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Subject: Flood Forum??? Why the change in name?
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Posted by: stosh
I'll fix this.

Wow. I've done something useful for once!

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Posted by: Styles P
"Deface the flood community" dude... it's just a sub-forum on bungie.net. Stop trying to fraction the community, all the flood forum is, is a forum for non-Bungie topics. It isn't a place for "floodians" or whatever you call yourselves.

I don't know if you have had accounts before your current one or not, but The Flood is practically a complete sub community of B.net.


QFT. If you think the Halo 3 community completely represents the Bungie community, then Bungie has a poor one.


Yes. Whether you hate The Flood or love it you can't deny that's it's basically a group. Flood Forum besides being a horrible name just kills it's feel I guess.

[Edited on 01.31.2008 5:10 AM PST]

  • 01.31.2008 4:48 AM PDT

I am a Floodian

Posted by: Death v1
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It's personally not a huge deal to me but why deface The Flood community? Flood Forum just sounds really bad and the font used also looks bad. Anyone else agree wih me?


I dont think there should be a flood community in the first place. I think there should be a bungie.net community, nothing more nothing less. Personally I refer to pezz and his infinite hate
of all things no life / hormone / floodian.

Personally, I wish they would just change the name to Off Topic Forum, just to get rid of the term Floodian. I dont see the point behind going on to a bungie forum, and not talking about anything remotely related to bungie. The flood to me is simply an area where the people who nobody liked in the other forums go to have cliques and feel better about themselves.

I could be wrong, but thats simply how I feel.

The problem is, The Flood is a more tightly knit community that The Maw(which exploded when their name was removed). Also, The Flood is much more inflammatory and numerous, as well as perhaps a bit dense.

If someone did that, there would probably be some hell to pay.

  • 01.31.2008 5:48 AM PDT

I am a Floodian

Posted by: Death v1
*snip*


So we should stop making site changes that people might not like because there would "be some hell to pay," get real. What are they going to do? Complain? I mean really who cares?
Considering some are already complaining about it simply being "Flood forum"(rightly so). I would figure that they would complain.

You are right about your assessment of the flood, which I think is part of the problem in the first place. Why do we need to cater to that type of person? Personally I don't think we do.
The Halo 3 forum seems to be catered to all the time.

If bungie were to simply link to another forum for everyone to go to with their off topic nonsense I have a feeling it would do this site a LOT of good. They would have to worry far less about these dense people, they could focus on what this site is actually for, and there would be far less problem individuals, less moderation to be done, less h3 forum/flood attacking nonsense, etc.

It seems like from any objective standpoint, bungie getting rid of the flood and replacing it with a link to another forum would probably benefit this site in many ways.

Oh, how dare you be in the same forum with people you consider "dense." Look you pompous -blam!-, just because you don't enjoy making cheap laughs, doesn't mean your the equivilent to Albert Einstein. Seriously, for a forum that preaches against elitism so much, this forum preaches through it's own actions more for it than any other forum.

And don't tell me it's objective. I know it's not. It's completely obvious how, when a Floodian makes a Flood related activity here, he is called elitist, and bigoted for not letting other members play. However, when the Setagon member makes one, only containing moderators, and Septagon regulars, he is praised for letting members from every forum participate. Never mind that when the Floodian made the thread, it was related to prior events, never mind that if someone was actually part of the community, they would also be in The Flood and would have been given a chance to join.

So before you self righteous -blam!-s who stupid and inflammatory I'm being.

^^
Told you so.


It seems like from any objective standpoint, bungie getting rid of the flood and replacing it with a link to another forum would probably benefit this site in many ways.

[Edited on 01.31.2008 6:15 AM PST]

  • 01.31.2008 6:13 AM PDT

I am a Floodian

Posted by: Death v1
Rightly so? Are they owed a debt of forum naming? No.


Yes, because they do add to the community. I think changing the word "Forum" to "The" shouldn't be that hard.

*snip*halo 3 forum *snip*
Okay, so because the 12 year old got his mom to spend 60 dollars he now has the priviledge of spamming, and flaming incesently and then yelling to everyone about how terrible the game he constantly plays is. Not only that but any gripe they make is listened to.

Make new maps - done
Give us Recon - if your awesome enough, done.
"Fix" the melee - maybe
Change the weapon layout because I suck with a gun - done

The Flood/The Maw: Can we get our old forum name back? - Hell no

Oh, how dare you be in the same forum with people you consider "dense." Look you pompous -blam!-, just because you don't enjoy making cheap laughs, doesn't mean your the equivilent to Albert Einstein. Seriously, for a forum that preaches against elitism so much, this forum preaches through it's own actions more for it than any other forum.

You do know that you used the term dense first right, and I was simply referring to your post?


Did I. Could have sworn I read it somewhere. I make errors like this by accident when i start to rant.

Wait... it wasn't a mistake.
Posted by: Death v1
If bungie were to simply link to another forum for everyone to go to with their off topic nonsense I have a feeling it would do this site a LOT of good. They would have to worry far less about these dense people, they could focus on what this site is actually for, and there would be far less problem individuals, less moderation to be done, less h3 forum/flood attacking nonsense, etc.

It seems like from any objective standpoint, bungie getting rid of the flood and replacing it with a link to another forum would probably benefit this site in many ways.

What I said is that they may perhaps be a bit dense. It was impossible for me to tell that you were referencing my post as there were no quotations around the word dense, thus showing you wre quoting me. Sorry for the misunderstanding.


And don't tell me it's objective. I know it's not. It's completely obvious how, when a Floodian makes a Flood related activity here, he is called elitist, and bigoted for not letting other members play. However, when the Setagon member makes one, only containing moderators, and Septagon regulars, he is praised for letting members from every forum participate. Never mind that when the Floodian made the thread, it was related to prior events, never mind that if someone was actually part of the community, they would also be in The Flood and would have been given a chance to join.

Which is the COMMUNITY forum, for COMMUNITY activities? So which one should be the place for said activities? Mhmm. Every sign up I've seen has been first come first serve, except in the flood, where the OP threw in his buddies, who later said, wait I cant play whyd you put me in here. Which seems more fair? Me making a community activity and automatically throwing in my friends, or me making a community activity and going first come first serve?

Actually, since you obviously don't know how that activity came about, or how your own games are run I'll tell you.
1. It was started by Gamerz Property and later turned into the official Friday Fragfest. It was designed to get some members of The Flood together for some games of Halo 3.
2. during the course of eleven games, The Flood representatives played the intrawebz for good sport, and went undefeated. This got the players thinking.
3. It was pretty well decided that The Flood should organize a game against the mods as it seems that The Flood and the modz are butting heads anyway, however no one acted on it.
4. Sword and Scales finally acted and made the game. Though, he didn't warn anyone about the game before hand, so that caused the general confusion. However, there was an overwhelming level of support from forum members for the project.
5. However, as soon as the game was created, it was instantly created for not letting members of the forum, who in no way were related to the event, join. When members who participated in the original even tried to explain they were instantly called elitist because they wouldn't let the members join.
6. Then, while The Flood game was still up and trying to gain some momentum after practically spontaneously combusting from all the flames that were thrown at it, a new, "community game" was made. While The Flood members were still trying to explain, Community forum regulars praised the new activity as open to the entire forum. Even though many slots had already been filled before the thread was posted.
7. These activities still run strong. Though there are in fact some games where only certain members can join. One thread I personally saw required that the member be the rank of Colonel in Halo 3 matchmaking to join in the "community" game.

The Flood didn't set restrictions other than you had to know about it. It wasn't created for the entire community, and everyone who was trying to plan it tried to explain it. However, it was constantly berated for elitism.


It seems like from any objective standpoint, bungie getting rid of the flood and replacing it with a link to another forum would probably benefit this site in many ways.

Kinda messed up this part, unless you are agreeing, I havent seen you contest this statement anywhere.

I find it utterly amazing that people can complain so much about something they are gifted. The flood is an extra, youve done nothing to earn it, it serves no real purpose that couldnt be done more easily somewhere else, etc.

However, the members of The Flood have chosen this forum, just like the members of the Halo 3 forum have chosen this website. Also, many members of The Flood also have Halo 3, I'll say a good 80%+ of them. Since they helped Bungie earn money, according to your logic they should also be cated to.

Also, there really are few sites that have been dedicated to off topic diologue. The most prevalent is 4chan. However, as well all know, that place sucks. No one really wants to go, or be forced to go. Also, by completely moving the forum to another site, all you would do is shrink and weaken a sub community that has created it's own groups, declared war(unfortunately), created artwork, and written a great number of stories.

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Posted by: stosh
I'll fix this.

Oh yeah and Stosh caused this. :)


yay!

[Edited on 01.31.2008 3:50 PM PST]

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Posted by: Death v1
It seems like from any objective standpoint, bungie getting rid of the flood and replacing it with a link to another forum would probably benefit this site in many ways.


lol how many times have you tried to marginalize the flood and how many times did they work?

  • 01.31.2008 3:53 PM PDT

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I wanted to call the forum "Short Bus"... but alas, sometimes one can be too honest.

Just kidding! Mostly...

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Rabble, rabble, rabble!


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There does seem to be some of the less intelligent ppl in their sometimes. Also sometimes theirs extremely intelligent ppl in their.

I'm nicely in the middle.

  • 01.31.2008 4:01 PM PDT

I am a Floodian

Posted by: Styles P
Posted by: squirrel dude
Okay, so because the 12 year old got his mom to spend 60 dollars he now has the priviledge of spamming, and flaming incesently and then yelling to everyone about how terrible the game he constantly plays is. Not only that but any gripe they make is listened to.
Ahh, generalizations. That makes your argument sound intelligent.

Make new maps - done
Give us Recon - if your awesome enough, done.
"Fix" the melee - maybe
Change the weapon layout because I suck with a gun - done

The Flood/The Maw: Can we get our old forum name back? - Hell no
I wonder what any of that has to do with the forum in general, those are changes made to the game since enough of the online community (players) beyond just the Halo 3 Forum requested it.

Stop acting as if the off topic forum is some kind of infamous underground community within bungie.net, that's absolutely retarded.

Yeah. I seems my intelligence level shrinks enormously when I get angry. It's quite sad honestly.

ADD + short temper + annominity = problems.

  • 01.31.2008 4:02 PM PDT

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I think keeping it "Flood Forum" is just fine. I could care less if some specific group feels all betrayed.

In fact, I giggle at the thought.

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Posted by: Achronos
I wanted to call the forum "Short Bus"... but alas, sometimes one can be too honest.

Just kidding! Mostly...


I'd have come to the US and given you a hug had you done that.

  • 01.31.2008 4:55 PM PDT

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I wanted to call the forum "Short Bus"... but alas, sometimes one can be too honest.

Just kidding! Mostly...

Oh god, here it comes...

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Rabble, rabble, rabble!

*Facepalms*
Watch it Tom, I see what you did there!

  • 01.31.2008 5:02 PM PDT

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By the way, whoever previously said something along the lines of "What's so hard about changing "Forum" to "The"?" pretty much proved a certain point. >_>

Not saying what that point is. But you can figure it out yourself. I hope.

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Probably not.

  • 01.31.2008 5:04 PM PDT
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6. Then, while The Flood game was still up and trying to gain some momentum after practically spontaneously combusting from all the flames that were thrown at it, a new, "community game" was made. While The Flood members were still trying to explain, Community forum regulars praised the new activity as open to the entire forum. Even though many slots had already been filled before the thread was posted.
7. These activities still run strong. Though there are in fact some games where only certain members can join. One thread I personally saw required that the member be the rank of Colonel in Halo 3 matchmaking to join in the "community" game.


That's actually untrue, and biased as well - that is, if you're referring to muffin man one's Mods v. Members game like I'm assuming you were. I remember that little incident well.

Remember that muffin man one had previously hosted at least one mods vs. mems games prior to that occasion. So it was nothing even close to a copy. And I remember both games being organized on the same day. I'm pretty sure that the Septagon's game was announced first, but that doesn't even matter. The point is that they were independent events. muffin man definitely didn't host the event to sabotage the Flood's game.

And for even more clarification, the thread in the Septagon was open to everyone. No one besides the OP was signed up prior to the thread being made. It was first-come, first-served (I remember because I was the first reply). And this forum isn't its own community. It's not restrictive. To be even more fair, those games now select players randomly.

Concerning Coffey's Community Humpday...well, that has gotten a lot of grief. The event that you recall that had a rank restriction was highly contested, and the game eventually became open to everyone.

I felt obliged to mention those things for clarification.

However, I must also mention that The Flood obviously should not be removed, and with that I agree with you, squirrel dude. The reason why these whole forums are a real community and not just some jerks flaming each other (with obvious exception to one particular forum) is because we have so much freedom to talk about almost anything.

That being said, I must say that I think the forums as a whole are really what makes up the community here. Not just one in particular. There is quite a large subgroup in The Flood, but the forum isn't set aside for just them. Anyone can participate in that forum and be welcome assuming that they're a good boy or girl.

I'd say that the name change wasn't great - not because it hurts some community, but mainly because the old way is just so nostalgic and a lot of members here really feel close to the name. Plus, "Flood Forum" might imply that flooding is allowed.
We wouldn't want that.

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I wanted to call the forum "Short Bus"... but alas, sometimes one can be too honest.

Just kidding! Mostly...

Posted by: Bungie is Boss
Rabble, rabble, rabble!


Short Bus would be hilarious. I think I'd find myself going to that forum more often. Wait, did I just imply....dang it.

  • 01.31.2008 5:10 PM PDT

I am a Floodian

I didn't mean to imply that Muffin man wanted to sabotage the game. What I meant to show was how the Septagon reacted to each event completely differently.

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Posted by: Achronos
I wanted to call the forum "Short Bus"... but alas, sometimes one can be too honest.

Hahahah that would have been priceless.

  • 01.31.2008 5:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: squirrel dude
I didn't mean to imply that Muffin man wanted to sabotage the game. What I meant to show was how the Septagon reacted to each event completely differently.


I don't necessarily that think that's true.
The events in both forums were heavily criticized.
The difference of course, was that the Flood's event was criticized more - or, at least, more harshly - and as a result of this, combined with news of the Septagon's event, fell apart.

Either way, it was worse for The Flood.

  • 01.31.2008 5:22 PM PDT

It doesn't really matter what the forums are officially called. We can still call them whatever we want (Septagon, anyone?).

I realize that change can appear less than spectacular initially, but just sleep on it. After a certain point, all these "OMG tehs forumz iz diffrnt!" threads get ridiculous.

Heh heh, Short Bus, Heh heh.

  • 01.31.2008 5:23 PM PDT
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This thread is -blam!- pointless. Believe me when I say that after several months not a single goddamn person is going to give two -blam!-s that the forum had a 5 letter name change addition. It'd be the same if it started with the "the Flood forum" and degenerated into "The Flood". Some random user would complain about the change while it in no way shape or form affected the integrity of anything on this website. For a joke, you should put random Greek letters in instead of the word forum, just to -blam!- with people.

Actually, I endorse the use of random letters.

[Edited on 01.31.2008 5:39 PM PST]

  • 01.31.2008 5:38 PM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
I wanted to call the forum "Short Bus"... but alas, sometimes one can be too honest.

Just kidding! Mostly...

Posted by: Bungie is Boss
Rabble, rabble, rabble!
I must agree. I do enjoy roadtrips with The Flood.

  • 01.31.2008 5:50 PM PDT

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