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I was wondering what the current rule policy was about people sending threatening messages and receiving favors from moderators. I recently got a message from a user , and I was wondering what could be done about the situation. I also find this to be yet another example of the recent optimatch complaints of users calling others alts, and having "linked GT" elitism. I've already posted my gamertag on here at least once, and I find it appalling that I should be attacked simply because I don't have my parents credit card to link an account.

The part that concerns me most is the last sentence. "I would suggest that you never, and I mean never, break a single rule in the forums because I'll have you temp-banned so quickly it will make your head spin." which seems to imply that he has a relationship with the moderating staff, where users get banned for any excuse he can find.

If any of the moderating staff could please reply, it would be greatly appreciated.

Edited to remove the specific user.

Achilles1108


Here is the actual PM text, so no specific users are referred to.

I'll no longer respond to you until you link or list a gold gamertag. Until that point, you have no idea what you are talking about because you've never played Halo 3. You've never used the Halo 3 BR. And you have no idea the difference in spread between the H2 and Halo 3 BR because you've never played either game.

Oh, and the reason why I know you won't list or link a gamertag is because you're an ALT account, and that's quite easy to see. I would suggest that you never, and I mean never, break a single rule in the forums because I'll have you temp-banned so quickly it will make your head spin.

Cheers,


[Edited on 01.25.2008 7:39 AM PST]

  • 01.25.2008 6:45 AM PDT

I think you could probably just PM a mod, and they can (hopefully) take care of it.

[Edited on 01.25.2008 6:53 AM PST]

  • 01.25.2008 6:52 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

I am probably the person in question that he is referring to. I will handle this personally. As for the PM part all I can say is just block somebody if they are just being a prick over the pm system. Now if they are sending truly disturbing messages threatening to cause harm just notify a moderator or Achronos. Things like that can get out of hand quickly.

Now if you don't mind I have somebody I need to go have a talk with.

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Posted by: Achilles1108
I am probably the person in question that he is referring to. I will handle this personally. As for the PM part all I can say is just block somebody if they are just being a prick over the pm system. Now if they are sending truly disturbing messages threatening to cause harm just notify a moderator or Achronos. Things like that can get out of hand quickly.

Now if you don't mind I have somebody I need to go have a talk with.


Do you mean you are the person he has ban people, or did something fly by my head? In a sense he is threatening to cause harm to my account.

[Edited on 01.25.2008 7:01 AM PST]

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[Edited on 01.25.2008 7:40 AM PST]

  • 01.25.2008 7:04 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

Posted by: RAWPOWER95
Posted by: Achilles1108
I am probably the person in question that he is referring to. I will handle this personally. As for the PM part all I can say is just block somebody if they are just being a prick over the pm system. Now if they are sending truly disturbing messages threatening to cause harm just notify a moderator or Achronos. Things like that can get out of hand quickly.

Now if you don't mind I have somebody I need to go have a talk with.


Do you mean you are the person he has ban people, or did something fly by my head? In a sense he is threatening to cause harm to my account.

I only ban people who deserve it. It is just that I am friends with him and more than likely it would be me who he reports it to. Not necessarily though. Still the situation is something that should be handled so I will.

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
You know, if you had a problem with me or anything I said, you could have PM'd me first and tried to resolve it that way. Alas, you didn't take that option.

I'll say this since you brought it up in this thread. If you're not an ALT account you have nothing to worry about. If you are an up-standing member of the community you have nothing to worry about. I don't blacklist people as I'm not a moderator, so what my opinion of you is inconsequential.

It's really too bad that you didn't wish to handle this between the two of us and instead posted on the main forums.

~B.B.


I dont take threats and harassment lightly. The fate of an account shouldn't be yours to decide, and judging by your PM it seems as though you think it is, and are trying to make it so. Also, it seems as though you were trying to use the PM system to avoid the rules, such as the recent statement by achronos on calling people alts.

NOBODY here has enough information to conclusively show who is an alt except for me. In the end, the moderators and myself will deal with alts as we see fit, generally on a case by case basis. As far as you people are concerned, you walk a fine line when you post on an alt. BUT none of you are moderators, and people who continue to try and use "but you're an alt" as part of the discussion will almost certainly find themselves warned/banned for flaming.

Do I make myself clear?


Simply put you are a bully, nothing more. You message, people attack them on the open forums, etc. to try and dissuade them from being on this site. What did you hope to accomplish with that PM other than threatening me? The answer to this question should explain quite a bit.

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Posted by: Achilles1108
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Posted by: Achilles1108
I am probably the person in question that he is referring to. I will handle this personally. As for the PM part all I can say is just block somebody if they are just being a prick over the pm system. Now if they are sending truly disturbing messages threatening to cause harm just notify a moderator or Achronos. Things like that can get out of hand quickly.

Now if you don't mind I have somebody I need to go have a talk with.


Do you mean you are the person he has ban people, or did something fly by my head? In a sense he is threatening to cause harm to my account.

I only ban people who deserve it. It is just that I am friends with him and more than likely it would be me who he reports it to. Not necessarily though. Still the situation is something that should be handled so I will.

So, if I were to report him for breaking the rules, would the same action be taken towards him as it would me? For example, if I were to report him to you right now for violating both the code of conduct and the terms of use, would he be banned?

[Edited on 01.25.2008 7:15 AM PST]

  • 01.25.2008 7:12 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

Posted by: RAWPOWER95
So, if I were to report him for breaking the rules, would the same action be taken towards him as it would me?

Yes it would even though some people would say otherwise. Even though I do consider him a friend I will still blacklist him if the situation calls for it.

In the future I do ask that if any of you have a problem with another member that either you hash it out via pm with them or notify a moderator. That way things can be handled discreetly and faster than letting it boil up and over onto the main forums.

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May I take this moment to say "No Threads About Specific Users" before this gets out of hand?

Moderators please lock this, this is something that should be settled privately not in the main forums, thanks.

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Posted by: TOM T 117
May I take this moment to say "No Threads About Specific Users" before this gets out of hand?

Moderators please lock this, this is something that should be settled privately not in the main forums, thanks.


Not really many people may have questions. As long as Gamertags arent listed let it live.

  • 01.25.2008 7:23 AM PDT

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Posted by: TOM T 117
May I take this moment to say "No Threads About Specific Users" before this gets out of hand?

Moderators please lock this, this is something that should be settled privately not in the main forums, thanks.


Not really many people may have questions. As long as Gamertags arent listed let it live.

You can ask questions but when you start using names then it becomes something else. This should not have been posted in the main forums for all to see.

  • 01.25.2008 7:24 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

Posted by: baccardinals
Posted by: TOM T 117
May I take this moment to say "No Threads About Specific Users" before this gets out of hand?

Moderators please lock this, this is something that should be settled privately not in the main forums, thanks.


Not really many people may have questions. As long as Gamertags arent listed let it live.

Even though it has a tone about specific users I can see how the whole situation has merit. The user has a valid concern and it should be addressed. I am sure other members have had the same concerns but were to scared to even ask the question.

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Posted by: Achilles1108
Posted by: RAWPOWER95
So, if I were to report him for breaking the rules, would the same action be taken towards him as it would me?

Yes it would even though some people would say otherwise. Even though I do consider him a friend I will still blacklist him if the situation calls for it.

In the future I do ask that if any of you have a problem with another member that either you hash it out via pm with them or notify a moderator. That way things can be handled discreetly and faster than letting it boil up and over onto the main forums.


Then I'd like to report him for violations of the CoC and ToU, under ToU Section Use of Communication services sub note 1. and 9.

Defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others.

Restrict or inhibit any other user from using and enjoying the Communication Services.


AND CoC section Love Thy Neighbor paragraph 3.

The Bungie Web Sites and the services provided therein are not to be used to transmit any unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, hateful or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable content, as determined by any Bungie Web Sites employee, designee or admin. This includes material which a user may find embarrassing or which may cause distress, unwanted attention or discomfort to them. It also includes vulgar and abusive language, even when masked by symbolic characters, and includes login names, screen names and club names.

These rules apply to ALL communication services, as such he is clearly in violation of these legally binding contracts.

Here is the portion I am referring to I'll have you temp-banned so quickly it will make your head spin.

And so there is no controversy,

Threat: A threat is a declaration of intention to inflict punishment or harm on another. It will often be conditional upon a particular course of action on the part of the recipient. Definition from wiki.

[Edited on 01.25.2008 7:37 AM PST]

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Posted by: TOM T 117
May I take this moment to say "No Threads About Specific Users" before this gets out of hand?

Moderators please lock this, this is something that should be settled privately not in the main forums, thanks.


Not really many people may have questions. As long as Gamertags arent listed let it live.

You can ask questions but when you start using names then it becomes something else. This should not have been posted in the main forums for all to see.
Perhaps not, but it does offer some insight about things.

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Posted by: TOM T 117
May I take this moment to say "No Threads About Specific Users" before this gets out of hand?

Moderators please lock this, this is something that should be settled privately not in the main forums, thanks.


Not really many people may have questions. As long as Gamertags arent listed let it live.

You can ask questions but when you start using names then it becomes something else. This should not have been posted in the main forums for all to see.
Agreed. I think it will esculate the issue and produces an unfair flamming scenario. The thread in general is fine but when a personal vendetta is put into the equation probems will begin to arise.

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Posted by: RAWPOWER95
Posted by: Achilles1108
Posted by: RAWPOWER95
So, if I were to report him for breaking the rules, would the same action be taken towards him as it would me?

Yes it would even though some people would say otherwise. Even though I do consider him a friend I will still blacklist him if the situation calls for it.

In the future I do ask that if any of you have a problem with another member that either you hash it out via pm with them or notify a moderator. That way things can be handled discreetly and faster than letting it boil up and over onto the main forums.


Then I'd like to report him...
WHOA! WHOA!

Now that should have been in a PM.

[Edited on 01.25.2008 7:32 AM PST]

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He already edited it so i believe the content of the discussion is fine now

There are idoits on here that send terrible PM'S like i said above just block them

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‘The conscious is cancerous if allowed to linger’

"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."

Thanks for removing the specific user Achilles.

Now on to topic I think users getting favors from mods is nonsense. Moderators are assigned duties because they are believed to be trustworthy. I really don't think moderators would risk their reputation or defy their trust by helping even their friends in any kind of argument to win.

Threatening PM's are best resolved privately, I would say your should try to keep friendly with people to avoid confrontations. If this fails just PM a moderator, they will tell you what best to do and will aid you to the best of their abilities. If problems esculate then PM a Master Mod, they will if they believe it necessary take it further, you could try PMing Achronos but due to his excessive quanitiy of PMs it may take him a while to respond hence it is best to work your way up the chain of command.

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The thing i find stupid is that everything that is written on here could be read by Achronos and they continue to write threating PM's

[Edited on 01.25.2008 7:47 AM PST]

  • 01.25.2008 7:47 AM PDT

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There is a reason I am user ID 1 and my account creation date is before this site came online.

Posted by: RAWPOWER95

I dont take threats and harassment lightly. The fate of an account shouldn't be yours to decide, and judging by your PM it seems as though you think it is, and are trying to make it so. Also, it seems as though you were trying to use the PM system to avoid the rules, such as the recent statement by achronos on calling people alts.


I didn't say it was mine to decide. I have no control over what happens to your account. So, why does my opinion of you matter since I can't do anything about you even if I wanted to. The moderators make their own decisions based upon their own opinions...not mine. Even if I suggested that you'd be banned and you had done nothing wrong to warrant it, then nothing would happen. The moderators would say, "eh, it's not worth a ban" and that would be the end of it. Achronos statement as I understood it from that thread was with people calling other users "ALTs" on the main forums. He said that it was pointless because no one other than him has any way of proving it. Since that decision, I have respected Tom's decision on it and have not once even implied that someone is an ALT account on the main forums.

NOBODY here has enough information to conclusively show who is an alt except for me. In the end, the moderators and myself will deal with alts as we see fit, generally on a case by case basis. As far as you people are concerned, you walk a fine line when you post on an alt. BUT none of you are moderators, and people who continue to try and use "but you're an alt" as part of the discussion will almost certainly find themselves warned/banned for flaming.

Do I make myself clear?


Simply put you are a bully, nothing more. You message, people attack them on the open forums, etc. to try and dissuade them from being on this site. What did you hope to accomplish with that PM other than threatening me? The answer to this question should explain quite a bit.
I haven't attacked anyone on the open forums. That would be grounds for being blacklisted. Although it doesn't matter since I'm willing to subject to a blacklisting anyways if they deem it necessary.

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[Edited on 01.25.2008 7:48 AM PST]

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Posted by: BerserkerBarage
I haven't attacked anyone on the open forums. That would be grounds for being blacklisted. Although it doesn't matter since I'm willing to subject to a blacklisting anyways if they deem it necessary.

~B.B.

Member Since: 11/17/2007

So, you've been a member of B.net for exactly three days yet you think you can comment on the trend of how B.net seems to get information after other media venues. And you mention Halo.Bungie.Org, which very few, and I mean very very few people outside of those that frequent the B.net forums know about. You are making comments about things happening on Bungie.net before you B.net login was created.

Thank you come again. Again, I repeat, if you want to be taken anywhere near serious, I'd suggest you get off of your ALT account and post on your account of record.


Member Since: 11/6/2007

So you've been a member of B.net for what? Exactly two weeks. And yet you think you can comment about the trend of B.net seemingly getting information last behind other media venues? Which makes me believe that you've been a B.net member for much longer than 2 weeks. Add in the fact that you thrown in the vernacular of "forum cop" and I'm almost 100% sure.


Regardless, the profile you are currently using is not your regular profile. It was started yesterday. So unless you are making the stance that you have been off of B.net since 2005 until yesterday, and if so you arguably have no "right" to discuss this topic, you are still posting on an alt account other than your profile of note. That is my point.

Oh, and I play social because I can't stand "hardcore" kids like you two who thinks a video game is something serious. Did I ever say that I would beat Critical? No, but nice assumption. I don't think I'm a great Halo player, nor do I pretend to be. I play with the moderators because they, unlike you, aren't ass-clowns. Speaking of moderators...you can kiss your ALT account goodbye.

I also LOVE the fact that you called me a random poster when you're posting on an ALT account. God, you kids make me laugh sooo hard sometimes.

~B.B.


There are many more, but I think the point has been made.

Also, you seem to have missed/avoided the question at the end of my post. What did you hope to accomplish with that PM other than threatening me?

He said that it was pointless because no one other than him has any way of proving it. Since that decision, I have respected Tom's decision on it and have not once even implied that someone is an ALT account on the main forums.
So as I said, you used the PM system to avoid the rules. Thats good to know.

[Edited on 01.25.2008 7:52 AM PST]

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It's not like the user PM'd you multiple times threatening to get you banned. I mean, talk with him via PM and straighten the ordeal out.
I was attacked by someone on the open forum once. I PM'd him saying, in a nutshell, "What the hell man?" He explained, apologized, and that was that. We are actually friends now.
Although I think the sender shouldn't have put the last sentence in, it wasn't bad enough to make a thread about it and get him in possible trouble. Man up and solve it yourself. If he continued to be a royal prick, than go to a mod.
Just my thoughts.

edit: Well...the post above is interesting...But I do agree with the sender. Personally, I dont have any ALT accounts. If you are going to contribute to the forums, use one account. I do disagree with the whole "I will have you banned" parts. But a valid point is made.

[Edited on 01.25.2008 7:56 AM PST]

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