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Posted by: Senor Leche
There are still plenty of great members posting wonderful replies so don't let the bad apples blur your vision.

Very well put, there are plenty of good things about this community and the users that post, sometimes optimism is a lot better then pessimism, you just have to look around.

  • 02.18.2008 8:47 PM PDT
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  • 02.18.2008 8:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Senor Leche
So don't jump on the "Halo 3 Forum's full of idiots" bandwagon so fast.

But you have to admit, the Halo 3 forum has become a writhing cesspool of primordial muck, and it reproduces asecksually every day to become even larger and more grotesque.

I just pray to God that the muck doesn't become radioactive.

EDIT: The blam filter took out an unnecessary word.

[Edited on 02.18.2008 8:52 PM PST]

  • 02.18.2008 8:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Senor Leche
There are still plenty of great members posting wonderful replies so don't let the bad apples blur your vision.

Very well put, there are plenty of good things about this community and the users that post, sometimes optimism is a lot better then pessimism, you just have to look around.


I agree, just neglected to mention it in my post. Too caught up trying to get all the negative points.

  • 02.18.2008 8:53 PM PDT

I'm a serious dude, so what?

thank you Senor.

it's nice to know that there are intelligent people in the forums reading all this, day in and day out, not losing their minds. i think for the most part we as a community can look up to most of the moderators and bungie staffers. and no, there is no need to flame this talking about which mods or members or bungie staffers suck and don't need respect. and for the record, each forum achieves it's task pretty well. i popped into The Flood earlier and got a good link to a free graphics editor. totally random, but something i really wanted and never had.

there are plenty of gems in here,
-brady

  • 02.18.2008 9:04 PM PDT

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Killed by Pasta,

I love the fact that you're trying to be proactive and change things around here. Honestly, it makes me unbelievably happy to see someone who tries to make a difference.

But therein lies the problem. I shouldn't be ecstatic to see someone who wants to change things. Do you know why? Because that means that they're the only ones.

And that is the biggest problem with the "community". Bigger than Recon, bigger than spammers, Bigger Than Elvis (Chicago reference). They don't want to change things. I don't want to seem cynical or pessimistic or anything, but it's the solid truth. When you try to change things, they see it as a personal attack. They are unwilling to come to terms with their mistakes or problems. So, in turn, they morph it into it somehow being your fault, they gang up on you, and before long, you're lying in a pool of your own proverbial blood, with your figurative wallet stolen wondering what the hell you did to deserve all this.

How this hasn't discouraged myself over time is beyond me. I've had my fair share of proverbial ass-kickings, and I've probably deserved some of them. But in the end, at least you can have closure in knowing that you made an honest effort.

I hope none of this discourages you or anything, but I just want to warn you, if you try to change things, you've got a bumpy road ahead.

Good luck, and god speed!

  • 02.18.2008 9:19 PM PDT

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In my opinion the amount of threads that i see complaining about the state of the forums and whining about the declining community are worse than all the spamming flamers put together.

There is nothing constructive about what you are doing, you are just being elitist. Thats why you put the amount of time your been posting on b.net and they fact you've got all the books at the beginning, you are assuming this makes you better than the regular fans that just play the game.

  • 02.19.2008 7:18 AM PDT
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Well, I had a post that was all written out, but, when I submitted it, I had a nice little error and it deleted it. So, instead of writing it all out in my limited time, I basically agreeing with most of what Leche said.

How can you accuse the community for being more immature when the population has doubled many times since '04? That is absurd to accuse the community of falling when it is still active with many more users. While immaturity does exist on a high level, there are some of us that post with intelligence. The average age of the traditional b.netter is probably around 15-16, so immaturity is bound to exist. Unfortunately, b.net falls subject to what all the internet does in which people can post anonymously with little or no repercussions. With that in mind, did you expect b.net to be any different from the rest of the internet? The reason why b.net seemed more "mature" back in '04 was that many fans did not even know about Bungie or its community. People that were active within the community generally had an understanding of who Bungie was and appreciated their work. Now, with the popularity of Halo, more and more people are using the site to see their stats and check out the community. This brings all types of people, both mature and immature. While the immature still outnumber the mature, there are those "diamonds in the rough" that make the community so much better. I have so much more I want to say, but I must take leave as I have class and an interview to prepare for.

On a side note, I can understand your frustration, but calling out groups because you don't approve of them is just flat out wrong. While you may not appreciate the humor that takes place in certain groups, it still does not give you the permission to accuse them all of being immature.

  • 02.19.2008 8:43 AM PDT
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It's at a time like this that I truely miss how this site used to be back in August 2006.

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Posted by: JAY132
It's at a time like this that I truely miss how this site used to be back in August 2006.


Kind of like how it was in augusts 2004, 2005, 2007 and 2008. Really, b.net doesn't ever change.

  • 02.19.2008 9:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: JAY132
It's at a time like this that I truely miss how this site used to be back in August 2006.


Kind of like how it was in augusts 2004, 2005, 2007 and 2008. Really, b.net doesn't ever change.

Yeah, I miss August 2008 the most. Good times those were...

  • 02.19.2008 9:23 AM PDT
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Posted by: JAY132
It's at a time like this that I truely miss how this site used to be back in August 2006.


Kind of like how it was in augusts 2004, 2005, 2007 and 2008. Really, b.net doesn't ever change.
Sometimes we have to face facts and just accept it... 2004 kicked arse. Downhill since then.

Every year has been inferior to ours and those before us of 2004.

  • 02.19.2008 9:48 AM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

Astute.

  • 02.19.2008 9:53 AM PDT

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Could be just me but there do seem to be less flamers on the forums. Theres still a nice bit of silliness but fewer flamers. But that could be because I don't really go in the H3 forum anymore as its always the same threads.

Either that or my mind just blanks out certain posts as part of some sort of self-defense mechanism.

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You're correct. Less flamers. However the amount of people who are... stupid... for lack of a better term, is up dramatically. That is, people who don't read the rules, can't listen to a basic instruction, don't heed warnings, don't seem to think before typing... etc, etc.

We're b-blam!- with them.

  • 02.19.2008 9:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: Ada Astra
On a side note, I can understand your frustration, but calling out groups because you don't approve of them is just flat out wrong. While you may not appreciate the humor that takes place in certain groups, it still does not give you the permission to accuse them all of being immature.


I "called them out" simply because it was my own opinion that they were, hurting the forums in a way. Sure they are in their own little group, but the people there are the "senior" members of the Flood. And because they are the elder Flood members, newer members tend to try to post like them and stuff. When they aren't banned (Which is rare) they make some not so nice threads. But that's not saying all the stuff they do is bad, I'm not saying that. They do have some good threads, but it's the bad ones that caught my attention, because they were, well bad. I also called out (SP) and the other screenshots groups, why is nobody talking about that?

As for the whole more people now than before, I never denied that. I was stating that now, it's worse than before, and I'm sure the moderators could contest to that. It stands out more to me now, because there are so many new members. I miss the good old days like many other senoir members, where we would have awesome discussions about everything and everyone would partake in them. Now? There are simply too many threads and some of those threads are inappropriate.

**Sorry about your post though, that's why I always try to copy my post before I submit it. It helps if there is ever an error.

  • 02.19.2008 12:29 PM PDT

I'm a serious dude, so what?

Longing for the "old" days (i quote that because 3 years isn't really "old", I wipe my ass with 3 years) is not productive or smart. We should be focusing on turning around the negative behaviors that are degrading Bungie.net and making them constructive. Most of the complaints I've heard about this New Flood group is that they have a lot of posts ragging on specific people. Now, I have to be up front and tell you I'm not a member of that group and, quite frankly, couldn't care less what they're talking about in their forums. My concern is when people get used to that type of behavior and, instead of being constructive, become juvenile on the main forums. When someone posts something stupid, the answer isn't to call them an idiot and exclaim the quickness of their impending ban, but instead to PM them and inform them of a sticky topic that answers their question. I would actually wager that a lot of people that get a blacklisting get it not because of their OP, but because people keep bumping it with dumb comments.

On the topic of these types of threads, I've seen many different interpretations of their impact. I've been an on-and-off Bungie.net user since Myth, and I can tell you for an absolute fact that even in the days of the creation of Bungie.net people were complaining about the system going downhill. These threads are not useful if they are about complaining, instead, we as good community citizens should use them as opportunities to discuss fixes to problems. Obviously, Killed by Pasta was struggling to get a handle about what's going on inside Bungie.net, that's why he titled this thread "A Concern..." and not "I HATE..." or some other variant. It's clear to me that everyone sees a different thing happening that they believe is detrimental to the success of Bungie.net, but the only people that can hurt this wonderful social forum is US. Hanging up on one group, such as the New Flood, just because someone mentions it by name, and then making it the topic, is not a constructive thing and in fact only further singles out the group.

We have to understand that we're all in this together and if everyone pulls everyone else up, instead of trying to tear them down, one day we'll all wake up and be uber 1337. Just remember, the coolest response is one weighed carefully and posted thoughtfully. If you see something and post a response as soon as you feel an emotion you can probably bet that that will not be a very good post.

-brady

  • 02.19.2008 1:53 PM PDT

Elitist?...Elitist?! How is wanting this website to improve and be a place online where people can intelligently post discussions and Bungie-related ideas elitist?

Posted by: King Picollo
In my opinion the amount of threads that i see complaining about the state of the forums and whining about the declining community are worse than all the spamming flamers put together.

There is nothing constructive about what you are doing, you are just being elitist. Thats why you put the amount of time your been posting on b.net and they fact you've got all the books at the beginning, you are assuming this makes you better than the regular fans that just play the game.


These posts are actually relevant to the website, unlike all those dumb threads in the Halo 3 forum asking how your day is going. No I'm not going to pretend that this thread is magically going to rid us of rulebreakers and spammers. Those people will be here always, and I don't think theres anything to do about it except follow the rules and report them.

I will admit my so far short history here hasn't been perfect. I got warned, and after which incident,read the rules completely and thoroughly, and quickly changed my ways. I know it sounds like I'm taking this real serious, but, really it's just common sense. So lets just all have fun on the boards and be good members and follow the rules. Hopefully people will have the ability to act their age like I did (except preferably without a warning!)


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its like a large force of win going through fusion, thus creating a chain reaction of a huge asplosion of win destroying any fail within its awesomeness.

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Every year has been inferior to ours and those before us of 2004.

Bah! 2005 was the sexiest year.

  • 02.19.2008 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: King Picollo
In my opinion the amount of threads that i see complaining about the state of the forums and whining about the declining community are worse than all the spamming flamers put together.

There is nothing constructive about what you are doing, you are just being elitist. Thats why you put the amount of time your been posting on b.net and they fact you've got all the books at the beginning, you are assuming this makes you better than the regular fans that just play the game.


Do you even know what the word "elitist" means? I said those things so I could sound credible and act like I actually know what I'm talking about. Regular fans whom "just play the game" wouldn't come onto this site because they just play the game. You, my friend, do not know what you are talking about. I, however, do.

  • 02.19.2008 4:19 PM PDT

With B.B. gone, the passion of Bungie.net has lessened.

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Posted by: King Picollo
In my opinion the amount of threads that i see complaining about the state of the forums and whining about the declining community are worse than all the spamming flamers put together.

There is nothing constructive about what you are doing, you are just being elitist. Thats why you put the amount of time your been posting on b.net and they fact you've got all the books at the beginning, you are assuming this makes you better than the regular fans that just play the game.


Do you even know what the word "elitist" means? I said those things so I could sound credible and act like I actually know what I'm talking about. Regular fans whom "just play the game" wouldn't come onto this site because they just play the game. You, my friend, do not know what you are talking about. I, however, do.


Such is what those of us who "wish" for the "good old days" get subject to. No one really understands what we are striving for, because most of them weren't there. So we get called "elitist."

I've expressed these concerns before. Last time I did it, I admit, it was not so nice (although countless times before that, I did so VERY politely...). Even when I am being nice to the lot of people here, I am met with disrespect of my views. Should I, and those on the same boat as me (few though they may be) keep taking stones throne at us in stride? Or should we throw back? I am not one for the blood for blood mentality, but honestly, my patience wanes.

  • 02.19.2008 5:15 PM PDT

Dianna Agron is the epitome of perfection.

Quinntology.

I have been nice to a lot of people, in fact I have already apologized to a couple members of the New Flood. But, the thing is, there are two people who currently I have responded in a somewhat negative way, the guy in the quote, and another. Sure, I know I'm not a perfect member of this site, but please, being called elitist? That's just absurd.

  • 02.19.2008 5:32 PM PDT
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I agree. I am connected to the forums much the same way as you (but with only 2 profiles), and I have noticed some change. There are a lot more...lesser topics. Everything is just so flooded with hundreds of topics, it's a mess. People use to talk about important things, now it's just small, insegnifigant stuff. I think all the new members are the reason. Not that I have a problem with them, but they do tend to spam up the forums and after they get done with halo 3, they will never come here again.

  • 02.19.2008 5:42 PM PDT

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I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying. Day to day I poke around in the forums and am flabbergasted at what I see; it varies from the most random rants to requests for the Recon armor (which is absolutely out of control) to flamers and haters, to people just wanting to stir things up. It's almost like a new form of politicking has arisen, where the central theme is not only every person for themself, but there can be absolutely no fair topic discussion.

Personally, I don't think it is elitist to wish for the "good old days." All you are wishing for is a little bit of sanity. There's no reason to apologize for wanting something like that. I've only been a member for about a year and a half now, and already I can see a shift in the maturity level of many posters. It's always nice to occasionally run across innovation and unique thinking, but for the most part I feel like all I can do is try to increase awareness for greater poster-ability. The ninjas who help alleviate these problems do have a huge job ahead of them, and I definitely think we can help them. We can do this by continuing a posting standard of excellence understood by few, but if recognized by many may enact some change.

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Yea, there seems to be a LOT of spamming and flaming going on in these forums unfortunately.

  • 02.19.2008 5:51 PM PDT