms. i got all this from the strategy guide.

o sry for the repeat post AbijahManiaco i didnt c that there

[Edited on 6/14/2004 4:18:28 PM]

  • 06.14.2004 4:16 PM PDT
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I think it should come back just so the people who like using it can still use it, but I want the option of using it or the battel rifle. I like the AR, but compared to the versatility of the BR, I want the option to use either of them. The only gun I dont want in the new game is the pistol, because the real wars arent fought with pistols. Pistols are used for close combat, or indoor shoot-outs, which at that point its better to use an SMG for its rapid fire and larger capacity

  • 06.14.2004 4:37 PM PDT
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Duel wielding SMG's, or a battle rifle will replace it, for me anyway.

  • 06.14.2004 4:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: Oppiten
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Posted by: Oppiten
You are wholey aware that the SMG IS the Assault Rifle, with a different skin and different sound effects. No one actually uses the Assault Rifle anyway, but the battle rifle will be with me as long as possible.
Actually its not. The smg is faster and less accurate than the Assualt Rifle. And what are you talking about? I plus thousands of other people always use the Assualt Rifle. Thats usually the primary weapon I use.

Of course you know all of those things because you have played Halo 2. Anyway, the Assault Rifle is terrible, and the SMG has the same reticule for christ's sake. The SMG has the same amount of Ammo and is just as accurate from what I have seen. Unless you are playing Halo on Heroic or less, the AR is terrible.



YOU PLAYED HALO 2 TELL ME ALL

  • 06.14.2004 4:54 PM PDT
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MA5B is replaced by a newer better version the Battle Rifle is a enhancement why cant you people understand that?

  • 06.14.2004 7:11 PM PDT
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It would be like the US army using old WWII guns like the Thompson cause its reliable or that its symbolic or that they like em better see that would make no sense so why would you use a AR when the newer improved Battle Rifle came out?

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  • 06.14.2004 7:13 PM PDT
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I think they should keep the weapons, The assault rifle is like the logo for the game you can't just take it away.

  • 06.14.2004 8:23 PM PDT
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The assault rifle is a classic and should not be treked or moded. I never used it much but it was fun to use in situations like right ater you blew away a eliets shields

  • 06.14.2004 8:50 PM PDT
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personally i would like to see the AR returning in Halo2 BUT...... i would like to see it in stead of throwing granades it should have a second firing action which shoots out granades farther, so when you dont have the range to throw then shoot a granade out with your AR. i dont think thats gonna happen but it would be cool. i also think they should make the AR look better as well. like instead of having just a compass on it, it should also have mini scope on it like the pistol. one more comment i hope they dont allow you to dual weild pistols if there gonna add the pistols because it would be too unbalanced, or at least make the pistol damage less then be able to dual weild.

  • 06.14.2004 9:10 PM PDT
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the only reason that the AR should return is that you look good when carrying it

otherwise NO i mean the weapons that exist now are more accurate and have bigger clips than the AR thats why bungie ditched it for the BR

going on servers full of noobs using ARs = me pwning

  • 06.14.2004 11:11 PM PDT
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screw every thing. we want an upgraded pistol.

  • 06.15.2004 2:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: Dont trip mane
Come on people! The AR is the classic weapon for Halo. We honed our skills over and over with it. It's a BAD ASS weapon we cannot forget, Bungie!!

Think about it. The SMGs cannot replace it because using one SMG on its own isnt powerful enough. Yes, you can use 2 SMGs by duel weilding, but guess what, that takes away your use of throwing grenades. I used to love jumping in the faces of 3 Elites with a badass UNMC machine gun, popin' grenades like it ain't no thang! The SMGs look cool, but in the end I feel that they will be too weak to use throughout the game in the longrun, and I don't want to be forced to use PLASMA weapons all the time. I love them but sometimes they are too non-realistic for me.
The BR is a nice change and I cant wait to use it, but its got too much of a single shot firing effect to it. (even ghough its got the 3 shot burst when not using the scope). It feels too "Rainbow Six 3 " to me. We might be sick of the AR now because we've been playing Halo for 2 years over and over and we want something new. But believe me, without it,Halo 2 will feel like something is missing and this is something people haven't realised yet.

Answer me this. How can we go through a whole war on the Halo ring where the Marines are all sportin' the AR and we use it for 60 to 70% of the game, then drop down to Earth where the war against the covenent continues and the AR is nowhere to be seen? Just like that the Assault Rifle is just gone. It needs to be in there, period.

It should be a badass weapon you cannot duel wield. Its more powerful than the SMG on its own, but 2 SMGs is more powerful than the AR. So you'd have to be careful what to choose and be aware of what your opponent is using. Bungie should take notes on this if they havent already and take it in consideration because it just wouldnt be Halo without the AR. EVERYBODY, tell me what you think, and be smart about your answers. This is the CLASSIC Halo weapon we're talking about and imagine how good it would look in Halo 2. The feel of it would be better, the look of it and the sound, sweet.

If the AR is left out, my Halo friends, we will miss it like crazy by the 5th level, believe me.

the battle rifle will be much better then the assault rilfe believe me on this one!!! the assault rifle suckt caus of the inaccuracy, and this has been changed with the battle rifle that's much more accurate! (and stronger) so don't worry for your weapon caus you'll get a better one in return!

  • 06.15.2004 2:50 AM PDT

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