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Subject: Proposal: View your own blacklist/warn history
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Posted by: Panzershreke
I think this would be a useful tool for any B.net user, Prophet. One thing though, would this blacklisting viewer only work for public forums or for private ones as well?
It would be nice if groups were included. But I think Prophet ment to focus on public forums.

  • 02.21.2008 7:44 AM PDT

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But I wouldn't have anything in that list to show off! :(

See what I did there? I showed off... about.. not being able to show off my.. blacklists and war-- Never mind.

  • 02.21.2008 7:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: SS_Zag1
But I wouldn't have anything in that list to show off! :(

See what I did there? I showed off... about.. not being able to show off my.. blacklists and war-- Never mind.


If only I could type the sound of a couple crickets chirping in the background.......

  • 02.21.2008 7:54 AM PDT
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I would love to be able to view my own blacklist history. Only thing I should have is replying to spam over a year ago.

I would like to know though.

"Active" Groups could be included also.

There are no problems that can come with this because if 1 were to happen they would be abolished forever.

  • 02.21.2008 8:13 AM PDT

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Instead of having a page that shows you your history of blacklists and warnings, why not expand upon the PM system? Structure it so you can search and sort your PM's by date, who sent it, user security group (Moderator, Admin, etc). It'd be nice to open up a PM box and have a few sort options like "Security Group", "Date", etc. If those didn't work, then just type what you're looking for into a search box.

  • 02.21.2008 8:44 AM PDT

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Posted by: SS_Zag1
But I wouldn't have anything in that list to show off! :(

See what I did there? I showed off... about.. not being able to show off my.. blacklists and war-- Never mind.


If only I could type the sound of a couple crickets chirping in the background.......

Yeah, forget this feature. We should have the ability to make it play cricket sounds on certain users posts. That would be worth it's weight in gold. Especially around here... >_>

Seriously though, this would not be a bad feature.

[Edited on 02.21.2008 8:50 AM PST]

  • 02.21.2008 8:49 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pezz
Doesn't the soul tell you what you did wrong?

I know you used to be notified with a big screen saying OPERATION CANCELLED DUE TO BLACKLISTING. And then the moderators message/reason.

I don't think people should see it because it becomes a bragging point alread. I can see it now, people braggin saying "check out my blacklists! ^____^" with a screenshot.

Rubbish.
This is a great idea, I mean, this way I could see if I can reach the Heroic member rank among other things.

  • 02.21.2008 8:50 AM PDT
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Let people show off if they want. I'm not going to care that they're proud of being an idiot.

  • 02.21.2008 8:54 AM PDT

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Posted by: Captain K Mart
Let people show off if they want. I'm not going to care that they're proud of being an idiot.

Very good point.

  • 02.21.2008 9:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: Captain K Mart
Let people show off if they want. I'm not going to care that they're proud of being an idiot.

Besides, people who do that surely wouldn't mind having another one added.

That's what I'd expect the mods to do, anyway. :P

  • 02.21.2008 9:18 AM PDT
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Posted by: DEATHPIMP72
Anyone but Foman. He smells like cheese.

I agree with this idea, GP. Besides the more superficial value of allowing users to easily see what kinds of infractions they have committed in the past, it also would have the more subconscious effect of reminding users that rules are in place whenever they view their profile (or wherever the ban history would be located).

Sure, you have your veteran trolls and spammers who would attempt to use this as something to brag about, but who cares? Rules violations will still be punished via the use of the Report button, and the juvenile imbeciles who brag about their frequent bans (or use them to talk about how "awful" Bnet has gotten because they can't get away with stuff anymore) will also have the beneficial effect of alerting more intelligent and/or rule-abiding users to what kinds of behaviors are corrected here.

On a larger scale, I also think that moderators should continue to be vigilant about providing detailed reasons whenever they issue warnings and bans. I continue to see posts in the forums saying "Why was I blacklisted?" Punishing a user when he or she does not know why he or she is being punished is no different than punishing them randomly for no reason at all -- the punishment is not corrective and has no conditioning or beneficial effect on future behavior. Merely pointing to a thread and saying "you violated the forum rules in this thread" does not help, nor does a comment like "Don't do that again." Moreover, listing the actual forum rule that was violated and how it was violated may assist the moderators in preventing accidental warnings or bans.

To get back to the original topic, I think that this could be a great feature for stressing the connection between bad behavior and punishments. Contrary to what a small number of very loud and very wrong protestors have been saying recently, the rules of discussion here are actually quite lax. For that reason, many users tend to think that ANY post is acceptable, including those that are absolutely useless and pointless and contribute nothing to entertaining, amusing, educating, engaging, or enlightening other members here.

Pretty much every forum rule here is geared towards preventing these kinds of useless posts that contribute nothing to a real (however serious OR silly it may be) discussion. Allowing users to see their ban/warning history would be a small step in stressing that, although the rules are lax here and discussion topics may range from the serious to the not-so-serious, there ARE rules that must be followed in order for everybody else to be able to participate to a meaningful degree.

Short version: I agree with GP's idea.

[Edited on 02.21.2008 9:28 AM PST]

  • 02.21.2008 9:26 AM PDT

This is a good idea, it would be useful. I'd also be interested to see our 'trust ratings', but I can understand why you'd keep that hidden. People would REALLY brag about that.

As for boasting about bans, well, it shouldn't be so hard to report it and ban them again.

  • 02.21.2008 9:27 AM PDT
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All extra feautres are nice but are they really worth the extra work, this is wheree I stand when it comes to most web-suggestions I read about here. ´With the notifications I find it even more uncalled for. Personally I can list every ban/warning Ive recieved from memory.

  • 02.21.2008 9:30 AM PDT

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Actually this is a pretty cool idea. It would expand upon the PM system with the wonderful side effect of allowing users to quickly find PMs sent by the soul. It's then up to the user to make sure they act responsibly and don't delete any warnings.

I guess both proposed systems would work and i'd be happy to see any of them implemented.

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
Instead of having a page that shows you your history of blacklists and warnings, why not expand upon the PM system? Structure it so you can search and sort your PM's by date, who sent it, user security group (Moderator, Admin, etc). It'd be nice to open up a PM box and have a few sort options like "Security Group", "Date", etc. If those didn't work, then just type what you're looking for into a search box.

  • 02.21.2008 10:04 AM PDT

Posted by: Gods Prophet
Actually this is a pretty cool idea. It would expand upon the PM system with the wonderful side effect of allowing users to quickly find PMs sent by the soul. It's then up to the user to make sure they act responsibly and don't delete any warnings.

I guess both proposed systems would work and i'd be happy to see any of them implemented.

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
Instead of having a page that shows you your history of blacklists and warnings, why not expand upon the PM system? Structure it so you can search and sort your PM's by date, who sent it, user security group (Moderator, Admin, etc). It'd be nice to open up a PM box and have a few sort options like "Security Group", "Date", etc. If those didn't work, then just type what you're looking for into a search box.
Furthermore, why not make it so those PMs cannot be deleted?

  • 02.21.2008 10:09 AM PDT

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  • 02.21.2008 10:44 AM PDT
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Posted by: Gods Prophet
Essentially what I propose is to allow users to be able to view their own blacklist/warn history. Let me be clear, this does not mean that they are able to view other users' history.

I've received quite a few PMs from people asking why they were blacklisted and it is very easy and quick for me to find out. However, I feel that it would be beneficial to users to have a history list in their profile rather than relying on being able to find the PM(s) by the soul or rely on memory (which, if anyone else is like me, is terrible).

I'd love to get the community’s opinion on this and discuss any potential problems that may arise.



Im behind this platform 100%. I usually know why I got beatdown but I still want a meter bar showing me stats and details. I asked Achronos a few days ago to elaborate on the trust meter but I'm unsure if he has yet. I actually just popped into this forum to check out that very thing. I think this would be a good system. There should be blacklist medals also, but that would probably go the wrong way..

  • 02.21.2008 10:51 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pezz
Doesn't the soul tell you what you did wrong?

I know you used to be notified with a big screen saying OPERATION CANCELLED DUE TO BLACKLISTING. And then the moderators message/reason.

I don't think people should see it because it becomes a bragging point alread. I can see it now, people braggin saying "check out my blacklists! ^____^" with a screenshot.

I don't think that would happen. I mean do you ever see people post screenshots of the screen telling them there blacklisted? I doubt it would happen...

  • 02.21.2008 10:55 AM PDT

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
Instead of having a page that shows you your history of blacklists and warnings, why not expand upon the PM system? Structure it so you can search and sort your PM's by date, who sent it, user security group (Moderator, Admin, etc). It'd be nice to open up a PM box and have a few sort options like "Security Group", "Date", etc. If those didn't work, then just type what you're looking for into a search box.
Excellent idea, I think. This would be beneficial to everyone, not just the folks who got banned.

  • 02.21.2008 10:56 AM PDT

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Posted by: Gods Prophet
Actually this is a pretty cool idea. It would expand upon the PM system with the wonderful side effect of allowing users to quickly find PMs sent by the soul. It's then up to the user to make sure they act responsibly and don't delete any warnings.

I guess both proposed systems would work and i'd be happy to see any of them implemented.

Posted by: Zee JollyRoger
Instead of having a page that shows you your history of blacklists and warnings, why not expand upon the PM system? Structure it so you can search and sort your PM's by date, who sent it, user security group (Moderator, Admin, etc). It'd be nice to open up a PM box and have a few sort options like "Security Group", "Date", etc. If those didn't work, then just type what you're looking for into a search box.
Furthermore, why not make it so those PMs cannot be deleted?


Well I was thinking about the possibility that they couldn't be deleted by the user. Possibly have an folder where administrator PMs or important messages couldn't be deleted. They'd be cached in that folder for the user to have a record of they're rule breaking. I think it is possible to work with a system I described, but it should really be the user's responsibility to maintain that record. If they have to maintain it they will understand the consequences of their actions. If they don't, well...lets say that the Soul isn't merciful.

  • 02.21.2008 11:16 AM PDT

Posted by: spartain ken 15
I would say I am one of the most successful trolls in Bungie.net history.

id like to see my history and see why i lost my herioc member status.

  • 02.21.2008 11:20 AM PDT
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Well, I don't think I would mind, but wouldn't that mean alot of work for you guys? Sometimes, mods don't write out why they banned and leave the default message.

  • 02.21.2008 11:46 AM PDT
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Posted by: Anti Gov420
id like to see my history and see why i lost my herioc member status.


You lost it because they took it away from everyone who accidentaly got it from that glitch thing a little while ago.

  • 02.21.2008 12:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Achronos
I blame stosh.


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Right before the glitch I got degraded,for replying to spam, to Member. Then when the glitch was causing havok I was a Mythic one, and then I went back to Heroic... I could have been Legendary if it wasnt for that I told a guy, no you can't has Recon.Post reported...

  • 02.21.2008 12:35 PM PDT

This feature could be helpfull, but possible an easier changed for the webteam would simply insert the user's post in the blacklist screen, so they can read over their own post and (hopefully) understand why they were blacklisted.

  • 02.21.2008 12:41 PM PDT

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