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There are a lot of threads being made about how the controller will be used for Halo 2. From what we know of what is already going into the game, I've created a layout that will be close to what the actual game may or may not be; feel free to yell at me if I forgot anything :)

A button - This button likely will not change, and it will be used for jumping. Another possibility for this will be that if you tap it, you won't jump as high as if you held it for a full jump.

B button - Ah yes, the melee button. I can't wait to see what combos are going to be available for bludgeoning Covenant, but I'll try. My guess is that it will remain the melee button (naturally), but will be unique to different combinations of weapons. I'm still trying to figure out how a dual-plasma pistol swing is going to look like...

X button - Again, not much has changed here. It will still be used to open doors, activate switches, etc. Although, this might also be used to pick up the flag, which has both pro's and con's.

Y button - This, is the tough one. The Y button, when tapped, will bring up your two different weapons, but the new addition is going to be for the dual-weilding. Once I heard that dual-weilding was going to be in the game, I immediately knew how it was going to be put into the button layout; simple hold down Y for about a full second, and WAHBLAM!, two weapons are ready to go.

R trigger - Same as usual, this fires your right-handed weapons, and is dedicated exclusively to anything that is in the right hand. Also, look for this to be used somehow when piloting the vehicles in Halo's sequel.

L trigger - Use this for grenades, as well as your second weapon equipped while in 'Beserker' mode (a la Brute Force). I haven't read the GI article yet, but people are telling me that the L trigger is also going to be used as a 'overcharge' in both the Banshee's and Ghosts' engines; I think that works perfectly for what they are trying to do.

Right thumbstick - Same as before. Use this to move your sight around, etc etc. Click in for zooming if the weapon you have has the capabilities.

Left thumbstick - Same as before, again. Although, I would like to see an option in the game where you can click it in once, and have the crouch set, instead of holding it down until you're ready to come up. This should be a user setting, as some people like it the way that it is already. I also have come up with the perfect choice for how to sprint in Halo 2. When holding the thumbstick straight forward, click it in. This will drop your gun, send a signal to those MJLNOIR legs, and push MC into overdrive. I have heard that they want to have it so as when you run for a few seconds, it'll do it automatically. This, I think, is not a very good idea. I can already see the problems coming up about that one (Ah man! I didn't wanna run right there!!)

D-pad - You remember that shiny glob of plastic that sits in the bottom-left of your controller? Yea, that's called the D-pad, and it's definitely going to be used for Halo 2. Click it right, and you'll do a lean to the right, for looking around corners. Same thing with pushing it left. Now, I'm not so sure about the up and down buttons, but that can be discussed on it's own...for now.

Black and White buttons - Should be the same, although I feel that the white button could be held down to bring up a night vision feature for MC, but we'll see.

This list is a work in progress, but it should put a face on every new feature that has been confirmed by Bungie to be in the game. If you have anything to add to it, please respond, and I'll edit it if I left it out. Thank you, and good night...or good afternoon...or good morning, whatever the time may be as you are reading this :)

  • 04.17.2004 2:54 PM PDT
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Maybe the up/down on the d-pad will be used to switch between single/duel weapons.

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I like the layout. But what about throwing gernades with the duel-weapons? and the FRG on the banshee? "Berserker" mode?

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i like that better, but it will be kinda hard, cause it can lead to fumbling with the controller.

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Cool info, If your right ill give you some money!

  • 04.17.2004 3:00 PM PDT

Y button - This, is the tough one. The Y button, when tapped, will bring up your two different weapons, but the new addition is going to be for the dual-weilding. Once I heard that dual-weilding was going to be in the game, I immediately knew how it was going to be put into the button layout; simple hold down Y for about a full second, and WAHBLAM!, two weapons are ready to go.

Have a plasma pistol, go to another laying on the ground, and hold X- it's much easier that way.

  • 04.17.2004 3:03 PM PDT

Also,
Now, I'm not so sure about the up and down buttons, but that can be discussed on it's own...for now.

The up and down buttons could be the "run" buttons.

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the only thing i can't figure out is how bungie is going to do the dual weapons thing. especially with using like a needler and a p. pistol. how are you gonna pick THAT up without accidentally dropping a BR? might take a little getting used to if bungie doesn't supply a tutuorial.

i kinda like he idea of holding the y button down to pull out/put away your 2nd weapon.

my theory is this: you will be able to hold 3 weapons. one two hander gun (the BR) and two smaller, single hand guns (like the Needler or a pistol). when you are on a two hander gun, you can hold down Y to put one gun away or take it out. (still haven't figured out the thing with putting a pistol in the right hand and a p. pistol in the left or something like that.) tap it to switch weapons like normal, and also, when you switch a weapon, and switch back to the dual whatever, it will remember which setting you had out (single 1 hander or dual) and put it the same way.

i just thought of how the left hand right hand thing might work. a table will be in the start menu with all the weapons in the game. you just sort out which waepon will go where,and voila!

here's an example (i'm only going to put a couple of guns):

_________________________________________________
| Left Hand | Right Hand |
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| P. Pistol | Needler |
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| Pistol | SMG |

if this confused anyone let me know.

-Mooman1014

[Edited on 4/17/2004 3:17:50 PM]

  • 04.17.2004 3:07 PM PDT
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Nice layout, but there is still more to add.

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Posted by: Littlebigman174
I like the layout. But what about throwing gernades with the duel-weapons? and the FRG on the banshee? "Berserker" mode?



It has already been said that you cant throw grenades when Dual welding weapons.

  • 04.17.2004 3:09 PM PDT
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oh. sorry than.

  • 04.17.2004 3:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Mooman1014
the on;y thing i can't figure out is how bungie is going to do the dual weapons thing. especially with using like a needler and a p. pistol. how are you gonna pick THAT up without accidentally dropping a BR? might take a little getting used to if buingie doesn't supply a tutuorial.



Have a plasma pistol, go to a needler laying on the ground, and hold X. Simple, no?

  • 04.17.2004 3:11 PM PDT
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Once you have two weapons, you're going to have two weapons. What you're saying Banshee is for when you only have one, or something. I don't really understand what you're saying. I'm talking about when (for example) you have a plasma pistol and a needler. You have only the plasma pistol equipped, now hold Y, and the Needler pops out into your left hand. Like that...

  • 04.17.2004 3:19 PM PDT
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Let's see what the people at 6:13 Pacific Time have to say about this

  • 04.17.2004 6:14 PM PDT

Ok, in the video the guy had three weapons.

Now, with that information, think about what I said before.

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Well, that info would be useful, except that I don't comply with the default setting. I use the Boxer setting where melee and gernade have been switched. That was in response to what the people on the west side have to say. Or in your terms, 6:13 Pacific Standard Time.

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Posted by: MakaVeli4LIfe1
A button - This button likely will not change, and it will be used for jumping. Another possibility for this will be that if you tap it, you won't jump as high as if you held it for a full jump.

B button - Ah yes, the melee button. I can't wait to see what combos are going to be available for bludgeoning Covenant, but I'll try. My guess is that it will remain the melee button (naturally), but will be unique to different combinations of weapons. I'm still trying to figure out how a dual-plasma pistol swing is going to look like...

X button - Again, not much has changed here. It will still be used to open doors, activate switches, etc. Although, this might also be used to pick up the flag, which has both pro's and con's.

Y button - This, is the tough one. The Y button, when tapped, will bring up your two different weapons, but the new addition is going to be for the dual-weilding. Once I heard that dual-weilding was going to be in the game, I immediately knew how it was going to be put into the button layout; simple hold down Y for about a full second, and WAHBLAM!, two weapons are ready to go.

R trigger - Same as usual, this fires your right-handed weapons, and is dedicated exclusively to anything that is in the right hand. Also, look for this to be used somehow when piloting the vehicles in Halo's sequel.

L trigger - Use this for grenades, as well as your second weapon equipped while in 'Beserker' mode (a la Brute Force). I haven't read the GI article yet, but people are telling me that the L trigger is also going to be used as a 'overcharge' in both the Banshee's and Ghosts' engines; I think that works perfectly for what they are trying to do.

Right thumbstick - Same as before. Use this to move your sight around, etc etc. Click in for zooming if the weapon you have has the capabilities.

Left thumbstick - Same as before, again. Although, I would like to see an option in the game where you can click it in once, and have the crouch set, instead of holding it down until you're ready to come up. This should be a user setting, as some people like it the way that it is already. I also have come up with the perfect choice for how to sprint in Halo 2. When holding the thumbstick straight forward, click it in. This will drop your gun, send a signal to those MJLNOIR legs, and push MC into overdrive. I have heard that they want to have it so as when you run for a few seconds, it'll do it automatically. This, I think, is not a very good idea. I can already see the problems coming up about that one (Ah man! I didn't wanna run right there!!)

D-pad - You remember that shiny glob of plastic that sits in the bottom-left of your controller? Yea, that's called the D-pad, and it's definitely going to be used for Halo 2. Click it right, and you'll do a lean to the right, for looking around corners. Same thing with pushing it left. Now, I'm not so sure about the up and down buttons, but that can be discussed on it's own...for now.

Black and White buttons - Should be the same, although I feel that the white button could be held down to bring up a night vision feature for MC, but we'll see.


I personally see the Black button being used for switching guns for the left hand. If you have a one-handed weapon equipped in your right hand pressing the Black button will cycle through your grenades and other one-handed guns. Also you cannot throw grenades while duel weilding. I think this might have been mentioned in OXM a while back but I might of read it somewhere else. It's a tradeoff for duel weilding though, you can't throw genades.

I also want to add that I think X will be used for the sprint move MC can now do. Tap X to reload, hold down X to sprint. It seems like the logical place to put that new move. I also hope they don't do a lean of any kind. If they do one the d-pad is the best place for it but I think it would slow the game down to much and nobody would use it after a while. If they do impliment any kind of leaning they could have it automated. If you're up against a wall and strafe to look around the corner it will stop your legs from moving automatically and just move your upper body and head. If you kept moving your legs would follow and you'd be back in walking/running.

  • 04.17.2004 7:06 PM PDT
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Posted by: Banshee Barron
Ok, in the video the guy had three weapons.

Now, with that information, think about what I said before.


Have you been frustrated about something lately? You seem a little edgy, and I don't really know why...

In the E3 video, a lot of people think that although he had three weapons, it wasn't actually like that in the game. Meaning that you will, in total, have two weapons, and not two small and one large.

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They should classify it by size, having a pistol and a plasma pistol shouldnt be to heavy for the chief to carry.

  • 04.17.2004 8:58 PM PDT
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Phew, it took me a while to find this one

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Posted by: MakaVeli4LIfe1
In the E3 video, a lot of people think that although he had three weapons, it wasn't actually like that in the game. Meaning that you will, in total, have two weapons, and not two small and one large.


I hope you can have more than 2 weapons, because you will be at a huge disadvantage with only needlers or SMGs.


I thank you for finding it. I did not see it last week because I was away.

  • 04.24.2004 11:20 PM PDT
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Yea no problem; I sometimes don't bother to make threads because they disappear too quickly. Even with the extended thread pages, it doesn't usually matter.

  • 04.24.2004 11:36 PM PDT
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Posted by: MakaVeli4LIfe1
Posted by: Banshee Barron
Ok, in the video the guy had three weapons.

Now, with that information, think about what I said before.


Have you been frustrated about something lately? You seem a little edgy, and I don't really know why...

In the E3 video, a lot of people think that although he had three weapons, it wasn't actually like that in the game. Meaning that you will, in total, have two weapons, and not two small and one large.



If you can't have 2 small, and 1 large weapon, I will not buy this game. I'm 100% possitive that you can.

[Edited on 4/25/2004 12:01:35 AM]

  • 04.25.2004 12:00 AM PDT
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I posted this before on another thread, but here goes again. I think of weilding weapons in slots. The Master Chief can carry a total of 2 slots at any given time, and he can only weild 1 slot at any given time. Some weapons take up half a slot, such as the smg, plasma pistol, etc. The 2 handed weapons like the shotgun (cries for dual marathon shotguns), the battle rifle, and the sniper rifle take up a full slot. Now, according to that, the MC could potentially carry 4 guns, which wouldn't be impossible so much as improbable. I'm not sure if Bungie will only let you "split" 1 slot or both of them, but lets assume that you can "split" both. I'm personally inclined to believe that the "switch grenade" black button will play a key role in dual weilding. I think it's irrelevant which hand which gun happens to end up in, since for all we've seen, the MC can weild weapons just as easily with either hand. Also, I think you will only be able to carry any given type of weapon in only one slot, preventing you from carrying 3 or 4 pistols at a time, or the like with other weapons. Now then, you should be able to switch between the individual slots with the y button, while managing the second weapon with the black button. The default secondary weapon will always be the second pistol, smg, etc. that you have in your right hand currently, while pressing the black button again will switch the left hand to other types of weapons. For grenades, you will have to cycle out of the left weapon with the black button. While cumbersome, this will simulate the time it takes to put away the 2nd. gun, creating that balance of using grenades. Anyway, that's my rant. Enjoy, and please, think of your own.

  • 04.25.2004 12:22 AM PDT

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Hey it would have the same problem with HAL0 1 no reloads in vehicles.

  • 04.25.2004 1:14 AM PDT

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