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Subject: Bungie Weekly Update: 02/08/08

Counter Strike FY Map Pack --> in my file share

Melee is still going to be flawed in my opinion, better, but still flawed.

I think melee should work like two players shooting rockets at each other. It doesn’t really matter where their shields are at, or who has more/less health, or who shot their rocket first/last. ALL that matters, is did each player do enough damage to kill their opponent. If so, then both die, but no one is awarded anything.

The same should go for melee. There is no need to award the kill to anyone. If someone is on the brink of death and enters a melee contents against someone with more health, but still manages to do the minimum amount of damage to get a kill, then both should still die. The player with more health doesn’t deserver the kill any more then the player on the brink of death. I realize that this will create a lot of simultaneous deaths, but honestly, if both players performed correct actions to get a kill, then both deserve a kill.

On another note, an average of 100ms lag, OMG!!! No wonder this game is so ridiculously inconsistent. Back when I played Counter Strike, I would refuse to play on servers with anything greater then 50ms lag. 100ms is pretty bad; Bungie should really consider implementing a damage recognition beep similar to that of Halo PC. Give us some in-game feedback on whether or not if we are connecting with our opponent, or just shooting at a delayed ghost image.

  • 02.08.2008 11:08 PM PDT
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100ms? WHAT A COP-OUT!

Australians average 250-300ms of ping to america.

This means if we beat down 200ms BEFORE the host we will still miss the battle! Bull-blam!- much?

No Team Snipers mention still?

<b>Just pinged Cogent in America and got an average of 200ms, with Google it is 260. Considering that they are high-end servers connected into the backbone of the internet think how bad average households in America would be. This melee system is going to be epic fail I can tell already.</b>

Back to CoD4.

[Edited on 02.09.2008 1:47 AM PST]

  • 02.08.2008 11:24 PM PDT
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a defection. CoD 4 how could you?
finally something is being done. keep
up the good work.
Ahh 1 more thing since its only 2 maps now i think
is it still gonna be $10.

  • 02.08.2008 11:30 PM PDT
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Good stuff but still the BR needs to get fixed.I've played H3 three days straight on LAN and shots were still not registering...Nobody complained about the H2 BR,just make it more accurate/fix the spread please.

  • 02.08.2008 11:38 PM PDT

Halo 1 > Halo 2 > Halo 3

I thought that the Commando Shoulders were unlocked with the "Killing Frenzy" achievement and not the "Steppin' Razor" achievement?

  • 02.09.2008 12:20 AM PDT
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"Next week, folks all over the world over will celebrate their love for one another with diamonds, chocolates, baguettes, romantic nights out and then wives and girlfriends will then proceed get headaches and go straight to bed after dinner, so what will the husbands do? Hopefully log in to Halo 3 and check out another one of those seasonal treats we’re putting together. "

I realize that women aren't a major component of the Halo3 players, but I think it might help every guy's secret cause of getting his wife/girlfriend to enjoy video games if you refrained from writing things that are insulting and exclusionary. Seriously, lady gamers have to put up with a lot of this crap from the people we play. I kind of expected more from someone who was writing an official update for the game. But nice work on the melee fix.

  • 02.09.2008 12:29 AM PDT
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If the melee system fails again I will not play halo anymore.

  • 02.09.2008 12:34 AM PDT

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Posted by: Primoboy360
I dont fully understand the melee thing
But I still think they need it to be the FIRST ONE WHO PULLS THE TRIGGER IS THE ONE WHO WINS. It's like....just they way it needs to be


Why so people can shoot "just enough" to have their opponents health down and then pwn them as they are worried about still trying to shoot?

Nah, besides... I trust bungie to make an awesome fix.

does OK Corral sound anything like Ivory Tower to you?

  • 02.09.2008 12:49 AM PDT
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Great! Take the idiots by surprise by using big words! Thank you Bungie, thank you Mister Green, thank everyone who'll shut the -blam!- up about melees, Bungie selling out to MLG, "wtf noskilz", and general "dear God a faulty pixel" dip -blam!-s.

  • 02.09.2008 12:52 AM PDT

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Sounds fair to me.

Then again, the original H3 system seemed fair to me.

I'll just have to remember to shoot them a lot more from now on so i don't die as well!

  • 02.09.2008 1:11 AM PDT
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Nice you made a "fix"...
The melee is still too strong, IMO (friends' opinion too) it should take average 3 hit to kill the opponent, the weapons would ofc affect how many hits, like the magnum would 4 or so.

I predict that after the AU there'll be alot funny videos where people trade kills again and again...

EDIT Who said 100ms is bad? Only elitist think that. I played BF1942... most server had 250ms or so, that was around average, and that was rather good. If you got to server which had 150ms...
150ms-250ms is nothing IMO, i can play those fine. OK i know, Halo i alot faster game than BF so less latency IS ALOT BETTER but thinking that latency must be <50ms is ridiculous... go play LANs if you want as low latency as possible.

EDIT2 ... who decided that 100ms is used in melee calculatios (or so... need to hurry writing)????? 200 it should bE!

[Edited on 02.09.2008 1:35 AM PST]

  • 02.09.2008 1:25 AM PDT
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No, it should be 300 at least.

OR they could add an option to matchmake only with people from your country.

"Best Connection" is not always best connection. A while ago I was playing LW on BC and had a hefty 3 minute respawn time which cost me the game. Wouldn't happen in CoD4 as you decide when to respawn.

[Edited on 02.09.2008 1:39 AM PST]

  • 02.09.2008 1:38 AM PDT

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.
- Edmund Burke

Huzzah! Melee Fix :D

I hope the release of the AU brings a lot of the 'disenfranchised' halo players back... I know I will be playing more regularly once it is up. Halo just wasn't fun anymore, but hopefully that changes!

  • 02.09.2008 1:46 AM PDT
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Exactly why I left. Getting -blam!- over EVERY SINGLE Melee does NOT make it a fun game. Sure, I will come back to play for a while after the update but if it is -blam!- my disc is getting frisbied across my room and CoD4 will take back its rightful home (in my disk tray).

  • 02.09.2008 1:48 AM PDT

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Hmm...sounds better, but I'm still not convinced its much better than the unpolished turdling that the meele system is at the moment. Halo 2's meele system worked fine. If it aint broke, don't fix it.

Obviously I'll have to see for myself how well it plays but if it's still poor, I'm selling Halo 3 and at least getting some of my hard earned money back. I'm fed up with it.

  • 02.09.2008 2:18 AM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
I blame stosh.


Proud tester of the Halo 3 beta.

Great update! Can't wait for the new maps!

  • 02.09.2008 2:21 AM PDT
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I realize that women aren't a major component of the Halo3 players, but I think it might help every guy's secret cause of getting his wife/girlfriend to enjoy video games if you refrained from writing things that are insulting and exclusionary. Seriously, lady gamers have to put up with a lot of this crap from the people we play. I kind of expected more from someone who was writing an official update for the game. But nice work on the melee fix.

lol.

lukems got pwned!

  • 02.09.2008 3:44 AM PDT
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"Nobody makes me bleed my own blood"

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<============ That was a great update, but I am a little worried that they failed to mention anything about why halo is selecting bad hosts in custom games and matchmaking lately =============>

[Edited on 02.09.2008 4:25 AM PST]

  • 02.09.2008 4:24 AM PDT
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WOW this melee "fix". Sounds like you guys are just kicking something while it's already down. It's basically the same as before except "for an added bonus" you can both die instead of one of you winning. I can't tell you how many people will be pissed after being killed at the same time as the other player. THIS IS EXTREMELY -blam!-! So much worse than what it was.

  • 02.09.2008 5:27 AM PDT

To Bungie:


Why not show us our -blam!- health.

The End.

  • 02.09.2008 5:56 AM PDT
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Still flawed :P

  • 02.09.2008 6:02 AM PDT
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for the elite in the pic about commando, does he have all commando armour? does anyone know where that pic is taken? sweet picture

  • 02.09.2008 6:32 AM PDT
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good to see them fix the melee, and good to see things like Double team BR's coming around but what about the BR spread damn it? movement speed? those two things are hugely important into making halo 3 not a piece of crap.


these new maps need to be really good, but chances are they wont be.

  • 02.09.2008 6:48 AM PDT
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you guys just SHUT UP, you should all be happy that bungie is making an update, sure the melee was different from halo 2 but i was still good. your crys have been anwsered and your still complining. will nothing make all of you happy?!?!

P.S: great update bungie, hope to get more info for it next week :D

  • 02.09.2008 7:32 AM PDT