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Tom Achronos
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Yes, you can lose it, although it is less automatic. I have removed a few of them.

Posted by: Basilisk666
Question, Achronos--

Since we were talking about my fellow Webcam MVPs, is it possible that a blacklisting would remove such title? I mean, it's a title, a privilege, just like any other member title. Not referring to the thread mentioned earlier, if one of my kind were to get a blacklisting or warning sufficient enough, would their title be effectively removed?

I just don't want people thinking we're immune or something, without having the same repercussions that they would have if we were to break the rules.

I can't speak for the rest of us MVPs, but I wear the title with pride.

EDIT- Just so that last comment doesn't get misconstrued: I would never use my title over another individual.

There, I said it.

  • 01.28.2008 2:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Achronos
Yes, you can lose it, although it is less automatic. I have removed a few of them.

Thank you, kind sir. That's relieving to hear.

  • 01.28.2008 2:43 PM PDT
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its so hard to not like -=[Achronos]=-.

[Edited on 01.28.2008 3:05 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2008 3:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: EpiDemic 1
its so hard to not like -=[Achronos]=-.


He called me a troll once.

I hated him.

Just for a fraction of a second.

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Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: EpiDemic 1
its so hard to not like -=[Achronos]=-.


He called me a troll once.

I hated him.

Just for a fraction of a second.
so you looked like one of these?

  • 01.28.2008 3:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: EpiDemic 1
Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: EpiDemic 1
its so hard to not like -=[Achronos]=-.


He called me a troll once.

I hated him.

Just for a fraction of a second.
so you looked like one of these?

Exactly, then Achronos stuffed him back into his box.

  • 01.28.2008 3:14 PM PDT

I don't see the problem.

On a sports team would you suggest removing the "captain" title from a senior because it makes him seem more worthy than a freshman? No, because there is a reason that person is a "captain" just like there is a reason people have titles on this forum. It is because some people have been here longer working towards making this community and it is handy to be able to identify them.

I'm not going to go ask a week old member how to create a named link or where to find that story about the spicy pickled sausages. I'll ask the guy who's been here since the dawn of time because he's probably figured all that out by now.

  • 01.28.2008 3:17 PM PDT
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anyone who uses post counts or titles against others needs to directly log off of Bnet and see their local psychiatrist for an evaluation.

  • 01.28.2008 3:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

Posted by: elmicker
Posted by: EpiDemic 1
its so hard to not like -=[Achronos]=-.


He called me a troll once.

I hated him.

Just for a fraction of a second.
Can you say hypocrite?

When the titles were first introduced I thought "Huh, cool." and moved on. If I had not received the title I would have not cared because I didn't think I really stood out above the other members. I'm not saying I do, but it is kinda like a badge. If it were to be removed I would simply have the same reaction to when I got it except opposite;

"Huh, that sucks."

I also agree with everyone else who said the elitist threads need to stop.

  • 01.28.2008 3:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: PyRo Tek NikS
anyone who uses post counts or titles against others needs to directly log off of Bnet and see their local psychiatrist for an evaluation.
agreed. QFT
Edit: actually. That is so good I am going to put it in my sig.

[Edited on 01.28.2008 3:47 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2008 3:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: muffin man one
I also agree with everyone else who said the elitist threads need to stop.

That's like trying to say, "We should stop the rain."

It's inevitable. Every few months they recycle and all the big players come in with something to contribute. Just let it play itself out and then you can ignore the word until April rolls around.

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Posted by: AoDC
Wasn't the whole point of hiding Post Counts to avoid a forum member looking "above" another? Instead of that, we now have these new groups/titles/status' that basically show the same thing. Everyone should be equal, and individual only by Username (and perhaps a custom Halo 3 Symbol etc).



Karl Marx couldn't have said it better himself you communist.

  • 01.28.2008 3:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: EpiDemic 1
Posted by: PyRo Tek NikS
anyone who uses post counts or titles against others needs to directly log off of Bnet and see their local psychiatrist for an evaluation.
agreed. QFT
Edit: actually. That is so good I am going to put it in my sig.


Ty!

  • 01.28.2008 3:53 PM PDT

Dianna Agron is the epitome of perfection.

Quinntology.

Yes, the titles promote Elitism slightly, but not enought to have a drastic effect. I like how Pezz worded his statement about how younger members have a goal and tend to strive toward those special member titles. The only thing that I would like to change about the whole thing is that many people (including myself) tend to switch accounts because of different reasons, so therefore they do no get their "special member" titles. Changes that could be made? None that I could think of really, the system works perfectly fine. However, is there some way for newer accounts but older members to get these titles? For example, I have been lurking Bungie.net since 2004, I have never been banned from the forums, I do not believe I have gotten 1 warning (if any at all), and most of the time I try to contribute and do my best to give helpful suggestions. The only issue would be that I have had a lot of accounts (Bosspilks, APurpleChicken, Kasai Kaji, ATalkingBunny, Kasai, Return of Kasai, and Killed by Pasta. [Wow, I need to stop...] over 4 years). I believe that I would qualify if I had no switched accounts so many times.

So that is my opinion on that matter, yes the system works well, but I personally believe that one modification would help out a lot more.

**** See? Even I want a higher rank in order to feel superior over other people. As much as everyone tries to deny it, we all promote Elitism one way or another ****

  • 01.28.2008 4:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

If you have been lurking while logged of for years then there isn't a way of tracking you visiting this site. Well there are cookies but they would have to have been planted back in 2004 and cookies get deleted every few weeks so that wouldn't work. Also the member titles didn't exist back then so there would be no need for such cookies.

Well basically what I am trying to say is that yes there could have been ways to track you visiting this site but since member titles didn't exist until late '07 there wouldn't have been these systems in place in the first place.

Do I make sense?

[Edited on 01.28.2008 4:41 PM PST]

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I fully expect Achronos to be able to check a ton of things a nytime he wants for kicks and grins such as:

How long someone is logged in everyday, post count, IP's logged per acct, maybe even number of threads locked and a ton of other things that admins can do.

I think he can even log into our accts and look at our pm center if he wants.

[Edited on 01.28.2008 4:44 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2008 4:43 PM PDT

Dianna Agron is the epitome of perfection.

Quinntology.

Yes, you make perfect sense. I know there isn't a real way to track it, my wording was kind of strange. I would like to see it happen, because then it would provide with more recognition so some people posts. I will use yet another example. People tend to look for that Heroic or Legendary title next to someone's name and feel to post in that particular thread, just because they have that title. If that's the reason people generally do not look at my threads or posts on a daily basis, then this theroretical idea would fix it, but there is basically no way to do it.

I think that was kind of confusing, but I did my best wording it the best way possible.

  • 01.28.2008 4:47 PM PDT
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I honestly don't think I've seen someone abuse the forum rank unless they were doing it in a joking manner. However, those that usually have the rank, generally don't promote elitism. I honestly see the ranks as something that newer members can strive to achieve. This will help promote better threads and people to think about their decisions on b.net.

  • 01.28.2008 4:50 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

Posted by: Killed by Pasta
People tend to look for that Heroic or Legendary title next to someone's name and feel to post in that particular thread, just because they have that title.


really? do you do this? even if you do, what reason do you have to think that anyone else does, let alone that this is the norm?

i highly doubt that the majority of posters hunt for people with various titles and then make posts. this would involve many extra steps. i suspect that people see either a topic title that interests them, an op or last poster that sparks their interest, or forum activity and then decide to open the thread. they can do all of those things from the forum page.

i would be shocked if anyone had evidence to support your claim about what motivates people to post.

plus, since it is clear to many of us what these titles usually indicate (length of membership and few penalties), i cannot imagine why anyone would care more about posts by posters with 'heroic' or 'legendary' under their name.

  • 01.28.2008 5:01 PM PDT

Posted by: sesquipadelian
Posted by: Killed by Pasta
People tend to look for that Heroic or Legendary title next to someone's name and feel to post in that particular thread, just because they have that title.


really? do you do this? even if you do, what reason do you have to think that anyone else does, let alone that this is the norm?

i highly doubt that the majority of posters hunt for people with various titles and then make posts. this would involve many extra steps. i suspect that people see either a topic title that interests them, an op or last poster that sparks their interest, or forum activity and then decide to open the thread. they can do all of those things from the forum page.

i would be shocked if anyone had evidence to support your claim about what motivates people to post.

plus, since it is clear to many of us what these titles usually indicate (length of membership and few penalties), i cannot imagine why anyone would care more about posts by posters with 'heroic' or 'legendary' under their name.


When I see a herioc, legendary or moderator rank I feel better posting in that thread, knowing it probably won't go off-topic or have trolling.
I don't see why not bungie doesn't hire someone, or let someone do some scientific research into forum trends and behaviour.
Consider it as an investment in the future of the forum.

  • 01.28.2008 5:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: AoDC
Wasn't the whole point of hiding Post Counts to avoid a forum member looking "above" another? Instead of that, we now have these new groups/titles/status' that basically show the same thing. Everyone should be equal, and individual only by Username (and perhaps a custom Halo 3 Symbol etc).



Karl Marx couldn't have said it better himself you communist.


Marx ?!
Marx would be for, not against.
Afterall..... "The more tightly packed the group, the greater the need for strict social rank and order."

  • 01.28.2008 5:11 PM PDT

Dianna Agron is the epitome of perfection.

Quinntology.

Posted by: sesquipadelian
Posted by: Killed by Pasta
People tend to look for that Heroic or Legendary title next to someone's name and feel to post in that particular thread, just because they have that title.


really? do you do this? even if you do, what reason do you have to think that anyone else does, let alone that this is the norm?

i highly doubt that the majority of posters hunt for people with various titles and then make posts. this would involve many extra steps. i suspect that people see either a topic title that interests them, an op or last poster that sparks their interest, or forum activity and then decide to open the thread. they can do all of those things from the forum page.

i would be shocked if anyone had evidence to support your claim about what motivates people to post.

plus, since it is clear to many of us what these titles usually indicate (length of membership and few penalties), i cannot imagine why anyone would care more about posts by posters with 'heroic' or 'legendary' under their name.


I never stated that people "hunt" for members with special titles, I just was saying people tend to feel obligated when members with special titles make a thread. Take a look around the forums sometime, you'll see what I mean. And please, if you are going to critque my post, please use read the whole thing, because it doesn't look like you did from what you typed.

  • 01.28.2008 5:13 PM PDT
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Programatically invading forums.

I didn't expect such massive responses.

Also, as for me getting facepalmed by Achronos, that's more insulting and uncalled for than finding out I've been fired from work because I'm not religious. I mean, I did do a search, I didn't find any satisfactory results (lack of filtering much), so I made my post, and I got facepalmed? I thought this was a community of some sort of democracy, but clearly I was mistaken. I didn't ask for Recon Armor, I didn't say Bungie failed at Halo 3, and I was still shut off.

Bleh.

  • 01.28.2008 5:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Cockburnicus
You missed the point like Vader missed the banshee, your whole argument is covered in bees.
Stop sending me group invites -blam!-s!

Posted by: AoDC
I didn't expect such massive responses.

Also, as for me getting facepalmed by Achronos, that's more insulting and uncalled for than finding out I've been fired from work because I'm not religious. I mean, I did do a search, I didn't find any satisfactory results (lack of filtering much), so I made my post, and I got facepalmed? I thought this was a community of some sort of democracy, but clearly I was mistaken. I didn't ask for Recon Armor, I didn't say Bungie failed at Halo 3, and I was still shut off.

Bleh.
A 'facepalm' is when someone puts their face in the palms of their hands. Usually in frustration, embarrassment or disgust. I believe frustration was the case.

Furthermore he was not 'facepalming' you as a person, he was 'facepalming' the whole elitist argument that everyone seems to get so worked up about these days.

Final note: I believe your interpretation of 'facepalm' is that of a slap, it is not, like I said above it is an expression. Observe.

[Edited on 01.28.2008 6:09 PM PST]

  • 01.28.2008 6:04 PM PDT

Dianna Agron is the epitome of perfection.

Quinntology.

I hardly think you were shut off, not many threads get this many replies in the 7th column...

  • 01.28.2008 6:04 PM PDT