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I am being serious here...I really would enjoy feedback from the rest of the community as this new stipulation pertains to the majority of the users.

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While this is a fairly old topic, I will still reply since I did not get a chance to yesterday. And mind you, this will be fairly blunt, and for that I apologize.

The fact is, you broke a rule. A rule is a rule, no matter how inane and idiotic it seems. You, broke that rule. By posting a certain thread in the wrong forum. As for the linked gamertag, well, that isn't the moderators problem. They do what they do, because they think it's right. If you feel any warning, or ban for that matter, is unjust, take it up with a Master Forum Ninja, and if they can't do anything for you; take it up with Achronos. Don't post it in the public forums as you did so here.

Now, that I have that out of the way, I would like to comment on the 'why?' bit, concerning optimatch. The big reason why Optimatch is now for only linked gamertags, is because there was a fairly large amount of alternate accounts, which would allow someone to escape a ban and still post. Now, with having to have a linked gamertag, the topic of alternate accounts, and alternate accounts all together in the Optimatch Forum, have dwindled to few to none.

Basically, it is a very smart way to 'stop' alternate accounts from being created and posting in the Optimatch Forum. As well, another large point as to why this is the case, is because some people believe that those who don't have a linked gamertag, have no say in any matter concerning matchmaking.

Mind you, these are just my ideas; and may or may not be the true reasoning being this.

  • 02.07.2008 11:49 AM PDT
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Rokit, thank you for posting.

Now to respond to your post, I did try to take it up with the person who warned me and that person completely ignored me. That person should have at least pointed me in the direction of a more capable person to help but I was met with utter silence, for days. So I chose to post where I thought a little bit of attention might help progress the situation.

Secondly, this GT link does a lot more than hinder bad members and there is a far simpler way to do so: IP ban. It is as simple as that. Then the person who is disruptive in one forum will no longer disrupt any forum or this website. And I know for a fact IP bans can be done and are done to the most disruptive members. So this logic behind this required GT link is skewed. So I find this new requirement stupid, unless, there are other reasons that can account for it. I so far have not heard any compelling arguments.

~Chris

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Trying something once will increace your chances of success, because you tried it. Try someting twice, and your chances increase yet again - seeing as you've done it. Try something a few thousand times, and your chances of success is exponentially increased; this increase would likely provide success every time

IP bans don't work. Many people, myself included, have a dynamic IP; so it changes every once in a while. This would allow a user to become unbanned once their IP changes. Then, people whose IP changes to the banned IP; they would be banned for no apparent reason. I understand the logic with the IP bans, since I have seen it in action. However, it has a horrible dark side to it, and when something goes wrong; everything goes wrong.

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Remember Orion
Rokit, thank you for posting.

Now to respond to your post, I did try to take it up with the person who warned me and that person completely ignored me. That person should have at least pointed me in the direction of a more capable person to help but I was met with utter silence, for days. So I chose to post where I thought a little bit of attention might help progress the situation.

Secondly, this GT link does a lot more than hinder bad members and there is a far simpler way to do so: IP ban. It is as simple as that then the person who is disruptive in one forum will no longer disrupt any forum or this website. And I know for a fact IP bans can be done and are done to the most disruptive members. So the logic behind this required GT link is skewed. Unless there are reasons that can account for it. I so far have not heard any compelling arguements.

~Chris
Note that the "Bungie General" forum is meant to discuss general topics about Bungie LLC and old-school pre-Halo Bungie games, not anything you feel warrants discussion. Topics such as "have you heard anything about the next Bungie project" or "Bungie just hired a new programmer" or "how can I download Marathon?" are the appropriate ones for this forum.

To discuss Optimatch, you must use the Optimatch Forum. I suppose you could also post in the Halo 3 Forum if you do not have a linked gamertag. Unfortunately, you are in the minority as a person who wants to discuss Matchmaking without a linked gamertag. You should try to link it up again -- I know for a fact that you can link your gamertag to a Hotmail account because that's what mine is.

To conclude, IP bans do not work. You may know for a fact that they are done on other sites, but did you also know the fact that an IP ban is so easy to escape it can be done in about 30 seconds? Just reset your router and you are assigned a brand new IP address.

The reasons that Rokit outlined as the reasons to require a linked gamertag to post in Optimatch are compelling. That forum was a mess with a group of alternate account posters who mostly used the forum to stir up trouble and flame other users. As a result, discussions on hotly contested topics frequently dissolved into worthless threads filled with insults and crap.

The Optimatch Forum is frequently used by Bungie employees to solicit genuine feedback about Matchmaking. Unlike the other forums, it is less a place for discussion amongst other players and more a place where players can provide, almost directly to Bungie, their opinions on what is good and what is bad about Matchmaking. More than any other forum, those of us who wish to see the Community's ideal playlists and gametypes implemented or tweaked should realize that the Optimatch Forum needs the tightest control.

Requiring a person to "prove" that they are able to actually participate in Matchmaking seems like a very easy and small toll to pay in order to provide feedback in a place where we KNOW that Bungie employees with the ability to change things are watching. If you continue to have problems linking your gamertag, try posting a detailed post about the error messages that you are receiving in the Community Forum. Good luck!

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Rokit- I am not to knowledgeable about networking and I could be wrong, but your DNS address doesn't change and they could use this in place of an IP ban. Oh, and your location that can be looked at by the admin (I know I ran my own site before) could be another possible point to ban from or even be used in combination with an IP ban (ex. Guy with dynamic IP gets IP and location banned and they can no longer access the website as a member). Keep in mind these are theoretical idea's.

Foman- Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't Bungie adding a new playlist or returning an old playlist be considered a Bungie activity. Just to make it clear on what an activity is for you and Bungie:

ac·tiv·i·ty /ækˈtɪvɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ak-tiv-i-tee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ties.
1.the state or quality of being active: There was not much activity in the stock market today. He doesn't have enough physical activity in his life.
2.a specific deed, action, function, or sphere of action: social activities.
3.work, esp. in elementary grades at school, that involves direct experience by the student rather than textbook study.
4.energetic activity; animation; liveliness.
5.a use of energy or force; an active movement or operation.
6.normal mental or bodily power, function, or process.
7.Physical Chemistry. the capacity of a substance to react, corrected for the loss of reactivity due to the interaction of its constituents.
8.Physics.
a.the number of atoms of a radioactive substance that disintegrate per unit of time, usually expressed in curies.
b.radioactivity.
9.an organizational unit or the function it performs.
Quoted from dictionary.com

Now, I for one consider the act (a root of the word activity) of adding 1v1 to Halo 3 or the act of reimplementing 1v1 in Halo 2 an activity that Bungie is performing or might perform.

Now under the forum name it says: "General Bungie Chat and Activities"

I understand that that means current activities, but all I would have had to do is say:

"I heard a rumor that bungie was considering to add 1v1 to Halo 3, is this true?"

And just like that my topic would have been legal in the forum. So, I ask of you: Can you please explain why I would have had to be dishonest to make my thread legal and does the blame truly lie with me or with Bungie for not being as clear and as specific as they should/could have been?

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Can no one argue a counter point?

Also, I would like to say that I am not trying to dis Bungie or any of Bungie.net's members. I just find certain things silly and no one so far has been able to state a logical and sound reason for the required GT link.

~Chris

  • 02.09.2008 3:28 PM PDT

I would have to concur with how Foman worded it -- it's essentially twofold.

Firstly, and probably more pressingly, is that Bungie wants feedback on Matchmaking from people whom they know are playing the game. Secondly, requiring a linked Gamertag cuts down on the probability that someone will use alternate accounts to post on that forum, a problem which was particularly bad there.

If you were to ask whether or not I favored implementing a system whereby only linked users will be able to post in any forum? I would certainly agree that that would be silly. After all, you don't need a Gamertag to play Halos 1, 2 or 3, Halo PC or any of the classic Bungie games. However, you do need a Gamertag to play Halos 2 and 3 online, and since Optimatch is dedicated to online Matchmaking discussion, it is now restricted.

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Can no one argue a counter point?

Also, I would like to say that I am not trying to dis Bungie or any of Bungie.net's members. I just find certain things silly and no one so far has been able to state a logical and sound reason for the required GT link.

~Chris


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I would have to concur with how Foman worded it -- it's essentially twofold.

Firstly, and probably more pressingly, is that Bungie wants feedback on Matchmaking from people whom they know are playing the game. Secondly, requiring a linked Gamertag cuts down on the probability that someone will use alternate accounts to post on that forum, a problem which was particularly bad there.

If you were to ask whether or not I favored implementing a system whereby only linked users will be able to post in any forum? I would certainly agree that that would be silly. After all, you don't need a Gamertag to play Halos 1, 2 or 3, Halo PC or any of the classic Bungie games. However, you do need a Gamertag to play Halos 2 and 3 online, and since Optimatch is dedicated to online Matchmaking discussion, it is now restricted.



Ok, fine....

Here's how I see it.....

First, the forum Moderator should have used some courtesy and moved the post to the correct forum, then PM'd Remember Orion letting him know the error of his ways. That would have been the professional way to handle it. Also, the Mod should have replied to his PM regarding the thread as well (which Remember Orion claims he did not).

Secondly, if Bungie wants a forum specifically designed to solicit feedback about Optimatch, then it should state so in that particular forums' rules. For reference, here are the rules:

1. Optimatch Forum is to function as a direct line of communication from the fans to Bungie Studios. As such, posters will be expected to post and communicate like adults, that includes well-written, well-thought out posts using correct grammar and punctuation.

2. Subject lines for posts will include the complete topic to be discussed. Posts that are vague and/or cryptic in an attempt to get people to click through will be deleted and posters actioned against. Your subject is what we will see first and should serve as a thesis statement to your post. "So, Bungie..." is a pristine example of how not to post.

3. Any violation of these rules or rules of other sub-forums at Optimatch will result in bans that may include permanent removal of posting abilities. Bans will be a minimum of 14 days.

4. Arguments and heated discussions are acceptable, but the moment statements decrying or championing an opinion of someone else based on their relative skill/EXP level as the legs of their argumentative chair enter the discussion, the poster who brought said statements in will be removed.

5. Personal attacks will not be tolerated in any fashion. We don't care to read them and if we do, expect a dismissal.

6. Polls have minimal use in Optimatch. We're looking for constructive, well-thought out posts, not "click here if you want X map, gun, version of Cortana" to return.


Notice that nowhere does it say it is a forum used to solicit feedback about Optimatch; it is a forum designed for community members to discuss Optimatch, with Bungie, and among themselves. At least, that's what it seems to me; after all, ALL forums are meant for the use of the members to discuss topics of interest. On just about EVERY other forum site I've ever visited, the Mods are good about enforcing the rules, as well as moving topics to the proper forum should a member inadvertently post in the wrong forum. Getting a "warning" for posting in the wrong forum seems unprofessional to me. Also, note #6 regarding polls; then go look at the current number of polls in that forum; maybe the Mods should start doing their job. And for that matter, the forums' function is as a "direct line of communication from the fans to Bungie Studios...". Hmmmm......fans, not current players; not registered users with a GT; just fans (of the game).

So, if a member can't post in the correct forum due to GT link issues, or other "technical difficulties", where do they post? I would expect that they would post in the "General" forum, which on here is the Underground. That's what Remember Orion did. I don't see that he really did anything wrong.

Also, on the subject of requiring a GT link to your profile in order to post in the Optimatch forum: what about people that play H2 or H3 but (for some temporary reason) don't have an active GT? Does their opinion not count? They can't be allowed to discuss Optimatch? Or, what about former players that quit playing the game and no longer have a GT? They have no voice either? They may have excellent feedback based on their previous experiences.

Maybe I'm just on a different planet.

I will say this: both H2 and H3 suffer from serious issues related to the online gaming experience that could have been addressed during (or even after) development; such as stand-by-ing, leveling up, numerous glitches, host advantage, and a physics engine that is unrealistic, at best. Honestly, IMO, the online gaming experience for these games isn't all that great because of all these issues.

There's my 2 cents. I'd better go get my flamesuit now.....or be prepared to get banned for my opinion.


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Well DieselTech, there is only one point that I disagree with and I think you made several good points I myself did not make.

I disagree with your point about the engine of H2 and H3. Those engines are what make H2 stand out from other games.

I think that you add to and summarize my point very neatly.

~Chris

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Poll: GT link requirement to post in Optimatch-Agree/Disagree?  [closed]
Agree:  91%
(21 Votes)
Disagree:  9%
(2 Votes)
Total Votes: 23

Several days ago I created a thread in this forum where I hoped to discuss the prospect of reviving MM 1v1 and adding it to Halo 3. It only took a couple of minutes before my thread was locked and I received a warning:

Subject: Bungie.net Forum Moderator Warning
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You have been sent a warning from Achilles1108. This warning's text is below:

Halo 2 and Halo 3 matchmaking topics go in the Optimatch forum.
http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=17024087
I was displeased with this so I sent a message back and unfortunately I can't quote what I said because I am unable to access PM's that I have sent. I didn't receive a reply.

What really bothered me about this scenario though is that I tried to post the same thread in the correct forum (Optimatch) prior to posting it here and was unable to do so because my account isn't linked to a GT. So I tried to link my GT and found that because I use hotmail as my e-mail I was unable to link my GT for some security reasons. I am not exactly sure why though. Anyway, so I went to the next best forum: General Discussion. You know how that went...

I personally find this new requirement to post in the Optimatch forum unnecessary and silly. I would rather enjoy to here any responses anyone might have and I pray that this thread is posted correctly.

P.S.- I am also including a poll.

P.S.S.- Here is a link to my prior thread 1v1, Nay or Aye?

~Chris

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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Posted by: Remember Orion
Foman- Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't Bungie adding a new playlist or returning an old playlist be considered a Bungie activity. Just to make it clear on what an activity is for you and Bungie:

ac·tiv·i·ty /ækˈtɪvɪti/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ak-tiv-i-tee] [Dictionary quote omitted]

Now, I for one consider the act (a root of the word activity) of adding 1v1 to Halo 3 or the act of reimplementing 1v1 in Halo 2 an activity that Bungie is performing or might perform.

Now under the forum name it says: "General Bungie Chat and Activities"

I understand that that means current activities, but all I would have had to do is say:

"I heard a rumor that bungie was considering to add 1v1 to Halo 3, is this true?"

And just like that my topic would have been legal in the forum. So, I ask of you: Can you please explain why I would have had to be dishonest to make my thread legal and does the blame truly lie with me or with Bungie for not being as clear and as specific as they should/could have been?
Okay, I am respectfully correcting you because you are wrong. Bungie could have called the forum whatever it wanted to and still specified the topics of discussion. Like every internet forum in the world, it is your responsibility to read the forum rules or else risk disciplinary action. It is not Bungie's job to name the forum with specificity.

Please note that the forum rules for the Underground clearly state, "Hey fellow Bungie fans! Welcome to The Underground. This is the official home for general Bungie chat on Bungie.Net.

Anything that isn't about Halo's 1, 2 or 3 can be posted here."


For emphasis, the second post in the forum states, "There has been far too many Halo 3 related questions posted here and other inappropriate forums recently. This forum is not a first class mail service to Bungie.

Yes the Halo 3 forum moves quickly, but posting an off-forum topic just because of this is not appropriate."


In sum, the dictionary definition of "activity" has absolutely nothing to do with anything. The forum rules are clear. Topics about Bungie Studios and old school games are permissible in the Underground, while Halo 3 topics are not. As a result, your "example" post that you said would be permissible in the Underground Forum would also be in violation of the Forum Rules.

I'm sorry you were confused by the forum's title -- you are not the first, as the Underground Forum's rules have addressed. But I was just trying to explain the way it is to you. This is fact, not opinion, and so there is no "argument" to be made. Hope that clarifies things for you.

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Secondly, if Bungie wants a forum specifically designed to solicit feedback about Optimatch, then it should state so in that particular forums' rules. . . .

Notice that nowhere [in the Optimatch Forum's rules] does it say it is a forum used to solicit feedback about Optimatch; it is a forum designed for community members to discuss Optimatch, with Bungie, and among themselves. At least, that's what it seems to me; after all, ALL forums are meant for the use of the members to discuss topics of interest. . . .

And for that matter, the forums' function is as a "direct line of communication from the fans to Bungie Studios...". Hmmmm......fans, not current players; not registered users with a GT; just fans (of the game).

What about the very first rule in the set of rules that you quoted? "1. Optimatch Forum is to function as a direct line of communication from the fans to Bungie Studios. "

That seems crystal clear to me. Saying that the word choice of "fans" rather than "Optimatch users" somehow makes it NOT a place for feedback is a silly semantics argument. The Forum is designed for feedback about Optimatch, and it has ALWAYS served that purpose, ever since Halo 2. A single non-optimal word in the forum rules does not change that at all.

On just about EVERY other forum site I've ever visited, the Mods are good about enforcing the rules, as well as moving topics to the proper forum should a member inadvertently post in the wrong forum. Getting a "warning" for posting in the wrong forum seems unprofessional to me. Also, note #6 regarding polls; then go look at the current number of polls in that forum; maybe the Mods should start doing their job.

Please. The rule states that polls are of minimal use -- not that they are prohibited. If somebody wants to post a poll there about Optimatch playlists, they can do so, but they need to know that the poll results do not mean that Bungie is going to be persuaded to change something.

It is not up to regular members to determine when somebody should or should not receive a warning. A warning is not a ban -- it is simply a warning to stop breaking forum rules. There is no excuse for not having read the forum rules in any forum, and the Underground Forum is more-than-clear that Halo topics are prohibited.

So, if a member can't post in the correct forum due to GT link issues, or other "technical difficulties", where do they post? I would expect that they would post in the "General" forum, which on here is the Underground. That's what Remember Orion did. I don't see that he really did anything wrong.

Also, on the subject of requiring a GT link to your profile in order to post in the Optimatch forum: what about people that play H2 or H3 but (for some temporary reason) don't have an active GT? Does their opinion not count? They can't be allowed to discuss Optimatch? Or, what about former players that quit playing the game and no longer have a GT? They have no voice either? They may have excellent feedback based on their previous experiences.

Maybe I'm just on a different planet.
It's a bit odd that you would quote the Optimatch Forum rules and yet not read those of the Underground Forum.

The few people who actively play Halo 3 and yet are unable (not unwilling -- unable) to link a gamertag to their BNet account are free to discuss Matchmaking in the Halo 3 Forum. But the privilege of providing direct feedback to Bungie about Matchmaking topics comes with a small price to pay -- prove that you are someone who is able to give a valid opinion. This is no different from requiring somebody to prove that he or she is a citizen of a country before they are allowed to vote there. It's not an extra price to pay -- it's merely showing that you are able to contribute meaningfully rather than antagonize, spam, and troll the forum.

It is rather amazing that Bungie has provided this forum in the first place. Few gaming studios have provided such a direct link for feedback about fixes that should be or need to be made to a video game on an ongoing basis, yet the Optimatch Forum has been around for years. It is Bungie's prerogative to say "We want your feedback, but we want it in a controlled environment so that we can better listen to constructive comments without having to filter out spam and troll posts."

That would be fine with me even if I didn't have a linked gamertag.

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I love that idea of Optimatch forums being liked GT only.

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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

The rules in The Underground Forum state that discussions regarding Bungie belong there, while Halo topics belong in their respective forums. That means that you can discuss Bungie itself, and/or the "oldskool games". Anything, about any other subjects is off topic there. So, topics about matchmaking do not belong there. End of story.

We were told to send out a warning every time we lock a topic, so that users know why their topic was locked, and so they're reminded to read the rules thoroughly before creating another topic. I would not have moved that topic to the Optimatch either, since "Halo 3 1v1?" threads have been very prevalent in the Optimatch forums, and we simply don't need another one.

I'm strongly in favor of the linked WLID accounts only policy in the Optimatch forum. I personally thing that keeping the constant stream of perma-ban evading alternate accounts ruined every aspect of that forum, since their initial accounts were perma-banned for a reason (they simply don't seem capable of interacting civilly with one another). Being that people who play match making regularly are the ones whom Bungie asks for feedback in regards to the playlists, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with restricting to those who can prove that they at least have the capacity to play online. Perhaps its keeping a few community members out of the loop since they don't have linked GTs (although, since the dashboard update there is no real reason why one can't link their GT, aside from age restrictions, and looking at the bottom of every page on this site I think that negates those arguments nicely) is an unfortunate consequence, but I think keeping the trolls and spammers to a minimum in that forum is a great idea.

Weighing the pros and cons, I think that our current system is much better than the old one, because there are actual discussions in that forum now. Rather than almost every topic devolving into a petty pissing contest, or a bunch of pointless repeat topics about adding team snipers or whatever the flavor of that month was, Bungie is actually getting the feedback they need now. With what is likely to be frequent hopper updates, among other playlist related interaction, I think that Bungie has seen an improvement as well, and I think that totally seals the deal on linked GTs.

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Lets see...those are some well made points on behalf of Foman and EvilCam. But I still Disagree and here is why:

*When choosing to speak or to write a sentence one should consider the connotations of the words that they use so as to avoid simple mis-communications. Bungie should have carefully considered the words that they chose to describe each and every forum (especially since they are typing them and have LOADS of time to consider them). Using the word "fan" instead of using "X-Box Live User" was a mistake. In summation: Follow the Golden Rule - "Say what you mean and mean what you say."

*My thread wasn't supposed to turn into an argument about where I chose to post because I posted in The Underground knowing that I was posting in an incorrect forum. I tried to post in Optimatch and was unable to do so. So I posted in the next best place (BTW- If any of you would have looked at my original thread about 1v1 you would have noticed that my thread was about adding 1v1 to H2 and H3) The Underground. i will admit that I did not read the forum rules and I assumed that General meant exactly that general. Because of this I did not post in the H3 forum because to me that seemed more inappropriate.

*Finally, my main point was supposed to be that I was upset that a Forum Moderator did not take a little bit of time to reply to me and give me some conclusive answers. That in my opinion was wrong.

Now, I will probably not bother you any more as I can't post in the Forum where I would like to leave my feedback.

~Chris

  • 02.09.2008 8:18 PM PDT

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Well, there is no excuse for not reading the rules. No matter what, you should always read the rules before posting in the forum, or at least have a general idea of what they say. The moderator should have responded to you, but, quite frankly, you don't know why they didn't. Moderators are spammed with messages constantly, and spend enough time trying to keep the forums clean, let alone their inboxes. More than likely, he didn't not respond to you out of spite, but out of exhaustion or some other cause.

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SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

Well, I ask that you cut Achilles some slack. We receive quite a few PMs, and it takes time to go through them all. Also, we can only go through them when we're actually moderating. Its possible that he has not even logged on to read any PMs, because he's a very busy man in real life. Even though we agreed to take on a certain amount of responsibility when we were asked to help moderate the forums, real life takes precedence over virtual life every time.

If you've not gotten any replies after a few days, try PMing another moderator and asking them about it. If they don't respond try another one. We're all here to help, and I know that all the mods reply when someone asks them a pertinent question. It just takes time, depending on who you ask.

  • 02.09.2008 8:57 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

i agree with this. any optimatch regulars will notice the glaring absence of many accounts that caused trouble routinely. since people can no longer easily create an alt account to disrupt the optimatch forums, there have been markedly fewer violations of many rules. heck, from what i can guess (and this is merely blind conjecture), the most recent alt accounts of optimatch trouble makers are actually following the rules. they still appear to post in threads in a pack and they always agree about every topic, but they are doing so in a civil fashion.

the addition of the report feature and requiring a linked gt have been able to clean up the optimatch forum considerably. i think that both moves were great ideas.

to the op, it seems perfectly reasonable to require bnet members to link a gt in order to post their thoughts about h3 mm. this simply ensures that those who wish to have a voice have a stake in mm.

Posted by: evilcam
Weighing the pros and cons, I think that our current system is much better than the old one, because there are actual discussions in that forum now. Rather than almost every topic devolving into a petty pissing contest, or a bunch of pointless repeat topics about adding team snipers or whatever the flavor of that month was, Bungie is actually getting the feedback they need now. With what is likely to be frequent hopper updates, among other playlist related interaction, I think that Bungie has seen an improvement as well, and I think that totally seals the deal on linked GTs.

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Posted by: Remember Orion
I was displeased with this so I sent a message back and unfortunately I can't quote what I said because I am unable to access PM's that I have sent. I didn't receive a reply.
Did you reply to that PM? If so, you sent the PM to Disembodied Soul, who's an automated system.

You would have to actually go find Achilles' profile and send a PM that way. He would most likely respond if he receives a question.

  • 02.09.2008 9:47 PM PDT