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Subject: Halo 2 bot speculation!
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I was looking thru the H2 screens today when i noticed an interesting object...

This shows the unedited image from this site
http://www.bungie.net/images/Games/Halo2/screenshots/H2_chief andodsts.j pg

Now, as you can all see, on the chiefs shoulder their is what APPEARS to be the symbol of the 7th column.
In other single player screenshots, this is not visible.

This leads me to believe it may be a multiplayer screenshot, as the 'logos' are present in every MP screenshot. Now, in one of the bungie updates, and many discussions, bots are said that they will make an appearance in multiplayer.

It would be quite interesting if these bots we're ODST's, and maybe lower class Elites (or Brutes) or something, instead of Spartans?

Maybe you can have a Bot Difficulty setting in Multiplayer that affects what bots show up in MP?

Easy = Jackals/Marines
Medium = Brutes/ODSTs
Hard = Elites/Spartans

I rigged up an advanced image, that shows ...

1) the screenshot
2) a closeup of the symbol
3) the symbol on red armour (taken from the 3d screenshot)
4) the comparison

Go to this address to view the enhanced image (cant figure out the proper forum code here ... grrr)
http://talk.xboxsolution.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2608 &stc=1

I am now 100% sure that is the 7th column symbol on the shoulder of the Spartan. That would be pretty awesome to have ranging bot opponents in MP. REMEMBER who said it first! :D


Cheers,
~Kain

[Edited on 6/12/2004 4:54:44 PM]

  • 06.12.2004 4:53 PM PDT
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good job

  • 06.12.2004 5:03 PM PDT
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wowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowowow owow

  • 06.12.2004 5:08 PM PDT
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i think you just proved bots im mp

  • 06.12.2004 5:18 PM PDT
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i think so too

  • 06.12.2004 5:18 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dufresne
i think you just proved bots im mp


w00t (and a half)

Cheers,
~Kain

  • 06.12.2004 5:20 PM PDT
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also they always say that zanzabar is not a single player map so i guess they sliped up just a little bit on hiding this big secret

  • 06.12.2004 5:20 PM PDT
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how dose that prove anything

  • 06.12.2004 5:22 PM PDT
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if it wernt on single play then why would their be some odst

  • 06.12.2004 5:23 PM PDT
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link not work, never mind there was a space between j and pg

[Edited on 6/12/2004 5:51:39 PM]

  • 06.12.2004 5:30 PM PDT
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congrats. but how can we be sure? the symbol is in a glare. maybe its just glaring in a wierd pattern? and maybe its not zanzabar, but its a single player map that we havent seen? but until nov 9th we cant be sure! Congratz on noticing that man, its awesom!

  • 06.12.2004 5:48 PM PDT
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it may be in a glare, but here, i took the image and completed the shoulder in like 2 mins and came up with this:

http://talk.xboxsolution.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2613 &stc=1

I really need to find out the code for images. *rolls eyes*

Cheers,
~Kain

  • 06.12.2004 8:26 PM PDT
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Can you list/quote where they say bots are in? I know they are thinking about bots, and have not ruled out bots, but i've never heard it mentioned that they are in. Now if they are, I'd love to be able to choise their models, and I'd love to play against and as ODST's (i think they look cooler than the chief). Heck, even if Bots aren't in (heaven forbid) i'd still like ODST's to be playable. Unfortunately, every new model we can play also means more first person animations, so I can probably count that idea out. :( esp. since nothing in the Updates mentioning first person annimating for additional models.

Great find Rith Kain! When I saw the picture I thought (and still think) its more of a PR shot than anything else. Zanzabar was something that was polished off for E3, so it'd provide a great backdrop for any new screens. But the more and more I think about it, it is very odd that the chief would have an emblem on. That'd almost certainly mean MP. And why have ODST's in MP?

But my question: What do the poses mean? Only the ODST on the far right seems to be in a reasonable "MP Pose" with his rifle at the ready.

Certainly, this screenshot has an interesting story behind it.

  • 06.12.2004 9:02 PM PDT
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From one of Bungie's updates...


Parsons' Crazy Theory

OK everyone. Deep breath. Studio manager Parsons has a theory, that the unkind might refer to as crackpot, but he's thought it out, so we'll go along with it for a bit. So his theory boils down to this fundamental premise: "If you want a flying car, you must buy a Roomba." Now it gets more complex than that. Parsons thinks that the Roomba's tech is cool, but relatively inconsequential, but its social impact is of paramount importance.

Now a Roomba, for the uninitiated, is that robotic vacuum cleaner. He thinks that if you're cool with leaving a Robot, or SuckBot as I call it for short, to rampage around your house while you're out, then you'll be cool with all sorts of AI in your house and life. Like a fly-by-wire robot-driven car.

I'm sure there's a lot more to it than that, but that's the gist of it. I would counter that obviously Robots are good at one thing: Rampaging. And there are further problems. For starters, they never have hands, always claws, gaping sucking maws, or lasers. None of these implements is useful for hugging, massaging or any other things you think you might want in your house.
- If you think of the relevance this has, he's talking about Robots, aka AI, aka Bots. And he is suggesting u might want these 'things' in your house, therefor, BOTS in your house, aka Halo 2.

Ch33rs,
~Kain


[Edited on 6/12/2004 11:41:05 PM]

  • 06.12.2004 11:26 PM PDT
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I can confirm the following...

1. That is NOT glare, look at the other shoulder and you will see a bit more white coming off, plus, that is only one texture, plain white, glare is many textures, if you zoom in you can tell it's definately supposed to be there, either a symbol, emblem, whatever.
2. That level is either a copy of Zanzibar or it IS Zanibar, look at the screenshot with the Elite on the cliff with the sword, you will see the criss-crossed trees, also on the left you will see a leafy tree behind another pine tree, also seen in both shots and rocks in the background. So maybe it is a level based on Zanzibar or it IS Zanibar.

The fact that they are bots are still to be seen though, maybe the Emblems are visible in Single Player now? We never saw Single Player footage at the E3 show...
Maybe those ODST's are playable in Multiplayer?

One thing that put me off though, look at their stances, Master Chiefs body is forward with his face looking right, the ODST looks like he has his gun lowered, the only character with a stance that looks like it came from in-game is the ODST at the back, otherwise I would say this is just a cut-scene...

Nice find anyway...

This however doesn't proove bots or no bots though...

Their is still a chance.

  • 06.13.2004 4:14 AM PDT
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Now... if you read early updates, i think it mentions that characters will lower their guns if close to walls, or maybe for other reasons (such as no enemies nearby maybe, or looking at an ally)

Also, it mentions the ingame characters will look at things with their heads if it is an object of interest (enemy ally, maybe something else, once again)
Even if your aimer isnt on the object, so that may explain why cheif is standint different to usual.

  • 06.13.2004 4:27 AM PDT
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weird.. it looks like a cutscene

  • 06.13.2004 8:10 AM PDT
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If you compare the colour of MC's armour with that of other images, its ALOT lighter (and not just from the lighting), it looks like a light green, and i dont think MC's armour colour changes in single player, not to mention, i really don't think MC would have the 7th column logo on his shoulder in Single player.

And i was wondering about those trees too, the more i compare the images, the more i believe that it is zanzibar, and it is Multiplayer, and those are bots. Its just so damn obvious now! Maybe i can get an answer from bungie by mail or something...

Cheers,
~Kain

  • 06.13.2004 7:52 PM PDT
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well i think it was a hell of a find. many obvious clues there that come together to prove a theory. Its like how scientists or detectives solve things. good job.
-color of MC's armor
-shoulder emblem
-fact that early update stated character stances and gun positions would change based on enviroment
-zanzibar level present "pretty obvious by the way"
-and other reasons i am too lazy to type
-fact that this isnt a cutscene. have you read updates about the cutscenes and cinematics they are suppose to blow us away. these graphics dont look like cutscene graphics

  • 06.13.2004 8:14 PM PDT
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Whoa, Rith Kain, you are the moderator at XBS. Tight (its me, sumhaloguy). Anyway, I liked your post (it was better at XBS since you actually had the pics shown).

  • 06.13.2004 8:20 PM PDT
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Whoa.

Nice job. :)

  • 06.13.2004 8:23 PM PDT
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HURRYA NEWB question: uumm what is the 7th columb symbol>??? im confused,

  • 06.13.2004 8:28 PM PDT
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Go to the forum The Septagon. You see the banner (the star thingie)? That's the symbol.

  • 06.13.2004 8:29 PM PDT
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oohh thanx man! i thought i was ganna get flamed! thats so cool> now i get it, how on earth did you notice that and then get that other angle man! your briliant!!!!!

  • 06.13.2004 8:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: PieFresh
oohh thanx man! i thought i was ganna get flamed!


Just hope it's me whenever you have a question that you think might get flamed. I don't flame. =P

  • 06.13.2004 8:38 PM PDT

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