- sesquipadelian
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etc etc/glaringly obvious/and so on, and such <=Not redundant!
Posted by: Cr4ne Style
Taxes do nothing to affect the share of wealth, since taxes are only applied to income.
So that's not even a part of the conversation at all, so it's pointless talking about it....
"for a "best" moral to exist, there must exist the "best" moral base. If the base of morality varies from location to location, culture to culture...then there can't be an absolute moral..
here are my thoughts about some of your points:
1) the thread was moved, and i am not upset about that, but i still feel that it is a natural fit for the optimatch forum. i am asking for stats to be available in the post game lobby, so the proposed changes would literally affect every single h3 mm game. since i am askinf for a feture to be added to h3 mm settings, it seems appropriate for the thread to appear in optimatch. and, i am asking for an updated feature to be added to bnet, so this thread fits nicely into this forum as well.
2) i have not claimed that they are necessary, but that they would be a great addition.
3) this is all your fault. match statistics are simply bits of information, and how you choose to allow knowledge of this information to affect your play and your attitude about play is up to you and you alone. if you wish to allow knowledge of various stats to alter how you view playing halo and alter how you go about playing halo, then that is your choice, and it is clearly not the case that all players will respond to knowledge of this information the same way that you have. i personally do not alter my style of play based on my stats that appear if i dig around on my h3 stats page.
3a) people in mm will be jerks, and there are ways for nonjerks to deal with that (feedback). that is and will be the case no matter what. if people wish to talk smack in the post game lobby about a player's shots fired statistics, then he is free to do so, and all of us are free to pay such people no mind, and we can simply leave the post game lobby to avoid the verbal assaults.
that some people will act like jerks by looking at the shots fired statistics does not seem like a serious negative consequence of adding them to the post game lobby.
3b) again, this is on you. if you choose to place high importance of stats that are kept over the life of your gamertag, then have at it. but, the stats that i have asked to be added to the post game lobby and to bnet are not stats that will be adjusted over the life of an account, but would simply appear in the match results for particular games.
4) you are right to point out that some people will alter how they play halo and how they view halo matches as a result of knowing various statistics, but i do not see this as a serious problem. if people do not want to allow knowledge of shots fired stats to create problems, then they can choose not to let it create problems, it is just that simple. and, all of the players who enjoy looking at halo stats can get as much enjoyment out of shots fired statistics as they would like.
5) i am glad that you have not taken the stats that adding shots fired stats as i have suggested should not be done based on the negative consequences that you have shared. i agree that some players will realize some negative consequences by making this information accessible, but i think that these costs are by far outweighed by the benefits of adding shots fired stats to the post game lobby and to bnet. i want the stats in bnet, but i want them in the post game lobby even more. since the data are already collected for every single h3 mm match played, i hope that it will not be too hard for bungie to sort this information and make it available to us in mm.
Posted by: x Foman123 x
Posted by: sesquipadelian
the optimatch forums are open to discuss halo matchmaking and online gametypes. my suggestion involves adding particular features to online mm that will affect our experience playing each and every playlist available in h3 mm.
since optimatch is the place to discuss halo online mm, and since i am discussing potential halo online mm features, this seems like the appropriate location for this thread.
1) The thread has already been moved, so I presume you realize that it was in the wrong forum. But just for future reference and clarity -- Optimatch Forum is meant for discussion of the particulars of Matchmaking playlists, not additions or changes to the Bungie.net website.
2) On the main topic, I have to say that I disagree about the importance of these statistics. I don't necessarily disagree with the idea, but I definitely disagree about their necessity.
3) My own personal opinion is that statistics-tracking has ruined the fun of this game.
3a) For example, I was ashamed yesterday when a player in my own party began making fun of another player because of his low rank and statistics. The guy kept saying "I just usually play social games, that's all" and yet the player in my party continued to harass him in very degrading ways until the game started (he was on the other team). Surely, that kind of behavior is not fun for the victim of the harassment.
3b) As another example, I sometimes (but not always) find myself taking actions in game or not taking them because I am keeping my statistics in mind. For example, towards the end of a game the other day, I realized that I had not gotten many kills but I had died several times that game. In order to get my K/D ratio higher, I grabbed a BR and started to go for kills rather than helping my teammate who was attempting to steal the other team's flag. After a moment I realized how selfish I was being and grabbed a Mongoose to help my teammate. But I have seen many instances of players failing to act like a team and instead going for improvement of their personal statistics. The best and most common example I can think of is the guy who grabs a sniper rifle on an objective game and then hides in a safe spot -- sniping away at people and rarely dying, but doing little to help the team obtain the objective, whatever it may be.
4) In my opinion, statistics tracking has affected not just the trash talk that occurs pregame, but also the way the game itself is played. With too much focus on personal statistics, players far too often no longer act as a team except in team slayer games. I have had to go to great lengths to find a small core group of XBL friends who will sacrifice themselves for the good of the team when necessary.
5) At any rate, all I'm doing is trying to outline the reasons why I am not too excited to see any more statistics tracked on BNet. This idea is fine, and I sure wouldn't complain if it was implemented, but I really think that there are more important things that the web team could be working on to improve this website.