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Tom Achronos
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"I have no words that would do justice to the atrocities you commit to the English language, as well as your continued assaults on the concepts of basic literacy and logical reasoning."

It is more about forcing people to go through an additional barrier of entry to post in the forum - a way to elevate Optimatch, mark it as important. That being said, it may be changed to require Gold only tags in the future, but for now, we're just going to start with this.

This isn't a method to combat spam (it won't, IMHO, except from the little kids and fly by night spammers who aren't part of the community anyway), it is a way to mark the forum as more important than others and try and elevate the coversation.

It is so easy to make a fake silver account, how would this problem be reduced?

[Edited on 01.30.2008 10:56 AM PST]

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I'm so glad.

It seems like atm IMO that we can't get a lot done in there because of the high levels of flaming.

Maybe with this everyone will grow up and we can then work closer with Bungie to deliver a better online experience.

  • 01.30.2008 10:58 AM PDT
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You're a real heart breaker tom tom

Posted by: Achronos
Uh, they won't be able to post anymore in Optimatch unless they link a silver or a gold gamertag to the Windows Live ID they use to log into bungie.net (remember that the gamertag doesn't have to be visible to others if they don't want it to be). If they can't be bothered to do that, then Optimatch is not the place where they need to be posting, given its very specific purpose.

Posted by: BTP Dagger
What about people who have been posting but arent linked?


[Edited on 01.30.2008 11:03 AM PST]

  • 01.30.2008 11:02 AM PDT

Posted by: PyRo Tek NikS
I'm so glad.

It seems like atm IMO that we can't get a lot done in there because of the high levels of flaming.

Maybe with this everyone will grow up and we can then work closer with Bungie to deliver a better online experience.

Um, there is a lot of great debate and discussion in Opti. I don't see how there are "high levels of flaming". A lot of the threads get bogged down with people saying you don't have a linked GT or your account is only a month old kind of BS. This won't curb that kind of behavior because it can still be hidden so some folks will still go to that last resort behavior when they can't intelligently talk any longer.

I am indifferent about the new requirement but I don't see it making a "huge" impact on the quantity or quality of posts. I've seen "new" guys come in and post great things and "veterans" come in derail the whole thing.

  • 01.30.2008 11:54 AM PDT

My YouTube Channel. Just getting into the Machinima business.

Very nice move, it's been implimented already.

  • 01.30.2008 11:57 AM PDT
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Yep its there now w00t w00t.

  • 01.30.2008 12:23 PM PDT

In the near-future, it does require you to have a linked GT =]

I've been here for nearly 4 years now. Maybe I'll decide to actually post there for once in my life.

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Posted by: Recon Number 54
While I am a huge proponent of the idea of a linked and unbanned XBL-Gold gamertag being a requirement for topic creation or reply in Optimatch, I cannot extend that support into the Halo 3 forum. Other than the change to Optimatch and the fact that topic creation in the file forums requires a linked tag.... I don't see how it would be a relevant or appropriate change to any of the other forums.

The file forums? Well, that is a toss-up. As it stands right now and as I understand things, no one can create a new topic in the file forums without a linked gamertag. While extending the reply restriction to only allow members with linked tags could/would reduce the possibility of using dummy accounts to bump and post false replies/reviews.... I don't know if that is such a problem that it requires such a profound restriction.

I could see the reasoning for either side in the file forums. In the screen-shots forum, use of Halo 3 to view a pic is not required, so some of that potential audience may not have Halo 3, a gamertag or anything other than a Bungie.Net account. But, if they were still able to read/view the threads, then they still have access, just no ability to reply in a constructive manner or to abuse the rules.

So for me?

Optimatch = Yes please.
File forums = Whatever Bungie decides.
Other forums = Not necessary, relevant or helpful.


I agree. Anyone should be able to comment on Halo 3. Half of the owners of Halo 3 don't have Xbox Live Gold accounts. Does that mean they can't have any input?

  • 01.30.2008 12:28 PM PDT

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I agree. Anyone should be able to comment on Halo 3. Half of the owners of Halo 3 don't have Xbox Live Gold accounts. Does that mean they can't have any input?


Yes, that right.

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  • 01.30.2008 1:17 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

how is he a heartbreaker?

bungie has made a change to ensure that only h3 mm players are sharing their thoughts about h3 mm, and he gave a clear explanation of the move. why on earth can you be against this new change? how will it negatively affect the optimatch forum?

Posted by: BTP Dagger
You're a real heart breaker tom tom

Posted by: Achronos
Uh, they won't be able to post anymore in Optimatch unless they link a silver or a gold gamertag to the Windows Live ID they use to log into bungie.net (remember that the gamertag doesn't have to be visible to others if they don't want it to be). If they can't be bothered to do that, then Optimatch is not the place where they need to be posting, given its very specific purpose.

Posted by: BTP Dagger
What about people who have been posting but arent linked?

  • 01.30.2008 2:08 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

Posted by: Jay120171
Um, there is a lot of great debate and discussion in Opti. I don't see how there are "high levels of flaming".

I am indifferent about the new requirement but I don't see it making a "huge" impact on the quantity or quality of posts. I've seen "new" guys come in and post great things and "veterans" come in derail the whole thing.


you may not have seen the serious spamming of threads, and you may not have noticed the effects of this change yet, but you will.

over the last 3 months, there have been over a dozen brand new alt accounts that post dozens of times a day and break forum rules. they get banned, and the next day (or that very day) a brand new account will go to the same threads and continue to break the same rules. that has just ended.

if you pay close attention to the optimatch forum, i suspect that you will notice that a few trouble-making accounts are absent because of the new requirement. if a person links an account, then he can no longer remain anonymous, and if he can no longer remain anonymous, then he cannot cause trouble by breaking rules without consequence.

EDIT: i mistakenly posted twice very quickly without interruption. that was an accident, and it was not an attempt to bump this thread. i am obviously disoriented by the new forum hawtness, and REALLY jacked to see the new requirement for posting in optimatch. man, oh man, the threads about h3 mm just got better!

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Achronos

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I like the "Xbox Live members only" thing, such a nice detail. Thank you Achronos!

I have a question though, if a member without a linked gamertag tries to create a thread or a post what does the page tell him?

Or the fuction doesn't exist at all for that member?

[Edited on 01.30.2008 2:22 PM PST]

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Posted by: Achronos
No.

Posted by: The Last Templar
Do you have to play on the Gamer Tag?

no

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Well, I guess when Achronos said "Very soon" he meant today.

Very nice changes BTW. But perhaps might take a while to get used to.

  • 01.30.2008 5:17 PM PDT

Hi I'm RT and I like to argue!

FWIW, I think this particular change is for the best, because it does keep out of Optimatch people that really have no reason (or right, IMO) to be posting there. Linking a Gamertag is not a difficult thing to do.

  • 01.31.2008 7:59 AM PDT

Posted by: sesquipadelian
you may not have seen the serious spamming of threads, and you may not have noticed the effects of this change yet, but you will.
I think the requirement is a good thing by trying to keep Opti "clean" of BS. My point was I don't think it will make a "huge" impact on much of the discussions. Instead of people falling back to, "You don't have a linked GT" they will say "Your GT is hidden". This is a common theme on Bnet where one party tries to discredit another party based on H3 skill, member longevity or even education level. It is unavoidable no doubt and implementing things to discourage that is good but only time will tell how it really effects the level of discussion.

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This is a good thing, it will definitely cut down on the amount of spam and will improve the quality of posts on the threads. Its working too, if you dont log in with a valid linked account it wont allow you to reply at all.

  • 01.31.2008 8:24 AM PDT
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It's a great move and gets my respect, sure it won't totally clear up the forum overnight but it is a strong action that sends a good message. If bungie intend to take optimatch discussion and player's thoughts and experiences seriously there (which I think they do, in their way) then this can be nothing other than a good thing and nobody can argue against it IMO.

  • 01.31.2008 8:58 AM PDT
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I like to Rollick

I think it should be changed to gold since you can't play Matchmaking with a silver account.

Although it could be a little tricky to enforce I think that if you get banned for something in optimatch you should also get your gamertag banned, but that is only effective if the standard is raised to gold accounts only. So it's not feasible right now.

  • 01.31.2008 11:03 AM PDT

Posted by: Sketto
Although it could be a little tricky to enforce I think that if you get banned for something in optimatch you should also get your gamertag banned, but that is only effective if the standard is raised to gold accounts only. So it's not feasible right now.
You can't give non Bungie or MS employees control over someone's Live account or even H3 MM. You do mean H3 MM only though right and not all of Xbox Live?

The Opti forum on a game developers website is important and all but your actions there should not be all encompassing over your whole Xbox Live account. I hate stupid peeps too but if I got a blacklist for posting something a mod may deem spam/off topic or inflammatory in some way and I couldn't get on Live, I would come unglued and not even bother to post here. Keep in mind, I have had this account for a while and never had a warning or ban but what you are suggesting is a little too much.

  • 01.31.2008 11:13 AM PDT

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