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Subject: Threatening PMs and users getting favors from moderators?

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

Well seeing the thread in question I have decided on my ruling for both parties involved. The topic of threatening pm's and of moderator favoritism is still a valid topic and can still be discussed.

  • 01.25.2008 7:54 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achilles1108
The topic of threatening pm's and of moderator favoritism is still a valid topic and can still be discussed.
I think a new topic would be better. It looks like this one is just going to go back and forth between those involved.

*nevermind, it's seems to have been dealt with*

[Edited on 01.25.2008 7:59 AM PST]

  • 01.25.2008 7:57 AM PDT

Posted by: Achilles1108
Well seeing the thread in question I have decided on my ruling for both parties involved. The topic of threatening pm's and of moderator favoritism is still a valid topic and can still be discussed.
And how does one become a moderator favorite? I've already had a screenshot on "Bungie Favorites"... Does that automatically qualify me, or is there some sort of application process?

(This has been an example of sarcastic humour, used in an attempt to diffuse a tense situation.)

  • 01.25.2008 7:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achilles1108
Well seeing the thread in question I have decided on my ruling for both parties involved. The topic of threatening pm's and of moderator favoritism is still a valid topic and can still be discussed.


Ok...what's the verdict? *stands up*
edit: Ah. I see.

But I never heard of moderator favoritism before, until now...Although there is only two mods whom I report bad things too because I "know" them "better" other mods.

[Edited on 01.25.2008 8:00 AM PST]

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Posted by: Achilles1108
Well seeing the thread in question I have decided on my ruling for both parties involved. The topic of threatening pm's and of moderator favoritism is still a valid topic and can still be discussed.


So basically no action at all.

Well, since the topic of moderator favoritism is still a valid topic, id like to say that he clearly violated multiple rules and he wasnt blacklisted. To me, this is clearly moderator favoritism. Speaking from experience, if anyone were to do what he did, without sucking off you, or another mod, they would be blacklisted.

As it is now, this whole situation makes you look like an unprofessional dick, and him like the same childish ass weve all seen for some time now, using his friends to bully out anyone who is more intelligent than he is.

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I'm going to guess that since the OP has been blacklisted and the other person in question messages have been removed from this topic, that they both have been gagged until a solution is reached?

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Posted by: A Deaf Boy
Posted by: Achilles1108
Well seeing the thread in question I have decided on my ruling for both parties involved. The topic of threatening pm's and of moderator favoritism is still a valid topic and can still be discussed.


Ok...what's the verdict? *stands up*
edit: Ah. I see.

But I never heard of moderator favoritism before, until now...Although there is only two mods whom I report bad things too because I "know" them "better" other mods.


The verdict is a warning at most. BB, because he is friends with achillies, is allowed to continue on his clearly patterned activities, threats, bullying, elitism, etc. Welcome to bungie.net, you have no rights(unless you are friends with the mods) play nice.

EDIT, I was wrong, he got THE SHORTEST POSSIBLE BAN, for a repeat infraction, and violation of both the CoC and ToU, in a well established pattern.

Good god achillies is a pro.

[Edited on 01.25.2008 8:08 AM PST]

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But, has anyone else noticed favoritism by mods? I haven't...

  • 01.25.2008 8:03 AM PDT
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Posted by: Egg on your face
The verdict is a warning at most. BB, because he is friends with achillies, is allowed to continue on his clearly patterned activities, threats, bullying, elitism, etc. Welcome to bungie.net, you have no rights(unless you are friends with the mods) play nice.
Um, no. He was also blacklisted if you care to look.

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I just got this in a PM from rawpower85

You were blacklisted by Achilles1108 on 1/25/2008 at 7:01 AM for the reason listed below.

Report people next time instead of arguing and snipping at them. You both get 3 days off for it. http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=16787194&p ostRepeater1-p=3

So he gets banned for a post from apparently yesterday, I wonder why. And BB only gets a 3 day, even though it is a clearly established pattern of behavior. They both get equal bans, yet 1 is for "arguing and snipping" while the other violated the terms, code, and showed a pattern of the behavior of which he was banned for. Man, I wonder what happened there.

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Posted by: Egg on your face
So he gets banned for a post from apparently yesterday, I wonder why. And BB only gets a 3 day, even though it is a clearly established pattern of behavior. They both get equal bans, yet 1 is for "arguing and snipping" while the other violated the terms, code, and showed a pattern of the behavior of which he was banned for. Man, I wonder what happened there.

I dunno what happened either, but I suspect that we won't be hearing the end of this for quite some time.

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Best thread ever

1. They both get the same ban, even though BB seems to have been the one doing the attacking, harassing, threatening, etc.

2. The user who clearly has done more wrong, gets the same ban as the user who is reporting being attacked

I wonder why a user asking for help from moderator favoritism threats is banned by the moderator most likely to be involved in favoritism as he is friends with the person making the threads.

Man, how could these be connected?

EDIT: Isn't harassing/threatening someone a crime? And that being the case, shouldn't it be listed under the render unto Caesar part?

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  • 01.25.2008 8:20 AM PDT

The alt account, favoritism, elitism and any other ism you can think of type of discussion will never end. I've seen "old" members toss out things like you don't have a linked GT or your a new account how could you know anything about it and then turn around and flame folks who bring H3 skill up in a discussion in another thread. Both are elitism behavior and I stay out of it because I don't want to become a "target".

It's not what you know, it's who you know no matter what aspect of life you're talking about and I think Bnet is no different. I'm not saying it's wrong or right, it just is the way it is. I think some of the original discussion stemmed from a feeling of a double-standard. I mean the whole alt account moaning and complaining has been going on since the dawn of time. Anyway, Big A spoke in another thread about alt's and said, no one knows for sure but him so leave it out of the discussion and stop the accusations.

  • 01.25.2008 8:23 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

Posted by: BTP Dagger
Best thread ever

1. They both get the same ban, even though BB seems to have been the one doing the attacking, harassing, threatening, etc.

2. The user who clearly has done more wrong, gets the same ban as the user who is reporting being attacked

I wonder why a user asking for help from moderator favoritism threats is banned by the moderator most likely to be involved in favoritism as he is friends with the person making the threads.

Man, how could these be connected?

Did you ever stop to think that there was more to the original thread that at least warranted a 3 day ban for both while the other situation was being looked at by a higher up third party? Just because you do not see what is going on does not mean that something is being done to take care of the situation.

Now how is that considered favoritism?

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So they were both banned for another thread..... meaning BB wasnt banned for the long list of forum violations, legal infractions, etc. listed in this thread?

Did you really ask me how that is considered favoritism? Not banning someone for clear rule infractions.... how is that considered favoritism? Good god. And you cant deal with this on your own? You are a moderator who doesnt know enough about the rules to make a decision on this and has to run it up the ladder? I doubt this would've been done for anyone else, but since hes your friend it deserves special treatment.... what a joke

  • 01.25.2008 8:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: BTP Dagger
So they were both banned for another thread..... meaning BB wasnt banned for the long list of forum violations, legal infractions, etc. listed in this thread?

Did you really ask me how that is considered favoritism? Not banning someone for clear rule infractions.... how is that considered favoritism? Good god. And you cant deal with this on your own? You are a moderator who doesnt know enough about the rules to make a decision on this and has to run it up the ladder? I doubt this would've been done for anyone else, but since hes your friend it deserves special treatment.... what a joke

Have you thought that since it involves someone who he considers a friend, that he is deferring judgement to a third party to avoid any possibilty of showing favoritism, intended or not?

  • 01.25.2008 8:59 AM PDT

Posted by: WolfmanMaverick
You people have just sent my sides into orbit. A bunch of MLG try hards sucking the dick of some supposed pro half the thread hasn't even heard of. Classic.

Posted by: BTP Dagger
So they were both banned for another thread..... meaning BB wasnt banned for the long list of forum violations, legal infractions, etc. listed in this thread?

Did you really ask me how that is considered favoritism? Not banning someone for clear rule infractions.... how is that considered favoritism? Good god. And you cant deal with this on your own? You are a moderator who doesnt know enough about the rules to make a decision on this and has to run it up the ladder? I doubt this would've been done for anyone else, but since hes your friend it deserves special treatment.... what a joke


You do realize that pm screens can be photoshopped and that we cannot go into a members account to view them right? Only a select few have the power for that. So based on that we like to "run it up the ladder" so that way it is taken care of by people that have more experience in those matters.

Posted by: twinkiemaker
Have you thought that since it involves someone who he considers a friend, that he is deferring judgement to a third party to avoid any possibilty of showing favoritism, intended or not?

Exactly.

[Edited on 01.25.2008 9:03 AM PST]

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Posted by: Achilles1108
Posted by: BTP Dagger
So they were both banned for another thread..... meaning BB wasnt banned for the long list of forum violations, legal infractions, etc. listed in this thread?

Did you really ask me how that is considered favoritism? Not banning someone for clear rule infractions.... how is that considered favoritism? Good god. And you cant deal with this on your own? You are a moderator who doesnt know enough about the rules to make a decision on this and has to run it up the ladder? I doubt this would've been done for anyone else, but since hes your friend it deserves special treatment.... what a joke


You do realize that pm screens can be photoshopped and that we cannot go into a members account to view them right? Only a select few have the power for that. So based on that we like to "run it up the ladder" so that way it is taken care of by people that have more experience in those matters.


Again, your moderation skills seem to be founded in blind ignorance and now excuses. He admitted to it being from him in the first page of the thread before he edited his post. Use your reveal button. Why would he reply to allegations on a PM, if it was fake/photoshopped? Please read the entire thread and think of its content before posting.

Yet another example if you either being wildly incompetent, lacking any form of reading skills, or giving this special treatment....or maybe a combination of more than one.

EDIT: I followed my own advise and went back through the thread, and my opinion of you has dropped further. You said you'll talk to him about it, then say you are, etc. so if the message is real(judging by BBs posts it is), you are trying to use "Oh it could be fake" when you've already talked to the user who posted the message. So, you are making an excuse which you KNOW is false in order to cover your own ass. Youre right, no favoritism at all.

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  • 01.25.2008 9:09 AM PDT

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Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

Posted by: BTP Dagger
They both get the same ban, even though BB seems to have been the one doing the attacking, harassing, threatening, etc.


i surely believe that some mods enforce rules inconsistently, and i think that some people get banned for no reason while others should be banned but go unpunished, but you should consider other activity on each account in question. unfortunately, we cannot look at posts made by either person since they are hidden, but i can tell you that in the last week i have seen many inappropriate posts made by one of the posters in many threads, and, if i am not mistaken, he has been banned repeatedly as of late. that being the case, i see no reason to suppose that one guy was treated differently than the other based on who he is friends with. the length of a ban is shaped by user history (such as warnings and bans), so the duration of the ban is likely affected by this persons other rules violations, not just this one.

as for your comments about threats and harassment, i have not seen the pms in question, but if a person sends a pm telling someone that he is going to report him under suspicion of being an alt account trying to avoid a ban, i cannot see how that is either a threat or harassment, and i certainly do not see it as criminal behavior.

i am curious to see what will happen to the 'webcam mvp' title that one of these guys had. i got warnings and bans and my title was removed, and i wonder if the same will happen in this case.

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Posted by: sesquipadelian
Posted by: BTP Dagger
They both get the same ban, even though BB seems to have been the one doing the attacking, harassing, threatening, etc.


i surely believe that some mods enforce rules inconsistently, and i think that some people get banned for no reason while others should be banned but go unpunished, but you should consider other activity on each account in question. unfortunately, we cannot look at posts made by either person since they are hidden, but i can tell you that in the last week i have seen many inappropriate posts made by one of the posters in many threads, and, if i am not mistaken, he has been banned repeatedly as of late. that being the case, i see no reason to suppose that one guy was treated differently than the other based on who he is friends with. the length of a ban is shaped by user history (such as warnings and bans), so the duration of the ban is likely affected by this persons other rules violations, not just this one.

As was already said, they are 3 day bans, the shortest possible, so I dont think his recent bans(idk if he had any) affected his ban length.


as for your comments about threats and harassment, i have not seen the pms in question, but if a person sends a pm telling someone that he is going to report him under suspicion of being an alt account trying to avoid a ban, i cannot see how that is either a threat or harassment, and i certainly do not see it as criminal behavior.

I dont have the exact quote, but he didnt say he was going to report him for being an alt. BB had said something about how he wasn't allowed to talk about something anymore, both in the thread and PM, and then went on to say something to the effect of, if he violates any rules even remotely he was going to have him banned so fast his head would spin. Personally, telling someone what they are allowed to do, not allowed to do, then directly preceding to talking about how he can "have him banned so fast his head would spin" generally gets the point across. Also, he asked BB what the purpose of the message was, if not to threaten him, and BB avoided the question.


i am curious to see what will happen to the 'webcam mvp' title that one of these guys had. i got warnings and bans and my title was removed, and i wonder if the same will happen in this case.

Same. If you dont mind my asking, what was your title?

  • 01.25.2008 9:29 AM PDT

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Why is this thread still going? You guys are still talking about specific users, which to my knowledge is not allowed. In the past these types of threads get locked.

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Posted by: sesquipadelian
...but if a person sends a pm telling someone that he is going to report him under suspicion of being an alt account trying to avoid a ban, i cannot see how that is either a threat or harassment,...

The boss says:

Posted by: Achronos
2. NOBODY here has enough information to conclusively show who is an alt except for me. In the end, the moderators and myself will deal with alts as we see fit, generally on a case by case basis. As far as you people are concerned, you walk a fine line when you post on an alt. BUT none of you are moderators, and people who continue to try and use "but you're an alt" as part of the discussion will almost certainly find themselves warned/banned for flaming.


Anyway - purely out of curiosity's sake, exactly what happened here? Can just about piece it together from the quotes sections, except who's who and suchlike.

Also.

The topic...of moderator favoritism is still a valid topic and can still be discussed

oh hai

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Posted by: elmicker
Anyway - purely out of curiosity's sake, exactly what happened here? Can just about piece it together from the quotes sections, except who's who and suchlike.


Check your PMs

  • 01.25.2008 9:59 AM PDT

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Okay let me start out saying this thread is basically a pissing contest. If you ever feel that you have a legitimate complaint about a Moderator or user or feel that you were treated unfairly your first step should be to contact a Master Moderator. If a Master Moderator is unable to resolve your issue than we will advance it onto Achronos where the issue will ultimately be resolved.

Taking to the forums is a terrible way to resolve conflict and even worse if you are being threatened or harassed. And on that note, if you are being threatened or harassed than it is your duty to first block that user and to contact a Moderator. We do take harassment or threats very seriously and depending on the severity of what is actually we will involve more than just the wrath of Achronos.

As for favoritism, elitism and all that “alt”... it won't exist and it shouldn't exist when dealing with a Moderator. And as I said above, if you believe you were treated unfairly, contact a Master Moderator. In the future this probably will most likely be completely resolved, so be wary.

This topic is closed as it was directed at particular users, now I will allow a topic of the same nature to be reposted in order to maintain a focused discussion and to hopefully explore this if it is indeed an actual concern of the community. I will be dealing with this matter personally and privately as all parties involved are entitled to their privacy.

  • 01.25.2008 10:26 AM PDT

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