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Posted by: Aznb01p
Well it really depends. I mean let's say their is a member that did wrong in the past but now is recognized for his heplful and constructive posts. Then maybe you could watch that member for a while and see if he deserves a "trust-up"

I certainly don't doubt that the system has this capability, but on the whole I believe the system is automated. I can't say I have seen what you speak of in action, but maybe some members have seen their title jump up a notch and can attest to it.

edit: Free_Twitch, settle down on the posts man, haha. 14 "last posts" on the front page are from you. Posting a whole lot isn't going to bump up your title, so just slow it down a bit.

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  • 03.01.2008 8:39 PM PDT
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"There is nothing impossible to him who will try" -Megas Alexandros

No here it doesn't matter your rank there are a few Mythic members but only guys like Duard0 are very well known here nobody knows how it works the only person who can positively tell you exactly how it works would probably be the guy who designed Bungie.net but so far people who helped others and are away from the jerk corner and respect the rules whether they are Mythic, Heroic or legendary will gained a trust specially if you want to make the community better people will know you.

Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character shows people who you are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are.

  • 03.01.2008 8:43 PM PDT
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Posted by: Aznb01p
Well it really depends. I mean let's say their is a member that did wrong in the past but now is recognized for his heplful and constructive posts. Then maybe you could watch that member for a while and see if he deserves a "trust-up"

I certainly don't doubt that the system has this capability, but on the whole I believe the system is automated. I can't say I have seen what you speak of in action, but maybe some members have seen their title jump up a notch and can attest to it.


Yes, but I'm saying make the trust system like an airplanes auto-pilot. You could put it on "auto-trust" for however long, but if you choose to modify a select person or such you go into"manual-trust".

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"There is nothing impossible to him who will try" -Megas Alexandros

Nice and Simple, it's automated all the ranks and everything it's all automated but when you help others then Bungie.net people will keep and eye on you and if you keep helping then the people from Bungie.net will give you trust.

  • 03.01.2008 8:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: wolf10123
Nice and Simple, it's automated all the ranks and everything it's all automated but when you help others then Bungie.net people will keep and eye on you and if you keep helping then the people from Bungie.net will give you trust.


Any particular reason you're posting in all bold?

  • 03.01.2008 8:48 PM PDT

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Posted by: Aznb01p
Yes, but I'm saying make the trust system like an airplanes auto-pilot. You could put it on "auto-trust" for however long, but if you choose to modify a select person or such you go into"manual-trust".

I see what you're saying, really I do. What I'm saying is that the majority of the titles are likely chosen by the "auto-trust" system, and it is certainly possible in select circumstances that a "manual-trust" system may be used.

However the only person who truly knows is Achronos and frankly I hope it stays that way.

  • 03.01.2008 8:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Boozel
If people were to know how it worked, they would try to cheat the system just like in Hal2 when people bridged.

Exactly, which is why it will remain a secret known only to Achronos.

  • 03.01.2008 8:54 PM PDT

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I am thrilled to see that you guys are haveing a discussion about this topic, but is there any particular reason why this was dug up?

  • 03.01.2008 10:32 PM PDT
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You honestly believe that its a manual method, or that manual ratings even plays a part of it? How subjective wouldnt that be? Another thing people seem to believe is that quality of posts has something to do with it, yeah if quality means sticking to the rules otherwise no. Theres no system in the world capable of determining whether a post or thread is of quality or not, Bungie in all glory but its not freaking NORAD. To base quality on amount of replies would just be insane since we all know that the most popular threads are those filled with spam and chatter.

That leaves us to join date (which seems to have been pushed forward), lack of warnings/bans and perhaps a linked gamertag and chapter involvement.

Edit: This is oh so odd, the moment I posted this I got bumped up to Legendary.

I believe

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  • 03.01.2008 10:54 PM PDT

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This thread wan't about what I thought about how I think how the trust system works, it was to see others opinions on how they think it works. And maybe along the way some hint of tru7h may be discovered. I personally don't think its a completely automated system, you're right its not like skynet is monitering these forums. But I do believe that there is an option for manuel input by the people who have the power to do so to a certain extent.

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  • 03.01.2008 11:01 PM PDT

Posted by: wolf10123
Think about it this way CG (Cryptic Guardian), Foman, and Duard0 have gained Bungie's and the communities trust because they helped them and it had nothing to do with their ranks or if they knew forum ninjas. [/b]

Haha

Also, the way you bold all your posts is really obnoxious. Please to stop.

EDIT: It just occurred to me that you might be a very well-conceived troll. If so, hats off. If not, stop being a dill.

[Edited on 03.01.2008 11:14 PM PST]

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Posted by: Panzershreke
But I do believe that there is an option for manuel input by the people who have the power to do so.

Wel I guess that Achronos and his gang can do whatever they like seeing that theyre changing member titles for the web cam people and theme masters but I dont think theyre getting involved with changing normal member titles from one to the other.[/run on sentence]

I dont think the mods have these tools and I´m pretty darn sure that there isnt some rate button. And by sure I mean as sure as anyone whos guessing can be.

  • 03.01.2008 11:20 PM PDT
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The End

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"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there."

Off topic a little yes as most points have already been covered.

Could the people posting in bold and or underlining all their text please stop. It is as bad as typing your whole post in ALL CAPS and gives me the impression you think that what you're trying to say is more important than anyone else. It isn''t. Stop it.

Cheers.

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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

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Posted by: Leborsnack
The ninjas do administer trust. Achronos told me personally.

Oh, please. No one's going to believe that Achronos told you that...

...

Heck, with all my bribes, I should be Mythic by now. Clearly that's not how it works.
Uh, my screen is showing that you ARE Mtyhic now. Nice work with the bribes, Zag :-)

Oh, and to remain on topic... I agree with all the others who stated that the method should remain a secret. As a result, I will not speculate on the specifics and I encourage others not to as well. Achronos states that is is "way" more complicated than just length-of-membership-and-not-getting-banned, and that's good enough for me. I will not speculate further. Though I can understand the desire to do so, I don't think it's a good idea.

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  • 03.02.2008 1:00 AM PDT

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Each user has two numbers assigned to him - base_trust_rating and trust_modifier. They are calculated by examining the history of your account and weighting each data point by a certain value according to a formula that nobody knows but me. This system is entirely automatic. The moderators can affect it in as much that they hand out bans and warnings, but those are just data points that are part of the math. One of the things you get from trust ratings is member titles. They are assigned based on the "tier" of trust your account is in relative to the highest possible trust value for that day (that amount is variable, as the system is not zero sum).

People claiming to know details of the system are talking out of their ass and would do well to stop before I ban them for impersonating Bungie.net staff. Even the moderators do not have details.

Trust ratings are intended to be used as positive reinforcement for good behavior. A low trust value is not a sign of a lower member (the titles aren't ranks, they're just titles). However, they have been shown to be VERY accurate predictors of behavior... remarkably so.

Posted by: Bapabooiee
Explain the context of this said "trust". You make it sound like "trust" is a variable of some sort here.

  • 03.02.2008 2:27 AM PDT

OK, it looks like I just got owned by Achronos. I don't remember this post, but I think I was trying to make a pun or something. But thanks for clearing that up, Tom.

*produces syringe*

*administers trust*

EDIT: But yeah, it kinda sounds similar to the TrueSkill system =P

[Edited on 03.02.2008 3:33 AM PST]

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Posted by: Achronos
However, they have been shown to be VERY accurate predictors of behavior... remarkably so.
Predictors is the key word. I personally think the system still needs to be refined. I was banned because my brother was banned and we share a computer giving me a lovekly message from the soul about Alt accounts, this was back at the end of Jan. Because of this short ban I lost my Heroic Member status without having done anything wrong, the ban was reduced to one day by Recon Number 54 and yet that one day ban has kept the title stripped for just over a month. I got the title on New Years Day (before it became easier to have a member title), lost it less than a month later, how can a small ban have so much influence and not be made up with continuous good behavior a month later especially when it has become easier to become a Heroic, Legendary and mythic member (which went from 13 people to 200!)?

  • 03.02.2008 5:56 AM PDT

Someone said that being a jerk makes you go down to legendary status; it didn't work for me.

Clearly being a jerk is encouraged.

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And the Shadow fell upon the Land, and the World was riven stone from stone. The oceans fled, and the mountains were swallowed up, and the nations were scattered to the eight corners of the World. The moon was blood, and the sun was as ashes. The seas boiled, and the living envied the dead. All was shattered, and all but memory lost, and one memory above all others, of him who brought the Shadow and the Breaking of the World. And him they named Dragon.

Posted by: Reiginko
Someone said that being a jerk makes you go down to legendary status; it didn't work for me.

Clearly being a jerk is encouraged.

You just didn't try hard enough.

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so i will add another question within this..... when members with heroic title went back and so on so forth how did the system regenarate the trust and if you have already been a heroic member and lost it is it easier or harder to get back up to that member status?

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Posted by: Reiginko
Someone said that being a jerk makes you go down to legendary status; it didn't work for me.

Clearly being a jerk is encouraged.


Obviously -_-

  • 03.02.2008 6:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Achronos
People claiming to know details of the system are talking out of their ass


That would be...hard.

  • 03.02.2008 7:20 AM PDT