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Subject: Optimatch Linked Gamertag Requirements

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

do any of you know the exact requirements for posting in optimatch? my questions concerns people using inactive accounts. we all know that a bnet member must have a linked gamertag to post in optimatch, but must this gt be active? if a person has a temporary account, and that account expires, will the member be able to continue to post in optimatch?

as far as i can surmise, it would be best if bnet members are required to have an active gamertag. this way, if a person wishes to disrupt the forums by breaking rules, he could not do so by simply getting a temporary gt and then using it for ages. the optimatch linked gt requirement ensures that only players with a stake in h3 mm get to have a voice and it holds us all accountable for our posting behavior. if members can post with expired accounts, then they can circumvent the spirit of the rule and make inapproproate posts with no threat of punishment.

what do you guys think?

this may have been addressed already, but i have not been able to find it. if so, then please pm me so that i can find it and so that this thread will fade away.

  • 02.18.2008 7:11 PM PDT
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Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

Well the news post says that it must be a "linked Gold or Silver gamertag." But it doesn't mention expired or not. I would hope that an expired gamertag would disqualify one from posting in the Optimatch Forum -- especially expired Silver gamertags. I can't imagine that the Web Team did not think of this scenario when they designed this requirement, but I guess I can't say for sure.

  • 02.18.2008 7:32 PM PDT
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No.

The acct linked to this Bnet acct doesn't even exist anymore.

  • 02.19.2008 12:23 AM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

thanks for the link, foman. i saw the same post, and it is silent on this matter. i also think that members with expired accounts SHOULD NOT be able to post in optimatch. here are some costs/benefits of requiring active gamertags to post in optimatch:

benefits of requiring an active gt:
only active h3 mm players would have a voice in discussing potential mm changes.
bnet posters will be held more accountable for their posting behavior since there will be a direct and relevant link between the bnet account and a gt that is in use.
people who cannot play h3 mm would be excluded and the forums will only contain thoughts from current h3 mm players.
people who do not care enough about h3 mm to have an active gt will not shape h3 mm discussion.
people who wish to cause problems by violating forum rules will have a harder time doing so.

costs of requiring an active gt:
people who do not care enough to have an active gt but would still like to post in optimatch will not be able to do so.

as far as i can see, there is no good reason not to require that an active gt be linked to a bnet account in order to post in the optimatch forums. my main reason involves accountability. if a person can simply link a trial gt and then stay in optimatch indefinately, then forum trouble makers would have a much easier time making disruptive posts. by allowing inactive gt's to be linked, there is virtually no disincentive to violate forum rules, so the only people to benefit by having such loose restrictions are those who can cause problems without having to face any negative consequences.

if a person wants to post in optimatch, then that person should prove that they can play h3 mm.
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Well the news post says that it must be a "linked Gold or Silver gamertag." But it doesn't mention expired or not. I would hope that an expired gamertag would disqualify one from posting in the Optimatch Forum -- especially expired Silver gamertags. I can't imagine that the Web Team did not think of this scenario when they designed this requirement, but I guess I can't say for sure.


thanks for sharing this, xtreme. this confirms what i expected. i cannot think of a single way that the forums will be better off by allowing members without active gamertags. if a person must have an active gt linked, then he can be held more accountable for rules violations.
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No.
The acct linked to this Bnet acct doesn't even exist anymore.

  • 02.19.2008 11:54 AM PDT
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People make new Gamertags. So it would be dumb if they would also have too make a new Bungie.Net account when they make a new Gamer Tag. I dunno if there is a way too link another GT/a different GT too a Bungie account, if there isn't, then this isn't a good idea. I can think of quite a few members who have done this, and quite a few make quite good posts. So no, this isn't a good idea. Anyways, if somebody is blatantly breaking rules, I"m sure gamertags of the Xbox mac code somehow tied too them, so that Xbox could be banned. But I doubt people are going too keep making "throwaway gamertags" just so they can spam opti-match, seriously. If people have too keep making new B.Net accounts whenever they create a new Gamertag, that would be a pain (then people would also start complaining about "alt accounts", which they really wouldn't be, because they would have too change their BNET account).

And wouldn't some members maybe want too not have their "legit" Gamertag linked because of security issues?

[Edited on 02.19.2008 12:10 PM PST]

  • 02.19.2008 12:08 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

Posted by: xfire grunt
People make new Gamertags. So it would be dumb if they would also have too make a new Bungie.Net account when they make a new Gamer Tag.

And wouldn't some members maybe want too not have their "legit" Gamertag linked because of security issues?


i do not see this as a good reason to allow members without active linked gamertags to post in optimatch.

if a person gets a new gt, then he can link that gt to his bnet account. it is not the case that a player has to start up a new bnet account. your claim hinges upon having to start a new account, and since that is not needed, the reason that you provided does not apply.

your second reason is also not an issue, as far as i can tell. i player simply has to have a linked gt, but members are not required to have their tags accessible to the public. since a member's gt does not have to be shared with the public, i cannot see a potential security threat.

  • 02.19.2008 4:37 PM PDT
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I assume a person with an expired account could post. But 2 things.

A. Why would people with expired accounts even waiste their time to talk?

B. Most people on Optimatch have working accounts so why worry about such a minute amount of people?

  • 02.19.2008 4:51 PM PDT

etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.

So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....

"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..

i will answer each of your questions:
a) i have no idea. my guess is that most people who post actually play h3 mm. if a person wishes to post about how to change h3 mm, it makes perfect sense to me that the person should have an active gamertag linked. this proves that he has a stake in mm and it increases accountability for his forum behavior. this prevents troublemakers from simply breaking the rules and creating and endless string of alt accounts. this requirements adds both a disincentive to break forum rules and it creates a hurdle to people making inappropriate posts on alt accounts

2) we have no idea what percentage of bnet members posting in optimatch are using active gamertags. did you notice how many forum regulars (who also happened to break forum rules a lot) vanished the second a linked gt became required? did you notice how many brand new bnet accounts appeared and became active in the same threads?

if an active tag is not required, then it makes it easier for banned persons to be active longer in the optimatch forum.

requiring an active gamertag ensures that all persons posting about h3 mm actually have the ability to be affected by h3 mm changes. i still see no good reason to allow persons with expired accounts access to posting in optimatch.



Posted by: odmichael
I assume a person with an expired account could post. But 2 things.

A. Why would people with expired accounts even waiste their time to talk?

B. Most people on Optimatch have working accounts so why worry about such a minute amount of people?

  • 02.20.2008 1:49 PM PDT

I'm a serious dude, so what?

requiring an active gamertag ensures that all persons posting about h3 mm actually have the ability to be affected by h3 mm changes. i still see no good reason to allow persons with expired accounts access to posting in optimatch.

i'm just not sure how Bungie, or Bungie.net could audit something like that, considering the new separation between them and Microsloth.

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  • 02.20.2008 2:00 PM PDT

I'm pretty hardcore about my expectations for the utility of a forum like Optimatch.

In my personal opinion, only users who are actively participating in the matchmaking system deserve to have access to contribute to those discussions. Being an avid matchmaking user should grant that access, so when someone shares their opinion you know it's coming from someone who is directly affected by the issue.

Extreme, yes. Necessary, perhaps not... but like I said I am hardcore about the utility of that forum in particular. :)

  • 02.20.2008 2:45 PM PDT

Hi Jeremiah! *waves*

For a while, I've believed that restricting Optimatch to just those who are actively participating in the Matchmaking experience is a good thing. Ses, as you mentioned, it is a good way to keep the forum restricted only to those to whom it applies, as the people who are participating in that forum should also be actively participating in Matchmaking. Tying into that, it's also a good way for Bungie to gather feedback for future Matchmaking updates, because they know that they're getting thoughts from active players.

Overall, I'd say that the best feedback is coming from the people who are playing the game a lot -- they're spending time in Matchmaking, and as Jeremiah put it, "when someone shares their opinion, you know it's coming from someone who's directly affected by the issue".

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When gold accounts expire, they become silver accounts. They don't degrade further beyond that point; A silver account will last at least as long as the passport account it is attached to. I'm unsure what would happen after that point, but it is irrelevant to us, since that account would no longer be able to post to the forums anyways.

To get to my point, I believe that in the current situation, any account with a linked GT of any status may post to the optimatch forum. Achronos said that at this point, the system is only made to add a symbolic importance to the forum, not to add any real obstacle.

As far as whether it would be better to allow only gold accounts to post (That would be the simplest and most effective means of making only active accounts be able to post there), I'm somewhat torn. I think that many people without gold accounts would still be able to add good conversation and ideas. But I also see why it would be desired to have only current players participate in the conversation. They are, after all, the ones who play it.

  • 02.20.2008 4:09 PM PDT
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I have 4 active accts atm.

3 linked here on Bnet

I half to recover this dead extreme profile back to my 360 so i can change the windows live ID and get an active acct with this Bnet acct (FFa xHardcore - 42 THC)

I see your point.

I could post in optimatch under around 3+ accts here, only because I like to link all my GT's when I get a new 1 I automatically make a new acct and link away.


I'll be "actively" linked in the near future.

  • 02.20.2008 4:14 PM PDT