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.....But there is nothing special with graphics in Halo 2.

Firstly though I want you all to know that this is NOT a troll attempt nor did I register here just to -blam!- on you people for loving this franchise.

I am here however to smash those Rose tinted glasses you guys seem to have had surgicaly grafted to your face.

I'm starting this thread due to the fact that the latest few screenshots to be released is to be frank...terrible.

The blood on the floor is terrible, for a game that uses bump mapping as much as H2 that sure is some bland and crappy looking blood, what sort of creature would have perfectly flat semi clear blood like that? It's bad, if you havn't finished the texture Bungie why even have it in the shot? It's not like your screen shots are planned.

Th shadows are also way off, a mixture of sharp and soft shadow. Either choose one of the other folks, also don't even try soft shadows if you can't do it properly.

Where is teh rest of the level? That door and frame just fades into pitch black.....Kinda unrealistic lighting no?

The models, I'm sorry but no matter how much bump mapping you slap onto your models they still look like chunky quake 2 esque models. Also you would think that the bullet holes would be bump mapped also no?


Now before you go on about 'Oh it's on Xbox we have to work with the tech we have.' That doesn't effect this situation. There are plenty of other games due out before Halo 2 that look a hell of a lot better.

Unreal Championship 2.
http://www.liandriconflict.com/

http://www.liandriconflict.com/media/images/uc2_6_01.jpg
http://www.liandriconflict.com/media/images/uc2_8_01.jpg
http://www.liandriconflict.com/media/images/uc2_1_01.jpg

A bucket load of extra detail than seen in a halo shot, not to mention that the effects and shere number of polys being pushed slaps Halo2 across the face.
Also if you've seen videos of this game you know it is fast and furious.


Pariah
http://www2.pariahgame.com/

http://www2.pariahgame.com/pics/screenshotWindow/screens/4.jp g
http://www2.pariahgame.com/pics/screenshotWindow/screens/2.jp g

Not much needs to be said for these shots, brilliant details for an XBox title as well as doing it on a large scale.


Doom3
http://www.doom3.com

http://www.doom3.com/images/screenshots/02.jpg
http://www.doom3.com/images/screenshots/03.jpg
http://www.doom3.com/images/screenshots/04.jpg

Bungie, take note. THIS is how to use bump mapping.




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  • 04.17.2004 11:51 AM PDT

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these are pretty early screenshots. the graphics aren't gonna be the greatest. bungie is giving us a taste of what halo 2 will be like.

  • 04.17.2004 11:53 AM PDT
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Maybe you should actually READ what I have to say, or are there too many words there for you?

  • 04.17.2004 11:54 AM PDT
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Unreal championship 2 is slated for winter. That would be due out after halo 2, just for the record. Pariah has no official date.

  • 04.17.2004 11:55 AM PDT
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Is H2 not surposed to be out by Christmas this year?

  • 04.17.2004 11:55 AM PDT
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Bungie said fall.

  • 04.17.2004 11:56 AM PDT
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While I will respect your opinion, I don't think coming here and telling us how bad Halo 2 looks will gain you much respect. Also, keep in mind that the game is not finished, and that those graphical representations are not final.

  • 04.17.2004 11:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: Magnetichead
Maybe you should actually READ what I have to say, or are there too many words there for you?


i read your post. you are just a flamer and i wouldn't be suprised if this thread is closed.

  • 04.17.2004 11:56 AM PDT
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magnetic i completely see your point, but look at xbox screenshots in other places.when i flip through XBN magazine the screenshots dont have very good quality. We havent PLAYED it yet, we all saw it through windows media player or some picture viewing program, therefore leading you to foreshadow all graphics will suck.

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Well then if Halo 2 is out before christmas that puts the 'these are early screeshots' arguement to bed seeing as they should be working with final media here and should be concetrating on the games structure now.

  • 04.17.2004 11:57 AM PDT
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sometime this fall, maybe next to christmas. No one exactly knows.

  • 04.17.2004 11:58 AM PDT
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well then if the graphics are sooo bad i guess you wont be getting halo 2? good one more copy for an appreciative person.

  • 04.17.2004 11:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: jerstud56
sometime this fall, maybe next to christmas. No one exactly knows.


If it goes to christmas i'll die.

  • 04.17.2004 11:59 AM PDT
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Whats really funny is that he chooses three games and only one acctually uses bump mapping, and don't you think that bungie is trying to go for its own style and not become some copy cat like Pariah and Unreal? Yes Doom III is going to be a great game, but those shots do not even come close to what Halo 2 has to offer.

  • 04.17.2004 12:00 PM PDT
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Dude, the models look fine. In a fukin FPS, there r gonna be millions of bulletholes everywhere, and to bump-map them would make it possible for only one model of bullethole to be seen everywhere, and seeing the same bullethole everywhere would be much worse. Same thing with the blood. The character models look fine. They didn't have bumpmapping in the first halo and they were still some of the best ones i had seen on a console ever. Lets just watch. If ur right, many people will agree won't they? Lets count how many.

  • 04.17.2004 12:00 PM PDT

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if he wasn't such an idiot he would know they didn't show more of the level because they know how much people would speculate on the plot

  • 04.17.2004 12:02 PM PDT
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Pariah an Unreal copy cat?

Hate to send you down to earth with a bump like this but Pariah is being developed by Digital Extremes who with Epic MADE UNREAL.

  • 04.17.2004 12:02 PM PDT
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I should have said this before. If all you are concerned with is graphics than u must not like halo very much. I could care less if the graphics are exactly like halo. It's a great game anyways.

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  • 04.17.2004 12:02 PM PDT
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Halo 2 looks better than Doom 3?

Are you high?

Did you look at the pictures I linked?

  • 04.17.2004 12:03 PM PDT
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Jepp we like the game as it is shown onto the screenshots and it will be looki'n much better when it releases in september the 1or30

  • 04.17.2004 12:04 PM PDT
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Graphics are only a little part of the game.. o no the bloods flat and the shadows are off, do you buy games on what kind of graphics they have? I sure dont. All the games you mentioned have good graphics, but Halo 2, has the stroyline and the game play, and all the effects to go along with it.

  • 04.17.2004 12:04 PM PDT
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MAGNETIC NO ONE IS SEEING YOUR POINT...GIVE UP

and you didnt answer my questoin....are you gonna get halo 2 or not because of its "bad" graphics.

  • 04.17.2004 12:04 PM PDT
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No it's not, it's a mediocre game at best.

It's popular because console players are starved for FPSers of quality.

Ask PC FPSer players what they think of Halo and listen closley to what sort or reponses you get.

  • 04.17.2004 12:05 PM PDT
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No I'm not going to buy Halo 2 because I can find better uses for my money.

Like wigs and magic beans.

  • 04.17.2004 12:06 PM PDT

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