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At 25,000 light years. You would need 9 rings to decimate the entire universe.

  • 06.13.2004 11:15 PM PDT
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Why is it installation 04 and not 4 becuase there are 13 count em 13 Halos.

[color="orange"]Dimensions of the Milky Way Galaxy:
* 100,000 ly diameter
* 300 ly thickness
* 16,000 ly radius bulge at the galactic center

The Milky way Galaxy can be considered a disk with a spherical bulge at the center. [/color]

[color="violet"]
Placement of Halos:
* 1 at the galactic center for the bulge
* 4 on the x-axis 25,000 ly from the galactic center
* 8 on the x-axis near the edged of the galaxy[/color]

[color="salmon"]4 is not enough to cover the galaxy, the Halos have a circular radius and the bulge would not covered. I have drawn to the placement of the Halos to scale and it takes 13.[/color]


[Edited on 6/13/2004 11:28:15 PM]

  • 06.13.2004 11:27 PM PDT
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This is good stuff. 25,000 light years in each direction would mean a sphere with a diameter of 50,000 light years, so maybe less than thirteen IF you assume the blast radius is a sphere. If it's flatter (which now that you mention it makes more sense due to Halo's ring shape), then yeah I can see it taking more.

As far as the comment about the 4/13/however many rings decimating the entire universe (in an earlier post by someone else), since the universe is 12 or so billion years old, that means it's 12 billion light years in each direction from the center. I think it would take a more than just a few rings at 25,000 ly to nuke everything.

As far as the TYPE of blast concerned, I would think it would be more of a radiation surge kind of thing, as in the invisible gamma/cosmic ray kind of thing (i.e. not some big fireball, and nevermind the fact you can't have fire without oxygen or some other oxidizing equivalent); it would make sense that radiation might not kill the flood since they already appear to be pretty mutated as is. The lethal dose of radiation would kill all life, but possibly the flood may be immune.

  • 06.14.2004 7:35 AM PDT
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Hedwig you beat me to it....

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EGM last year (last year may be wrong) Said there are many more ring worlds (HALOs)
1-10 i think

  • 06.14.2004 7:49 AM PDT
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But wouldn't it be impossible to but anything in the big bulge? Isn't like a Giant black hole or something?

  • 06.14.2004 7:59 AM PDT
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Maybe I'm just a knowitall noob but I heard from somebody on the 343 GS site that there were 7 Halo's in all, But I could be wrong.
Posted by: The Tomato
But wouldn't it be impossible to but anything in the big bulge? Isn't like a Giant black hole or something?
They think it's got a huge Black Hole because everything is being pulled toward it(they think) ; )
And I also read somewhere that the Halo's use large bursts of Gamma Radiation to kill of all life, like Halomasterr said.

[Edited on 6/14/2004 8:10:19 AM]

  • 06.14.2004 8:06 AM PDT
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yeh i said this in another post but the covenant's tech came from forerunners and they have powerful anti-grav technology so they could possibly resist even this black hole the other part of my post was about how quasars can emit giant waves of radiation when powered by the huge black holes at the centre of each galaxy can possibly power the forerunner's methods of dispersing the Halo's killing mechanism.(i couldn't think of a more scientific word then killing...)

  • 06.14.2004 8:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: MegaMarine
there are 3 more HALOs


wrong if you do some calculation in order to find out how many halos it would take to engulf the WHOLE miky way the number of halos will be se7en

which i think is correct cos bungie does regard se7en as an important number

note: the blast radius will overlap in some areas

info here (not by me)

http://nikon.bungie.org/misc/pd.halodata.html

[Edited on 6/14/2004 8:50:45 AM]

  • 06.14.2004 8:41 AM PDT
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Posted by: Hikaru 119
Hedwig you beat me to it....

Haha. We should start keeping track of how many times each of us sets people right about this question.

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Yeah the gamma radiation thing was a lucky guess on my part--it seemed reasonable enough.

I don't mind being set right at all here; I hadn't read the books and don't really plan to (I have WAY too much to read already); just wanted to brainstorm a little with the people whose only concern isn't whether the battle rifle should be in Halo 2.

The best way to learn is being wrong, so I'll take one for the team here. Good discussion.

  • 06.14.2004 10:22 AM PDT
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Actually...there are only 12 rings. I didn't figure this out mathematically, like you Hedwig, but it said somewhere in the books or the game or something...also...it's not 25,000 diameter, its radius. 50000 diameter. That means a sphere of destruction that is 50000 light years across. Everything in that sphere is annihilated, leaving nothing for the Flood to eat.

EDIT-btw, did anybody notice that Obi Wan Canoli and mithrandir1 have been banned? That's what Stosh told me.

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  • 06.14.2004 10:29 AM PDT
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Sorry Nedus but Guilty Spark can fire the Halos without the Cheif. If he couldn't why did you spend all that time running around in Two Betrayals disrupting the phase pulse generators while you were on Halo?

Another gentleman went out of his way and calcualted the total number of Halos necessary to cover every inch of the galaxy was thirteen. However, we do not know that the forerunner finished constructing the entire network.

  • 06.14.2004 10:43 AM PDT
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Dude. Did you read what I said??? THERE ARE 12 RINGS!!! OFFICIAL SOURCE!!!!!!!

sorry for yelling.

Plus, I think you were destroying the generators so the ring couldn't be activated by anyone. 343GS can't do it, but he could have had a covie do it.

[Edited on 6/14/2004 10:46:44 AM]

  • 06.14.2004 10:45 AM PDT
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Posted by: TumblingDice82
Dude. Did you read what I said??? THERE ARE 12 RINGS!!! OFFICIAL SOURCE!!!!!!!

sorry for yelling.


Could you give us the exact quote, page number, and/or web site? I have read the books and the game transcript and don't remember this information.

  • 06.14.2004 10:47 AM PDT
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Where did you find the 12 rings source at?
Good Lord every post I post some one asks the same Q before me.

[Edited on 6/14/2004 10:50:21 AM]

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As I said earlier...I don't remember. It was a couple years ago, but the info is still in my head. Might have been the game...might have been the books...I remember it was one of those or an official website. Don't believe me if you don't want to.

  • 06.14.2004 10:52 AM PDT
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somebody said it was on bungies site

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Posted by: TumblingDice82
Plus, I think you were destroying the generators so the ring couldn't be activated by anyone. 343GS can't do it, but he could have had a covie do it.


There's a hole in your logic. According to that theory a Covenant would need the Index to fire the ring. Cortana had the index. Thus, there was no possibility that the ring could be fired and no need to disrupt the phase pulse generators.

There's a difference between "can't" and "won't". Cortana must have known that 343 could fire the Halo or she'd have never bothered risking the Chief's life. She's very methodical.

It's most likely Guilty Spark was at first was following protocol and procedure so he wouldn't blow the Halos before the index was returned to the control room. There is no procedure for what to do in the case of the Index being stolen by what 343 would see as a rogue AI.

So then, the question becomes, what is the Index?

  • 06.14.2004 10:54 AM PDT
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in the book first strike cortana never mentions having the index just alot of info

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It may not be in the book but I know my game. *grins* Watch the opening scene in Two
Betrayals once more.

I must have the Index," 343 says, and then instructs his goons to, "Save his head. Dispose of the Rest." He wants that Index.

Also of note. Halo wasn't designed to stop the flood. It was designed to render the galaxy devoid of all life. There's a destinctive difference. It just so happens that rendering the galaxy devoid of life happens to accomplish the deed.

  • 06.14.2004 11:04 AM PDT
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heres my theory...maybe the 4 rings make a huge circle around the galaxy one at north.south.east.west...then like they make a energy beam from the generators they we had to destroy that connects each one...then when there all connected...everything inside the circle is totally wiped out...maybe radiation or a huge explosion..or the rings slowly contract and anything the energy touches instantly vaporizes...but i cant be sure..sorry for any spelling errors

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Posted by: Draerden
It may not be in the book but I know my game. *grins* Watch the opening scene in Two
Betrayals once more.

I must have the Index," 343 says, and then instructs his goons to, "Save his head. Dispose of the Rest." He wants that Index.

Also of note. Halo wasn't designed to stop the flood. It was designed to render the galaxy devoid of all life. There's a destinctive difference. It just so happens that rendering the galaxy devoid of life happens to accomplish the deed.

343GS took the Index from MC for "safe keeping" at the end of The Library. Also, Halo was designed to stop the Flood. It wipes out life in a 50k diameter sphere to rid the galaxy of food for the Flood (stuff for the Flood to take over). That's the purpose of the system of Halos.

  • 06.14.2004 12:02 PM PDT
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In a level in the game, the one were you have to go to Capt. Keyes to get his implants, you see the flood piling the dead bodies in the corners of hanger bayes. Think about this halo just did is pulse of radiation since that seems the most likely thing. It sets off all the other halo however many they might be. Everything in the Galaxy is dead because of the radiation. We don't need to be alive for the flood to have a snack. Whatever halo does, it must not only kill the biomass, it must get rid of it right? I think that kinda sounds reasonable, maybe.

  • 06.14.2004 12:32 PM PDT
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It sounds reasonable, but it's not true. You need to be alive for the Flood to infect you.

  • 06.14.2004 12:37 PM PDT

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